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If we framed it as for a book that would embarrass and humiliate the Cult of Sigmar we could probably just ask Melkhior for the relevant journals. He strikes me as that kind of petty.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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My point is I don't expect it will antagonize the rest of them, that seems to be selling Tindomiel's ability to navigate relationships they've been mantaining for thousands of years very short. If it was over the line they wouldn't do it. They'd lose more than they would gain. There's a limit other power players will accept and I expect Tindomiel will stay within that limit.
Since we already reached for Tindomiel, I say we grab an heir and let Elves sort themselves out. I don't see other houses line up to support our project either way.
As for Hedgewise, I would like to get them some recognition as a group without antagonizing anyone who would trigger over their name.
[x] [HOUSE] Yes
[x] Plan: Just the Heir
- [x] [SCOPE] Laurelorn (0)
- [x] [REP] Heir (-1)
- [x] [FORM] Shrines (+1)
[x] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
As for Hedgewise, I would like to get them some recognition as a group without antagonizing anyone who would trigger over their name.
[x] [HOUSE] Yes
[x] Plan: Just the Heir
- [x] [SCOPE] Laurelorn (0)
- [x] [REP] Heir (-1)
- [x] [FORM] Shrines (+1)
[x] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
True. Not a single Hoeth house voted for contact, though. One Hekarti house did vote for contact, and it was Tindomiel. I don't think any other house that voted for contact with the Empire would have a claim to the Waystones.
EDIT: Orodreth, maybe? Lileath kind of has a thing of magic, sort of? But I think they would have been mentioned in the list of Houses Mathilde gave us if that were the case.
Anyway, I feel like going for just the heir is probably fine. We'll give them some political power, and that could definitely make future work with some Houses problematic, but it's also a good message to send: if you play ball with the Empire you'll get something out of it.
[X] [HOUSE] Yes
[X] Plan: Just the Heir
[X] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
[X] [HEDGEWISE] Secretly
I think working with the Hedgewise openly is probably not a great idea, but both of the others are fine. If I had to choose one I would choose secretly, but thankfully approval voting is a thing.
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I'm surprised by the gut anger that the house wants something in return for their Labour: all the house are going to be the same.
Like, they really are the only ones with the raw numbers of magical Labours to do Waystones all over the old world. (Or at least the empire)
If we don't get them on board at least for the forest, we will likely have to slink back to them later for a even worse deal.
Like, they really are the only ones with the raw numbers of magical Labours to do Waystones all over the old world. (Or at least the empire)
If we don't get them on board at least for the forest, we will likely have to slink back to them later for a even worse deal.
[JK] LIBRARY: Seek an exchange arrangement with another Library to be able to make copies of their corpus (Tower of Melkhior)
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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Fantastic update, it's nice to see immediate results on the Father side of the coin.
[X] [HOUSE] Yes
[X] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
[X] [HEDGEWISE] Secretly
I'm torn on which plan to go with. I'm leaning towards "how many people can actually read elf anyways", because a magical theorist helping out in the framework would be great, but I can be talked out of it. Worst case scenario, we're giving Tindomiel a lot of political power and access through the Empire. Best case scenario, we're making powerful allies invested in us, since part of the stated goal of the Project is making connections with Laurelorn.
[X] Plan how many people can actually read elf anyways?
-[X] [SCOPE] The Empire (+2)
-[X] [REP] Magical Theorist (-2)
-[X] [FORM] Dedication (0)
[X] Plan Discretion Is The Watchword
[X] [HOUSE] Yes
[X] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
[X] [HEDGEWISE] Secretly
I'm torn on which plan to go with. I'm leaning towards "how many people can actually read elf anyways", because a magical theorist helping out in the framework would be great, but I can be talked out of it. Worst case scenario, we're giving Tindomiel a lot of political power and access through the Empire. Best case scenario, we're making powerful allies invested in us, since part of the stated goal of the Project is making connections with Laurelorn.
[X] Plan how many people can actually read elf anyways?
-[X] [SCOPE] The Empire (+2)
-[X] [REP] Magical Theorist (-2)
-[X] [FORM] Dedication (0)
[X] Plan Discretion Is The Watchword
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[x] [HOUSE] Yes
[x] Plan: Just the Heir
- [x] [SCOPE] Laurelorn (0)
- [x] [REP] Heir (-1)
- [x] [FORM] Shrines (+1)
[x] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
[x] Plan: Just the Heir
- [x] [SCOPE] Laurelorn (0)
- [x] [REP] Heir (-1)
- [x] [FORM] Shrines (+1)
[x] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
Well, for me it's not about "Greedy Elves want payment", it is more about that they want things we can't promise without consequences. Especially concerning countries outside of the Empire. Adding to that, we don't actually know if dedicating Waystone will do anything. I don't want to suddenly realize that we are empowering Hecarte with every new stone.
deathofrats0808
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Nobody is going to accept a Grey Wizard providing proof stolen from a Vampire about witches.
Be kind of embarrassing if they showed it's the Hedgewise who have the story wrong, of course. It's an oral history from a long, long time ago. How much do you trust it?
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To the empire? More than the mad rantings of a vampire.
There's a sliding scale of shit, and witches are higher than vampires on it.
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I'm not angry, and it was obvious from the get go they would ask for something in exchange. It's the specific things they're asking that bothers me.
An accord would give them a massive influence boost, and we don't know enough about their agenda. It would force us to ask them to make the waystones. Dedicating the Waystones or making them shrines could potentially empower Hekarti, and putting those consecrated bits in other countries doesn't look like a great idea.
for me it isn't anger it is that if you take this deal there is no expiration date and no way out so if we found at that they have massively screwed us we have no way of changing the terms we are stuck with a bad deal for the rest of time.
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More than I trust the Cult of Sigmar at least.
What stops Mathilde from just reneging on the deal if it turns out there's some hidden massive downside?
K von Carstein
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We would be trying to convince said Cult and most of the Empire if we want to use that information. The Hedgewise aren't a credible source for those entities.
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Wouldn't most people's opinion be « well, should have think more about the consequences, sucker »? Wouldn't it be bad for our reputation?
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I'm going to assume that Tindomiel are not going to sabotage their relations with their fellow major houses, not sabotage relations with the Empire they voted to open diplomatic channels with, and are not going to sabotage the waystone project, just to extend their religious influence by building some shrines.
Unless they've gone full evil overlord and are trying to usurp the waystone network for global domination, there is no reason for them to be excessively antagonistic towards multiple groups they have to live side by side with, some of whom they do so for mutual protection.
Unless they've gone full evil overlord and are trying to usurp the waystone network for global domination, there is no reason for them to be excessively antagonistic towards multiple groups they have to live side by side with, some of whom they do so for mutual protection.
I would guess that the other Einor would then see us as untrustworthy and they wont trade or help us anymore. I had not even considered that the Einor is most likely are as fractured as humans and not banding together as tightly as dwarfs
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That's why we'd need to scour for information and any kind of evidence, but it could do a great deal of good for both the Hedgewise and the Colleges to be able to say 'actually Sigmar was okay with mages, that was you lying'. Like, incredible good, that would also synergise with WIZARD-EMPEROR MANFRED.
Consider that the point balance is also information. He could have sent his heir to make connections for some relatively inoffensive price such as Dedication across Laurelorn but the current offer just seems greedy.