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That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation

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CyberEnby said:
America has the special mechanic where they can just... spend money to boost rolls.

Literally pay to win. :p
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Themarineguy said:
Ah yes. IRL their winning Strat was to literally spend the USSR into oblivion.
Deficit Spending FOR THE WIN:V:V
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Yeah, I believe I brought up the idea that that america could just literally choose more options than stated by 'buying' them, but
Cyberphilosipher said:
…Actually I'm personally going for the more insane an idea the more likely it will work.
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@Cyberphilosipher had the idea that that america had really lopsided lucks for all their rolls (either insanely good or bad). And then he started rolling for some random stuff, and that's how he got that internet roll.

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CyberEnby said:
Wait is the NegaVerse stuff canon? I'm confused about how this quest is structured. 😅
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I think @HeroCooky offered to make one thing from the negaverse canon. (I think this is the standard reward for omakes, unless I am misremembering rewards)
HeroCooky said:
:rofl:

Thats some bullshit level rolls right there!

[] De-escalation Of Nations
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But yeah, we've introduced too much bullshit in the name of funny negaverse shenanigans, so I think @Cyberphilosipher wants the internet discovery to be the one canon detail taken from all of this.

Although, I will point out that we also got the weisoft while researching our mecha, so at this point, it kinda just looks like proto-internet is a requirement to get mechs to work. It will be funny if some countries, like USSR, can't get started on building the massive war machines we call mechs because they don't understand cat videos how to make an internet
 
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Weisoft is actually even bigger than our mecha because it sounds like the underlying electronics are on par with the USA's? If that's the case then we can trade it to the USSR so they can implement CyberSyn central planning and... probably prevent a LOT of their economic troubles if they do it fast enough?

I'm thinking we do a trade deal where we exchange Weisoft for USSR rocket engines (which are arguably better than US ones in some ways).
We might follow that up with offering the USSR space for a Cosmodrome - our island is way closer to the equator and the eastern airways are totally clear and have only ocean underneath.
 
CyberEnby said:
Weisoft is actually even bigger than our mecha because it sounds like the underlying electronics are on par with the USA's? If that's the case then we can trade it to the USSR so they can implement CyberSyn central planning and... probably prevent a LOT of their economic troubles if they do it fast enough?

I'm thinking we do a trade deal where we exchange Weisoft for USSR rocket engines (which are arguably better than US ones in some ways).
We might follow that up with offering the USSR space for a Cosmodrome - our island is way closer to the equator and the eastern airways are totally clear and have only ocean underneath.
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And perhaps sparking a purge wave due to the massive amount of corruption such a thing could unearth. Like over-reporting factories?
Cause from what I understand, that kind of happened, because not meeting projections tend to be hazardous to ones health, since 'only wreckers can be responsible for failure'...
 
Themarineguy said:
And perhaps sparking a purge wave due to the massive amount of corruption such a thing could unearth. Like over-reporting factories?
Cause from what I understand, that kind of happened, because not meeting projections tend to be hazardous to ones health, since 'only wreckers can be responsible for failure'...
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Yeah, it was a shit show in a lot of ways. Hopefully things don't get too dark through - CyberSyn should also be able to point out where the central planners were fucking up and making impossible demands.
 
Don't forget, we have to vote for our Carrier plans at the same time as the flag. Everyone who just voted for a design and nothing else just lost their votes. Also @Anon500 your Negaverse is showing up in the tally, so you might want to keep that in mind for the future.

[X] Plan: Fines and Photos
-[X] send a message asking for the Americans to please come pick up their boat.
-[X] The nation's littering laws are currently not suitable for the situation at hand. Pass a new law to allow for a suitable littering fine.
-[X] get a field hospital, field kitchen and tent shelters going to help the American sailors, issue orders to our people they they are NOT prisoners but don't let let them wander off.
-[X] Talk to the embassies of the US and China while getting ahead of the media so that our story is the one that hits the news first. Both to make sure that there will be no problems with the Chinese government, and to get ahead of the capitalist propaganda sure to try to paint Guangcho in the worst light possible.
-[X] set up an impromptu immigration and customs post in case any sailors do want to leave and go into town or something.
-[X] Extend a line of credit to the sailors for the duration of their stay. Bill their government the difference afterwards.
-[X] Get our UN diplomat to publicize that the sailors are not being held prisoner, nor are medical care, food or shelter being withheld from them, and that talks are ongoing with the United States.
-[X] See what information and pictures we can surreptitiously get of the Iwo Jima and it's planes. Taking anything physical off the ship itself is unlikely to be feasible with the amount of observation it's going to be under, but a few photos from a reporter on the ground with a camera shouldn't be too out of the ordinary given what happened. Maybe we can get some shots of the deck from a camera carried by someone in one of our fertilizer planes doing their runs as long as they aren't flying too close. The US would probably be more suspicious if we weren't showing some level of interest in the carrier that landed in our lap anyway.

[X] Black and Blue Bars

Pretty much the same as my previous vote, but I added stuff about our UN diplomat like the QM asked, and with the info of the CIA wary of us for being too quiet, combined with people wanting to take stuff from the carrier, I decided to add the last part then made it a plan because it was getting kind of long.

I still think that getting stuff off the carrier is going to be a non-starter with how many eyes are going to be on it, but the CIA may well become more paranoid if we completely ignore the wealth of information that got dumped in our lap literally. So let's get what info we can and let them see what they expect to see, and hopefully do it in a way that doesn't push tensions higher than they already are.

Anon500 said:
I feel like you got both the looking forward option and the looking back one. I prefer emphasize our history as a defensive nut peaceful nation with the turtle symbolism, and I think the color scheme really sells our communist ideals. It contains almost everything I want on our flag.
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Eh, I'm not seeing the symbolism really. Guangcho isn't anarcho-communist by any stretch of the imagination, which makes the background feel off to me. I also can't recall any Communist symbols that are turtles, being "bombed into the stone age" doesn't sound like we were able to defend against it well even if we foiled a naval invasion, and the violent revolution + executions combined with the CIA being spooked by our lack of saber rattling I don't think "peaceful" is a word most use to describe us.
 
CyberEnby said:
Weisoft is actually even bigger than our mecha because it sounds like the underlying electronics are on par with the USA's? If that's the case then we can trade it to the USSR so they can implement CyberSyn central planning and... probably prevent a LOT of their economic troubles if they do it fast enough?

I'm thinking we do a trade deal where we exchange Weisoft for USSR rocket engines (which are arguably better than US ones in some ways).
We might follow that up with offering the USSR space for a Cosmodrome - our island is way closer to the equator and the eastern airways are totally clear and have only ocean underneath.
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*blinks*

.... Wait

*blinks again*

Did you just fucking figure out a way for us to get a space program?!?!

We just figured out we wanted to reach for the stars, and you've got an actionable plan we could implement right now....

I thought we'd have to through years of rocket tests. This is extremely doable. We could totally use this whole kerfluffle to contact the kremlin and try and negotiate this trade (while we are also asking them to help us deescalate this carrier situation).

edit: turtle symbolism was more something I imagined would probably be a cultural symbol, rather than anything to do communism. I wanted to have at least one thing that wasn't directly tied to traditional communist symbols so that we retained a bit of our own cultural identity. You do have a point about the other stuff, although I still like that flag a lot (and would be voting for it, if my negaverse post doesn't screw things up)
 
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Anon500 said:
*blinks*

.... Wait

*blinks again*

Did you just fucking figure out a way for us to get a space program?!?!

We just figured out we wanted to reach for the stars, and you've got an actionable plan we could implement right now....

I thought we'd have to through years of rocket tests. This is extremely doable. We could totally use this whole kerfluffle to contact the kremlin and try and negotiate this trade (while we are also asking them to help us deescalate this carrier situation).
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I mean, we probably do want to develop Soviet engines a bit - I'd love to add some sort of snap-covers to the engine bells so they can land directly in the ocean without salt water fucking up the internals.

We can't do SpaceX deadstick landings on a ship, but a water landing of a reusable 1st stage should be doable with with enough investment and Soviet experts transfered to us.
 
Anon500 said:
edit: turtle symbolism was more something I imagined would probably be a cultural symbol, rather than anything to do communism. I wanted to have at least one thing that wasn't directly tied to traditional communist symbols so that we retained a bit of our own cultural identity. You do have a point about the other stuff, although I still like that flag a lot (and would be voting for it, if my negaverse post doesn't screw things up)
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Given that we had to shut down the "re-education" camps in our first speech, I am fairly certain that our father tried to rid off all the remaining cultural identity from before his ascent Cultural Revolution style.

Edit: If we were making this flag now I could see it. with us not running the camps like that and with the history of the Japanse bombing happening before the flag was designed, but this was a flag made by our father and his backers that we the players are deciding retroactively.
 
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Themarineguy said:
Guangchou Threat Assesment
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[] De-Escalation
[] +2 to any Military Action
[] +2 to Counter-Intelligence/Propaganda Actions
Anon500 said:
AMERICA AD ASTARTE: An American Cold War Quest! Researching Mechs
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[] De-Escalation
[] American Mech Cooperation
CyberEnby said:
Wait is the NegaVerse stuff canon? I'm confused about how this quest is structured. 😅
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It isn't canon. Sidestories are either done via a bounty system (write about a topic I give you for a pre-determined bonus) or free-form. (Write about what you want, bonuses are assigned as deemed appropiate.)
 
Hey guys I just had an idea for international rep: devlop a Search and rescue/disaster relief mech then run international disaster assistance force that will help any nation that they can get that let's them.

We can show off our mech technology in a way the Americans have to grin and bare.
 
HeroCooky said:
[] De-Escalation
[] American Mech Cooperation

It isn't canon. Sidestories are either done via a bounty system (write about a topic I give you for a pre-determined bonus) or free-form. (Write about what you want, bonuses are assigned as deemed appropiate.)
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Hmmm....
I think I'll have to choose de-escalation here. @HeroCooky, is it possible for this because the various american/western parties aren't communicating with each other properly (like the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing)? To be clear, I know you won't do the whole situation we outlined with the CIA retrieving nuclear bombs that we did in the omake, but I think it would be interesting/funny if the parties weren't all aligned in what they were trying to negotiate for. Like the american diplomat believes getting the sailors back is the priority, his militar advisor is under strict instructions that they must get the ship back at all costs, and then the cia agent hidden within the diplomat's party has a mission to retrieve or burn some specific intel inside the ship... And then when negotiations start, they keep getting in the way of each other. To the point were they kind of all understand that we are in no way the real problem here.

I don't know, I think its a funny idea that you could implement with this choice. Although how you implement this is ultimately up to you. If you have existing plans for how de-escalation will work, that's still fine. I'm ultimately choosing this because wow, do I not want more eyes on our country right now.
[X] De-Escalation

Silversun17 said:
Hey guys I just had an idea for international rep: devlop a Search and rescue/disaster relief mech then run international disaster assistance force that will help any nation that they can get that let's them.

We can show off our mech technology in a way the Americans have to grin and bare.
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So, I definitely want to follow up on this idea in the future. I know I didn't choose american mech cooperation but that's mainly because its american mech cooperation. If the Chinese or Soviets find out, We'll be instantly branded as traitors. If we could somehow have our first mech cooperation outside of other communist countries be with the UN as an organization, we might be able to get away with it without pissing off china too much. Unless someone else has some other ideas about start mech cooperation with other countries, I think we leave this idea as a future plan (perhaps for when we enter the UN?)
 
Anon500 said:
Hmmm....
I think I'll have to choose de-escalation here. @HeroCooky, is it possible for this because the various american/western parties aren't communicating with each other properly (like the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing)? To be clear, I know you won't do the whole situation we outlined with the CIA retrieving nuclear bombs that we did in the omake, but I think it would be interesting/funny if the parties weren't all aligned in what they were trying to negotiate for. Like the american diplomat believes getting the sailors back is the priority, his militar advisor is under strict instructions that they must get the ship back at all costs, and then the cia agent hidden within the diplomat's party has a mission to retrieve or burn some specific intel inside the ship... And then when negotiations start, they keep getting in the way of each other. To the point were they kind of all understand that we are in no way the real problem here.

I don't know, I think its a funny idea that you could implement with this choice. Although how you implement this is ultimately up to you. If you have existing plans for how de-escalation will work, that's still fine. I'm ultimately choosing this because wow, do I not want more eyes on our country right now.
[X] De-Escalation



So, I definitely want to follow up on this idea in the future. I know I didn't choose american mech cooperation but that's mainly because its american mech cooperation. If the Chinese or Soviets find out, We'll be instantly branded as traitors. If we could somehow have our first mech cooperation outside of other communist countries be with the UN as an organization, we might be able to get away with it without pissing off china too much. Unless someone else has some other ideas about start mech cooperation with other countries, I think we leave this idea as a future plan (perhaps for when we enter the UN?)
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SAR is kind of a vanity project through and I'm not sure that's the best use of our resources at this point in time.
I feel like we'd be better served making civilian mechs to export to other communists countries?

Edit: More broadly I'd like to court the USSR and move us a bit further out from under China's umbrella. Maybe set us up as a middle ground between the two on the matter of the Sino-Soviet split: Like China we don't believe peaceful coexistence with the west is possible long term, but like the Soviets we want to avoid nuclear war. Thus our position is that we need cooperation among non-capitalist countries, a strong defensive military, and an offensive strategy based on economic, scientific, and cultural success that can be used to propagandize to our opponent's populations.
 
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CyberEnby said:
SAR is kind of a vanity project through and I'm not sure that's the best use of our resources at this point in time.
I feel like we'd be better served making civilian mechs to export to other communists countries?

Edit: More broadly I'd like to court the USSR and move us a bit further out from under China's umbrella. Maybe set us up as a middle ground between the two on the matter of the Sino-Soviet split: Like China we don't believe peaceful coexistence with the west is possible long term, but like the Soviets we want to avoid nuclear war. Thus our position is that we need cooperation among non-capitalist countries, a strong defensive military, and an offensive strategy based on economic, scientific, and cultural success that can be used to propagandize to our opponent's populations.
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So I want us making some kind of civilian mech for export. SAR seems like a good idea, especially since it will generate its own marketing. I can see other types of heavy Industry civilian mechs though (Construction and Mining immediately come to mind) .

I do agree we do need to be able to get out from the Chinese umbrella a little bit though. I thought your space program trade idea was one valid avenue, but in general I hope we can start edging towards a more neutral stance in this cold war. For now though, I think you have it right, the priority is getting out from under china. Perhaps we could try and follow Russia's lead if this situation escalates to the UN? And perhaps first civilian models can be exported to Russia (and China) as perhaps a flag that we would be interested in more Soviet support rather than

The other big thing we could offer the Soviets is another warm water port for their navy. However, that will probably escalate tensions, so I am wary of trying that. We don't need american pressure + spies because now Soviet subs can dock in our ports (Which the russians probably help renovate, in this scenario).

I do want to want to stick that last line somewhere in a threadmark post, or an informational. Honestly, that position really is the one we should be pursuing.
 
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Anon500 said:
So I want us making some kind of civilian mech for export. SAR seems like a good idea, especially since it will generate its own marketing. I can see other types of heavy Industry civilian mechs though (Construction and Mining immediately come to mind) .

I do agree we do need to be able to get out from the Chinese umbrella a little bit though. I thought your space program trade idea was one valid avenue, but in general I hope we can start edging towards a more neutral stance in this cold war. For now though, I think you have it right, the priority is getting out from under china
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What we really need is teachers, we're doing well on achieving our plan goals in terms of agriculture, but setting up the agricultural and maricultural research institutes wiped out our reserve of educated professionals which we need for the education part of the plan.
I really want some kind of immigration treaty with China and the USSR - gay liberation means we can attract queer professionals fleeing persecution. I hope that as conditions improve over time some of them will return to their homelands and bring back what they've learned to kick-start social reform (after all, it's not like queer people are going to stop being born in the USSR or the PRC).
 
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CyberEnby said:
What we really need is teachers, were doing well on achieving our plan goals in terms of agriculture, but setting up the agricultural and maricultural research institutes wiped out our reserve of educated professionals which we need for the education part of the plan.
I really want some kind of immigration treaty with China and the USSR - gay liberation means we can attract queer professionals fleeing persecution. I hope that as conditions improve over time some of them will return to their homelands and bring back what they've learned to kick-start social reform (after all, it's not like queer people are going to stop being born in the USSR or the PRC).
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Yes, definitely yes!

teacher's would be very nice. I kind of forgot that whole issue with the whole carrier incident and the mechs. We really need a bigger pool of educated professionals. Its frustrating that we don't have nearly enough people to get even our basic needs down (food + education + mechs; the three basic needs)

I mean, we probably will already get some press for our LGBTQ rights if this event escalates even a little bit. It would be really nice to turn that into some actionable immigration. We could really kick off a large immigration wave if we advertise our society's LGBTQ right's during mediation for the carrier crisis, and negotiate an immigration treaty with USSR and PRC in the background. And if people hear about immigration to our country after all this, it will only encourage more immigration in a snowball effect, as we kind of gain a sort of trustworthiness by proxy (because why would people immigrate if we had nothing to offer). It would be a nice way to turn this crisis to our advantage.
 
HeroCooky said:
Moderately better than OTL. Which is still yikes.
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Yikes is expected....Brezhnev was not known for his...better decisions for a reason.

Did sign the Salt Treaties though so we had to calm down a little about all the Nukes in the world.

Among a few other good decisions made.

Still not Khruschev's semi-decent reform period.
 
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HeroCooky said:
More like: "Mmmmh, yes. Food." They simply got more/more diverse stuff to eat, and as such have increased productivity.
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Not much of an improvement compared to what they did OTL, but at least they're starting to focus on that.

Diverse foods help with not only culinary creativity but also improve the diet just by having more options to increase calorie intake.
 
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