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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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We really should put more priority on coding Rite of Way.

while no one else will be able to use it like we do, it totally changes the game when it comes up.

being able to march a elite force of 500 or so is just... you cant plan for that on the other side.

its metaphorically (and sometimes literally with Kislav) the 'surprise bears!' of grand strategy.
 
The missing leyline doesn't interest me tbh. Its not really relevant to like... actually doing something with waystones? Like knowing which ones are clogged up is only really useful when you are fixing the clog.

But thats not what our goal with the project is. It doesn't really seem useful. Unless i am mistaken about how many waystones we have in selection for experimenting upon, i suppose.

But it still doesn't feel necessarily relevant to anything we are actually doing.
 
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[X] Bring in the Kreml Guard
[X] Find the Boyar

The previous mention of the Four paying this situation attention, combined with the mention about Athel Loren sometimes striking out threats the Empire was unaware of, makes me think we should find out why exactly are they targetting some random Boyar.
 
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pucflek said:
The missing leyline doesn't interest me tbh. Its not really relevant to like... actually doing something with waystones? Like knowing which ones are clogged up is only really useful when you are fixing the clog.

But thats not what our goal with the project is. It doesn't really seem useful.
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I would argue that it is part of the goal, they have only gotten as 'cloged up' as they have because there's been no stable looking after them.

'matinince' is just as important as 'fixing', heck, its the first step to fixing.

if successful, the 'waystone project' will be transitioned into the 'waystone protection group.' (tho probably not headed by mathy.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I would argue that it is part of the goal, they have only gotten as 'cloged up' as they have because there's been no stable looking after them.

'matinince' is just as important as 'fixing', heck, its the first step to fixing.

if successful, the 'waystone project' will be transitioned into the 'waystone protection group.' (tho probably not headed by mathy.
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I agree that it is certainly part of our long term goal, but I am not sure how relevant it is to the current issue, that being 'army of murder trees on the march'.
 
[x] Bring in the Kreml Guard
[x] Investigate the missing leyline

This seems ideal as it both brings in the heir and some needed quality infantry for the forest fighting, as well as taking a look at the waystone hunch that's needed given any magical rituals cast by Athel Loren with this power and their expertise will be very notable.

Not choosing the Boyar option may also be a good thing as he'll be left in the dark longer if this is in fact a means to draw him out. If we need to investigate him it may he better to have Royal approval in this matter, given Marhilde should be far more limited in her operations than when in the Empire.
 
pucflek said:
The missing leyline doesn't interest me tbh. Its not really relevant to like... actually doing something with waystones? Like knowing which ones are clogged up is only really useful when you are fixing the clog.

But thats not what our goal with the project is. It doesn't really seem useful. Unless i am mistaken about how many waystones we have in selection for experimenting upon, i suppose.

But it still doesn't feel necessarily relevant to anything we are actually doing.
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The concern is if it's not clogged/otherwise stopped.

If the energy continues down, then that means there's something in the forest feeding in it. Something we might be about to throw hands with.
 
Alratan said:
It's a map of Alcadizaar the Conqueror's realm. It shows who conquered what which you can cross reference:

For example we know the Legion of Setep's further conquests happened under Alcadizaar the Conqueror's command towards the end of his reign, which is around -1,150 IC, during the fifty years after this map. That's when the future Vlad con Carstein first went to Sylvania, as a legionary of Setep.
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Okay, that puts Nehekhara as pushing through Black Fire Pass specifically in the -1100s. I suppose it could be argued that Nehekhara did a speedrun conquer of a thousand miles of greenskin-infested badlands plus half of the Dark Lands to get to that starting point only after the Dwarves met the Empire's ancestors. It doesn't seem all that credible to me, but I don't think it's explicitly disproven anywhere. But that map raises another really good point: that Zandri, which we know dates all the way back to the start because it is recorded as having rebelled against Settra's son, was spitting fleets out into the mouth of the Black Gulf for at least a thousand years before the Empire's ancestors showed up. It would take an utterly baffling amount of blindness on Barak Varr's part to fail to have noticed a thousand years of Zandri and five centuries of Araby right on their front yard.

And again, I guess it could be argued that maybe these coastal city-states just... didn't do boats for literally centuries, waiting patiently until the Empire met the Dwarves and yelled 'first!' Again, I don't think that's explicitly disproven anywhere. But if we're weighing all this timeline contortion against the possibility that an Empire historian downplayed the extent of non-Empire civilizations to better fit the national myth...

And while I'm at it, in Children of the Horned Rat there's the Dwarven version of the events of Tylos that is translated by a Dwarf, and no Elves were mentioned in it.
 
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Hrm. @Boney would the suggestion that's been floated of having Johann try and handle one of these tasks (most likely waystone investigation) while we address others be viable? In particular, if we're getting up to something in the right direction (e.g. Ice Witch recruitment) then we'd still be able to travel together for a substantial part of the trip.
 
Mopman43 said:
The concern is if it's not clogged/otherwise stopped.

If the energy continues down, then that means there's something in the forest feeding in it. Something we might be about to throw hands with.
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The thing is, if true... what do we do about it? It's not like we would have time to travel down the Mordheim and break the flow to them there.

Personally the reason I was down for Waystone action at first was that I thought we would be going in the woods potentially find a hijacked stone and do something about it. If we just get confirmation that it has been messed with that changes nothing, we still need to fight the host of Athel Loren, stone or no.
 
Wiadi said:
Hrm. @Boney would the suggestion that's been floated of having Johann try and handle one of these tasks (most likely waystone investigation) while we address others be viable? In particular, if we're getting up to something in the right direction (e.g. Ice Witch recruitment) then we'd still be able to travel together for a substantial part of the trip.
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Ice Witches will react catastrophically badly to a male magic-user that appears to be trying to pry into Ice Witch secrets, and Ice Witch secrets is one possible cause of Kislev's Waystones not doing what Mathilde expects them to be doing.
 
So... A thought occurs...

I don't know if anyone has commented about it and apologize if it was brought up but…

I was thinking about what the wood elfs could possibly want with Kislev and, okay, there is the Waystone and all but… what if they are trying to go some other place and Kislev is just on the way?

More specifically: what if the wood elfs are trying to go to Karag Dum because they know of Morghur being there?
 
Magnos III said:
So... A thought occurs...

I don't know if anyone has commented about it and apologize if it was brought up but…

I was thinking about what the wood elfs could possibly want with Kislev and, okay, there is the Waystone and all but… what if they are trying to go some other place and Kislev is just on the way?

More specifically: what if the wood elfs are trying to go to Karag Dum because they know of Morghur being there?
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And they just decided to set up this trap so they're all warmed up for when they arrive?
 
Boney said:
Ice Witches will react catastrophically badly to a male magic-user that appears to be trying to pry into Ice Witch secrets, and Ice Witch secrets is one possible cause of Kislev's Waystones not doing what Mathilde expects them to be doing.
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Yeah that was pretty much my thought when I first thought of the idea, maybe, maybe this could have been viable if we had brought another female magister with us, but not a man. Too many hot buttons.

It is a pity we do not have Panoramia with us, but then she is not even part of the Project, much less Web-Mat.
 
DragonParadox said:
The thing is, if true... what do we do about it? It's not like we would have time to travel down the Mordheim and break the flow to them there.

Personally the reason I was down for Waystone action at first was that I thought we would be going in the woods potentially find a hijacked stone and do something about it. If we just get confirmation that it has been messed with that changes nothing, we still need to fight the host of Athel Loren, stone or no.
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Mordheim doesn't send any energy to Kislev's Waystones.

Like, it never did, but it especially doesn't now, given that the flow from Mordheim to the Nexus in Ostermark was cut off.

I'd like to get an idea if we're in the middle of something very big here.
 
[X] Bring in the Kreml Guard

[X] Investigate the missing leyline

An option for the battle and another for us with maybe a dubious weight on the current plot.

I vote leyline because this is divided loyalties and one the the reasons some people voted to help kislev was so we can get something for our project.
Yes it was supposed to be goodwill for future cooperation but I see no reason why not start now.
Also, knowing if our enemies are using said energy sounds important.
 
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