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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Boney said:
You spend the rest of the day trying and failing to find a way to expand that single sentence into something that justifies an entire paper on the subject, and eventually conclude that you might be able to accomplish it if you're able to personally witness the effect the charge has on sufficiently varied foes.
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This is very funny to me, insofar as it definitely reads like we have trained Boney that any sort of in-any-way-weird phenomenon will have people asking if we can write a paper about it, and this is being headed off at the pass.
Boney said:
The salt mine within is where the convicted criminals of Kislev City are sent and many of which never emerge from
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"and many of which never emerge from" reads oddly to me. Perhaps it reads fine to you, in which case ignore me, but I'd personally do something like "and from which many never emerge."
Boney said:
Enemy's march on Kislev's soil.
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Enemy's -> Enemies

Argh this is a hard vote. So many of these things are useful or, worse, potentially useful, and we don't have time for everything. I think I will prioritize firepower and motivation, though.

[X] Bring in the Kreml Guard
Tsarevich Boris is leading the Kreml Guard, but they are travelling on foot on a dirt road and may not arrive in time for the battle. Kislev's forces actually having infantry would be helpful for a battle in a forest. Use Rite of Way to speed their journey.
[X] Find the Boyar
For some reason, the Athel Loren forces seem to be trying to lure in Boyar Kalashinivik and his rota. Boyar Kalashinivik should be somewhere on the road between Praag and Kislev. Intercept him and see if you can figure out what this is all about.

EDIT: Approval vote for magical firepower
[X] Bring in Ice Witches
 
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[x] Bring in the Kreml Guard
[x] Investigate the missing leyline

If nothing else, these two actions are in the same area, should hopefully save some time.
 
[X] Bring in the Kreml Guard
[X] Bring in Ice Witches

While it's not impossible the Boyar knows something relevant I have to say it seems to me like a pretty long shot, it relies on there being:
1. The actual cause being related to him.
2. Him finding whatever event prompted that cause notable enough to list it when we ask him if anything weird happened.
3. Us being able to pick the right anomaly from however many he has and make a solid connection between it and the Athel Loren host that gives us useful insight.

I'd rather nail down some more guaranteed benefits first.
 
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Poking the elves/dryads would be interesting and instructive but might get us killed. And would be of rather less practical value than against greenskins or skaven.

Having more Ice Witches, particularly ones that can speak a language we speak, would be most useful for building Ice Witch rep.
Having infantry would also be great. And is an opportunity to show off our Battle Logistic-Spell.

I'm against messing with the layline, at least in this first vote, because we know too little about what normal conditions are to say if anything odd is happening. And because messing with laylines and Waystones can be very dangerous.
If we bring in the Ice Witches, aka the local layline experts, we can think about doing something productive.

[X] Bring in the Kreml Guard
[X] Bring in Ice Witches
 
[X] Bring in the Kreml Guard

Given my suspicions that the ice witches may find their magic working less then 100% I think I am going to go with the infantry, boring perhaps, but boring often wins battles.
 
@Boney Thank you for the excellent update. It's appropriately suspenseful, informative, sets up the atmosphere and not only sets up the current situation but develops Kislev as a setting. I think you did a good job navigating communication with people who don't know each other's language without making it inconvenient. This update surpassed all my expectations for what I thought would be setup. It was quite engaging and exciting. An analysis post should come up within the next few hours.

[X] Bring in the Kreml Guard
 
Alratan said:
IIRC Heirs to Sigmar also mentions when first contact when dwarves and humans occurred, and I think there are some other references about the first humans who inhabited Tilea coming after the elves and learning from abandoned elven ruins post-War of the Beard.

It's not just about humans in Tilea, but humans sharing a city with dwarves in Tilea before the Karaz Ankor had encountered humans for the first time.
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It's in Tome of Salvation, and while It is incredibly easy to read it like that, it does say 'Dwarfs undoubtedly encountered Humans many times before in the south'. Nehekhara was 1500 years old at the time of that meeting, and at one point its borders reached as far north as modern Averland, so its territory would have come right between Barak Varr and Karaz-a-Karak. Araby had been around for 500 years and had evicted the Elves from their shores right at the start of the War of the Beard. That recorded meeting is just given extra significance by the men of the Empire because it's the first time their ancestors encountered the Dwarves.
 
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Mopman43 said:
Settra conquered up to the Black Mountains, it's not possible for that to have been the first actual meeting between Men and Dwarfs.

Just between the tribes that would go on to form the Empire.
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Settra didn't, I believe, although that's a horrible thing to say about such a modest man. There are better attestations that Amenemhetum the Great of Zandhri did around -1,200 IC and Alcadazziar conquered up into Averland in -1,150.

Both of these are well after the dwarves apparently encountered the Belthani in 1,500 IC.

The problem is that Settra, according to is hagiography, ruled everything south of the Black Mountains from -2,460 IC to -2,000 IC. There was also apparently an elven city ruled by a dragon rider in the middle of the Badlands called Oreragar, and elven and hill dwarf settlements there.

Basically, the legendary history of Settra is pretty incompatible with the records of history as we know it. The way I'd reconcile that is to say that his legend grew in the telling.
 
If this were any other land I would be tempted to send Johann to look at that Waystone, he is certainly a powerful enough combatant than I would not worry about him getting ambushed and as shown in this arc he has pretty good learning besides, but this is Kislev. I do not think the tolerance of the Ice Witches stretches for male wizards poking their ice magic stones.
 
Boney said:
It's in Tome of Salvation, and while It is incredibly easy to read it like that, it does say 'Dwarfs undoubtedly encountered Humans many times before in the south'. Nehekhara was 1500 years old at the time of that meeting, and at one point its borders reached as far north as modern Averland, so its territory would have come right between Barak Varr and Karaz-a-Karak. That recorded meeting is just given extra significance by the men of the Empire because it's the first time their ancestors encountered the Dwarves.
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As I think I mentioned above; we know when Nehekhara extended into Averland; and it was in -1,150 IC*. This is three hundred and fifty years after Tome of Salvation says first contact with the Belthani happened (and Tylos isn't really meaningfully south of Karaz-a-Karak). Also, the Empire doesn't consider the Belthani their ancestors according to Tome of Salvation, but as primitives the dwaves disdained and their own ancestors replaced. Unusually for GW, this is one of the few places where events actually line up.

And encounters in the south that weren't worth recording and rather different to centuries of sharing a city with, or being conquered by.

* there's a map of Nehekhara's expansion north (with dates, perhaps?).
 
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