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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Jyn Ryvia said:
Yes I'm dyslexic, haha. It's so funny that you take this swing eveytime.

So amusing.

(I try to be a good sport about it in general, and don't mind the odd joke, but when it's the same 3 posters every time I really start to take it to heart.)
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Sorry, i honestly had not noticed i've made a habit of making jokes about your typos.
Used to be slightly dyslexic myself, though most of my errors is just me being shit at typing, so i would generally not joke about typos (i make plenty of them myself) unless they actually transform the word into something else.
And Morrites dealing with sprints just struck me as funny.
Possibly because i have been playing ring fit the past week.
 
I'm back home and I can finally get to work on my megapost. Mopman beat me to the punch on Maneater.
Boney said:
I danced around actually using his name because there's rumours they'll be renaming him for Total Warhammer. But yeah, at this point in time there's only one Ogre going by 'Maneater'.
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If that is the truth, then thank god. I used to consider myself a bisexual man, and seeing his name was always a jumpscare.
 
Boney said:
You'd be able to approach further groups after the first one if that's what the thread wants to do, but the more groups Mathilde officially makes contact with, the more eyes and expectations will be on her.
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Now that we know Waystones could be involved, and having lucked out with the Taalites not wanting anything from us, From scratch stands out to me as the option might that allows us to investigate the network on the side with a plausible excuse on our own schedule. If that's a bust, we could always bring in other factions later.

In that regard, I'd rate Marrisith as the second best option - she would probably choose someone who can navigate the politics, has insight into waystones and is invested in the outcome of both our investigation and the research, meaning they wouldn't rush or derail things too much. Boris would be my third pick, but I really don't see any particular hurry when we just uncovered so many options to pursue on our own.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Nordland has lost five towns and half its territory, and if the elves win their land claims then Nordland will lose three more settlements, all of which are major coastal towns, including the current headquarters of the Second Imperial Fleet. They can't afford to back down over this. If Nordland looses this conflict, we're looking at the potential extinction of Nordland as a province, with its territory divided between Middenland and Ostland.

Which is one way of solving the problem, I guess, but it's hardly ideal.
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Considering that in order for the elves to win their land claims they'll need to establish firmly to the Empire that siding with them won't permanently undermine the Empire's ability to defend itself, I don't think it's that bad. Nordland as a province has no intrinsic value, and the Empire has shuffled around provinces and their territories before now. Rather than considering it a loss of those settlements to the Empire, consider it a gain of some degree of the productivity and capability of the elven lands that have been completely closed to the Empire up until now.
 
Godwinson said:
Considering that in order for the elves to win their land claims they'll need to establish firmly to the Empire that siding with them won't permanently undermine the Empire's ability to defend itself, I don't think it's that bad. Nordland as a province has no intrinsic value, and the Empire has shuffled around provinces and their territories before now. Rather than considering it a loss of those settlements to the Empire, consider it a gain of some degree of the productivity and capability of the elven lands that have been completely closed to the Empire up until now.
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There is an intrinsic value to the place because if Nordland stops existing, then all the people will be displaced and have to move somewhere else. Do you think any of the other Provinces are super enthused to have an influx of refugees seeking a new place to live? It's not like land suitable for living is abundant in the Empire. Much of the places within the Empire that are suitable for living have had to be fought tooth and claw to acquire them.
 
Alratan said:
While that's bad for Nordland, embedding the Eonir more deeply into Imperial politics is probably a win for the Empire. If Nordland knows they have no chance of getting broader support from the other provinces then they'r much less likely to cause trouble.

The Eonir are also much more likely to share what they know with us and by implication the rest of the Empire if it's that much less likely that a century down the down it will have been taken down and used against them on the battlefield.

The Eonir are going to be looki it to do this kind of thing anyway, so I think we should guide them to focus their efforts where we know about it.

Setting a precedent of elven involvement where the first interaction they have with a province is helping dealing with threatening spirits is also a good thing. It hopefully makes it more likely that people will go to them for help with such matters in the future, and that the elves will see reasons to do so.
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While this is true as far as it goes Norland is already the underdog, if you kick it much harder it is going to suffer serious instability which is bad for the empire or worse still they might feel backed into a corner ad decide to do something unwise like declare total war on the forest and try to but it down with every soldier they can get their hands on.
 
Codex said:
There is an intrinsic value to the place because if Nordland stops existing, then all the people will be displaced and have to move somewhere else. Do you think any of the other Provinces are super enthused to have an influx of refugees seeking a new place to live? It's not like land suitable for living is abundant in the Empire. Much of the places within the Empire that are suitable for living have had to be fought tooth and claw to acquire them.
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...those three coastal towns are not the entirety of Nordland. The rest of the settlements in Nordland would continue to exist, and not be displaced.
 
Codex said:
There is an intrinsic value to the place because if Nordland stops existing, then all the people will be displaced and have to move somewhere else. Do you think any of the other Provinces are super enthused to have an influx of refugees seeking a new place to live? It's not like land suitable for living is abundant in the Empire. Much of the places within the Empire that are suitable for living have had to be fought tooth and claw to acquire them.
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Like the Hunter's Hills, for example.
 
Codex said:
There is an intrinsic value to the place because if Nordland stops existing, then all the people will be displaced and have to move somewhere else. Do you think any of the other Provinces are super enthused to have an influx of refugees seeking a new place to live? It's not like land suitable for living is abundant in the Empire. Much of the places within the Empire that are suitable for living have had to be fought tooth and claw to acquire them.
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That seems to be the case with these settlements too though. It comes down to whether the empire wants to fight elves or orks for territory.

Carving new settlements out of one of their internal pockets of wild lands is probably easier and less bloody overall, even if it's harder on their pride.
 
Godwinson said:
I know, that wasn't directed at you, but at the topic. (Since this is a public venue.)
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Well, then maybe you should have made it more clear. I was getting pretty heated since you were replying to me. I'm fine letting the topic settle, but I thought for a second that you were accusing me of colonial apology. I was seeing red for a moment there.
 
Codex said:
Well, then maybe you should have made it more clear. I was getting pretty heated since you were replying to me. I'm fine letting the topic settle, but I thought for a second that you were accusing me of colonial apology. I was seeing red for a moment there.
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Sorry about my poor phrasing there, I wasn't intending it to come across that way. It's why I'm backing away from the discussion, before I put my foot in it even worse.
 
[X] Morrite Witch Hunters
While the citizens of every province of the Empire respect Morr, Ostermarkers revere him more than most, which means that Morrite organizations like the Order of the Shroud, the Dreamwalkers, and the Andanti fill the role of Witch Hunters in Ostermark where normally the Templars of Sigmar would hold sway. Get in touch with them and see what they might know.
[X] Ice Witches
You worked well with them previously, and though their influence within Kislev is currently at a low ebb, they'd have jurisdiction to investigate goings-on on the Kislevite side of the river.

[X] Queen Marrisith's suggestion
Go right to the top. More Elector Counts thinking kindly of Laurelorn would be very much in her favour, and though she wouldn't come herself, she'd be able to name someone who would be able to help and has the authority to tell them to go.
[X] Vicereine Cadaeth
You're not entirely sure of her nature, but you're pretty sure that whaver she is, she has more insight into Forest Spirits than you do.
[X] Lady Kaia 'Stormwitch' Fanmaris
The Warden of Storms advocates peaceful relations with foreign powers, and has spent much of an Elven lifetime fighting the products of corrupted forests.
 
Boney said:
If Nordland lost all land west of the Salz, it would still be about the size of Hochland.
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Hmm... in that case I am less worried. At the end of the day the sort of instability I am worried about would be linked to the loss of land such that they could not feed their population. If that is not a concern than I could live with a small Norland and a big Laurelorn.
 
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Also Sylvanie can probably use a few more settlers just to make sure lands are not left empty and free for gribblys to move in.

Also Panaroth was talking about reclaiming a few places with Panaromia's research. I don't know who big they are but it might give it imperative to do it.

And Worse comes about there is an entire border princes to reclaim.

Granted I don't think Nordland will stop existing, they might have to move cities which would be expensive but there is probably some other suitable locations for the second fleet. And if there is a mutual protection pact were to build with Eonir, they might decide to help second fleet with ships of their own with the freed of resources.

[X] Ice Witches
You worked well with them previously, and though their influence within Kislev is currently at a low ebb, they'd have jurisdiction to investigate goings-on on the Kislevite side of the river.
 
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Codex said:
Those three are three of the most major settlements in all of Nordland. You're looking at 100k+ people.
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According to Sigmar's Heirs, Dietershafen only has a population of 3000 people (500 of which are the garrison), which strikes me as deeply wrong, but I don't know enough about medieval population data to know for sure. Neue Emskrank and Hargendorf add another 1000 between them. Of course, there's various villages and hamlets surrounding them, and I have no idea what that would add to the count. Those numbers are also post-Storm of Chaos, which killed a lot of people.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
According to Sigmar's Heirs, Dietershafen only has a population of 3000 people (500 of which are the garrison), which strikes me as deeply wrong, but I don't know enough about medieval population data to know for sure. Neue Emskrank and Hargendorf add another 1000 between them. Of course, there's various villages and hamlets surrounding them, and I have no idea what that would add to the count. Those numbers are also post-Storm of Chaos, which killed a lot of people.
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Boney has mentioned the population numbers are incredibly weird in RPG sources. Don't look at them, they'll only confuse you. The five small villages that were vacated by the Winter Wolves in quest consisted of 10k people, which is more than all the three towns combined in canon.
 
Codex said:
Boney has mentioned the population numbers are incredibly weird in RPG sources. Don't look at them, they'll only confuse you. The five small villages that were vacated by the Winter Wolves in quest consisted of 10k people, which is more than all the three towns combined in canon.
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Yeah, I'm aware that fantasy writers have no sense of scale, it just weirds me out everytime I come across it because I have no idea if I'm the one with the wonky sense of scale.
 
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