Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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[X] Su Ling was doing well already, she had already turned her blood to her own purposes. Why waste something you had already stolen? Wasn't it a better revenge to use your enemy's tools against them?
kinigget
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I think some people are reading just a bit too much into this with the whole comparison to being transgender. This isn't that, this is by all accounts a part of her being she has already usurped and bent to her own ends. Why get rid of it now? As far as anyone can tell,, she's been doing fine since she tried to shred both her tails and failed..
don't get me wrong, if she comes back and tells us that yes it really is that bad, then I will gladly give my blessing. It just feels like a lot of people are kneejerking to "people can do what they want with their their body" when it's just a bit more complicated than that.
don't get me wrong, if she comes back and tells us that yes it really is that bad, then I will gladly give my blessing. It just feels like a lot of people are kneejerking to "people can do what they want with their their body" when it's just a bit more complicated than that.
Yeah Ling Qi has 0 right to claim "as far as anyone can tell" considering how little she has invested in the Su Ling relationship recently.
I mean the comparison isn't 1:1 to transgender stuff, but surely you can see how people might be sensitive to the whole "Hey person who I've barely interacted with in the last year, I know you have a history of self-mutilation but you seem fine to me so let me explain to you why I don't think this is so bad" approach.
Interjecting ourselves to explain to her unprovoked and uninformed that she hasn't thought about it enough and this is something she should embrace is such a gross approach. I mean you want her to "tell us that yes it really is that bad" when we've already seen her self-harm over this? Who cares whether she's right or wrong she needs support not a lecture from a peripheral acquaintance. We certainly shouldn't be doing it because we're projecting our own values and desire for power onto her.
This is not our decision to make. This should not even be something we should inject our opinion into. This should not be a vote
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rmrf
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[X] Su Ling was doing well already, she had already turned her blood to her own purposes. Why waste something you had already stolen? Wasn't it a better revenge to use your enemy's tools against them?
[X]"Do you hate it because of it's link to your Mother, or do you hate it because it's wrong for you."
[X]"Do you hate it because of it's link to your Mother, or do you hate it because it's wrong for you."
dpara
slightly confused ascendant
[X] Su Ling was doing well already, she had already turned her blood to her own purposes. Why waste something you had already stolen? Wasn't it a better revenge to use your enemy's tools against them?
LQ doesn't really care much where power comes from, she also believes in "have I not defeated my enemies when I make them my friend" (looking at Xiulan here^^).
Personally, I don't really like the implied message that "being a fox" is evil. Su Ling is rather abrasive to other fox (-likes) and I'd rather have her judge these on their actions than looks.
..but that's not something I feel LQ would point out but eg. Gan
(I would vote for the writein but I rather dislike going around the GM)
LQ doesn't really care much where power comes from, she also believes in "have I not defeated my enemies when I make them my friend" (looking at Xiulan here^^).
Personally, I don't really like the implied message that "being a fox" is evil. Su Ling is rather abrasive to other fox (-likes) and I'd rather have her judge these on their actions than looks.
..but that's not something I feel LQ would point out but eg. Gan
(I would vote for the writein but I rather dislike going around the GM)
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I believe that Su Ling's hold-over illusion "fox fire" and such should actually be usable along the same lines of Ling Qi talking to Sixiang about the value of Fiction.
If you can project a positive vision of the future, and inspire others to work towards it, that's a positive use of Fiction/Illusion/Liminal/Dream
The issue being that it looks functionally identical to deceitful/manipulative/unjust behavior
However, you can get past the surface level similarities by Being Good c:
Deny the Lies of the Wicked, and replace them with Dreams of the Future
If you can project a positive vision of the future, and inspire others to work towards it, that's a positive use of Fiction/Illusion/Liminal/Dream
The issue being that it looks functionally identical to deceitful/manipulative/unjust behavior
However, you can get past the surface level similarities by Being Good c:
Deny the Lies of the Wicked, and replace them with Dreams of the Future
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[X]"Do you hate it because of it's link to your Mother, or do you hate it because it's wrong for you."
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Symbolic protest vote
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Just a reminder that we, as a cultivator, don't really have a place criticizing people for body modding or not accepting themselves as they are when that is what cultivators do. They risk being crippled or killed during tribulations in order to purge "impurities", and create a more idealized version of themselves. It changes them, both body and mind. If Ling Qi cared about accepted every part of herself, she would not be cultivating right now, and she certainly would not be planning to reach for the higher forms of cultivation that quite literally strip her of 'superfluous' aspects of herself. Modifying herself is exactly how Su Ling is going to get what she wants in this world, one way or another. That's how the magic system works at its core. It just depends on whether it's going to involve just standard imperial cultivation or that and purging her spirit traits.
And considering she hasn't even started the research phase yet, we aren't even sure how dangerous a procedure it would actually be. Hell, it might be safer than imperial cultivation. And as I pointed out earlier, leaving parts of yourself around that you don't explicitly want is actively dangerous to later tribulations. The question (As far as I understand it, and I may obviously be way off the mark) seems to be whether we think we can convince her to make her spirit traits a part of her way, which... seems quite unlikely considering her past of self-mutilation.
And considering she hasn't even started the research phase yet, we aren't even sure how dangerous a procedure it would actually be. Hell, it might be safer than imperial cultivation. And as I pointed out earlier, leaving parts of yourself around that you don't explicitly want is actively dangerous to later tribulations. The question (As far as I understand it, and I may obviously be way off the mark) seems to be whether we think we can convince her to make her spirit traits a part of her way, which... seems quite unlikely considering her past of self-mutilation.
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Its possible that Su Ling's foxfire is no longer a Fire/Lake technique but rather a Fire/Mountain one: a flame that burns away deceit and trickery.
kinigget
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See, we saw her try to shred her tails, but then she found out she could shift the elements and make it her own, which she then did, and as far as we have seen, that appeared to resolve the issue. The fact that this is coming up again is confusing to Ling Qi.
At no point am I suggesting we have any right to dictate anything, but we are allowed to have opinions and give advice based on our own feelings and opinions.
I see basically every dissent saying, not to put to fine a point on it, that we have an obligation to support this decision no matter what we may feel. I reject that, we are allowed to be concerned that she's making a poor decision for flawed reasons.
XiaoYueMao
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sure, but her reason is "trauma" .... surgery NEVER fixes trauma and we should be helping her fix her trauma, not do extreme measures that wont fix the trauma
Even if we were around Su Ling to be able to judge this, which we were not, the appearance of mental health is not the same as being healthy. You can't invalidate or assume her feelings just because she didnt demonstrate her issues to Ling Qi. That's ridiculous and offensive.
We were not asked for our opinion here. Ling Qi has spent the entire story up to now ignoring this issue. She is not entitled to suddenly lecture this woman unprovoked. Your concern does not matter here, this is not about Ling Qi
Besides the "support" option is cautioning her but recognizing it is her decision, not jumping on board full throttle.
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XiaoYueMao
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the idea that one must be entitled to an opinion is nonsensical. if you have an opinion you have every right to state it. whether your opinion gets ignored is a different matter. also, a good friend allows their friends to state what they think even if it's not what they wish to hear
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I don't like it when people shout at each other, because it reminds me of arguments my parents had when I was a child. I try to avoid raising my voice at people because of this.
Is my resolution unworthy because the motivation is based in trauma? Who are you to decide how worthy another person's motivation is?
Rule 3: Be Civil: This is an unnecessary escalation in tone and personal attacks.
Wow. Just wow. You sound like a very hurtful person
XiaoYueMao
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if you decided to get surgery on your throat so you cant shout ever again due to your trauma. yes, i would indeed tell you i feel that it is a mistake.
what you tried to do was a false equivalence
XiaoYueMao
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why? because i love my friends to the point i will tell them exactly how i feel so they know what motivates me and what i think? rather than keep secrets and have them constantly guessing my feelings?
In this analogue it would more be like if you did invasive surgery to remove your ability to raise your voice and/or unable to hear loud sounds.
There are degrees of extremes in these cases.
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[X] Su Ling was doing well already, she had already turned her blood to her own purposes. Why waste something you had already stolen? Wasn't it a better revenge to use your enemy's tools against them?
Honestly just feels the most in character as an option.
Honestly just feels the most in character as an option.
This is incredibly narcissistic and naive. There is a time and a place for everything and being brutally honest is not always the best course of action.
Su Ling is not a close enough friend for us to suddenly take this upon ourselves after ignoring it for months. Even if she were, we have very clear and pronounced philosophical differences. You can have an opinion. You are not entitled to share it.
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You think the degree of the response changes things, but for me they do not. In my view Su Ling has full bodily autonomy, it is for her to decide what she considers appropriate when it relates to her body. The only situation in which this is not the case, is if she were unable to consent to the surgery -- in other words if she were psychologically impaired. She does not seem to be and the argument that she is relies on making the judgement that her motivation is insufficient to justify her response.
I contest that, Su Ling seems to have a reason as worthy as any other. Certainly she seems to have a much better understanding of her own situation than Ling Qi or the readers do.