Usagi Quest (CK3/Princess Maker) (Sailor Moon)
- Thread starter Lunaryon
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[x][Runoff] Purify him
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- He/Him/His
[X][Runoff] Banish him
As has been mentioned, being seen on the news to just kill someone we've taken prisoner is something that could seriously backfire against us in multiple different ways. And that's to say nothing of the potential emotional consequences for Usagi, or the others, which could also be severe.
As has been mentioned, being seen on the news to just kill someone we've taken prisoner is something that could seriously backfire against us in multiple different ways. And that's to say nothing of the potential emotional consequences for Usagi, or the others, which could also be severe.
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- Somewhere else
[X][Runoff] Banish him
[X][Runoff] Banish him
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- San Ramon, CA
[X][Runoff] Banish him
[X][Runoff] Banish him
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
[X][Runoff] Banish him
Ruthlessness and over-pragmatism bites back. It looks like a good idea but you start finding both yourself and the world responding to you to be a far colder, full of sharp edges that catch and tear. Sometimes you have to accept a sub-optimal play.
Ruthlessness and over-pragmatism bites back. It looks like a good idea but you start finding both yourself and the world responding to you to be a far colder, full of sharp edges that catch and tear. Sometimes you have to accept a sub-optimal play.
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Sailor Moon accept sub-optimal plays? Never. She's the type to use Author Fiat and Protagonist Power to make things work regardless of how logic or coherent storytelling is supposed to go. And they do, really.
The risk cuts both ways. We let someone go, and then later they show up again and get people injured or killed and people will be upset.
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- He/Him/His
That's a funny way to pronounce "The Silver Crystal is Gloriously Bullshit."
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
Out of character knowledge, sure, but at least he's less likely to choose to get people killed than pretty much anyone else any enemy is likely to field. The man is a hero who was on the side of evil by what was effectively an accident of birth, at worst having an alien and slightly archaic morality system.
The real danger is that various baddies gank him and steal his power. They would and could, even if he'd fight them for it.
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- Arcadia
[X][Runoff] Purify him
Winged One
Not the Simurgh
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- definitely the ground
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- They/Them/It
[X][Runoff] Banish him
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- Colorado
How is 'Letting an enemy go leaves the possibility they come back and make trouble latter' OOC knowledge? If anything our surety that he's a perfect honorable warrior archetype who will never break his word is based on OOC knowledge from his series. This one fight is not nearly enough for us to be sure he'll actually break with his Dark King over this. And then there's the fact that he got possessed not once but twice in this fight. Even if we are certain he'll never come back willingly his will could very easily not be the deciding factor here.
[X][Runoff] Banish him
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- San Ramon, CA
Kintoleski: I have been beaten in combat, my life is now in your hands. What shall be my fate?
All the Questors:
All the Questors:
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- Mid-Atlantic
[X][Runoff] Banish him
Second of all, Kintoleski isn't one of "Pandora's children," he's his own thing that works in his own way.
Third of all, the biggest argument for purifying him is to extract his Miracle Drop (his MacGuffin)... but the Miracle Drop is woven into his being, it's not just a physical object he carries around like the Prism Stones are for Futari Wa Pretty Cure's villains. Any form of purification that we can be sure won't injure Kintoleski almost certainly also won't extract his Miracle Drop, in which case it won't really accomplish anything worth achieving with "Purify" rather than "Banish." It might give him free will and cause him to stop fighting for Dark Fall, but "Banish" already does that.
Modus Tollens' argument is that sometimes you have to resist the seemingly "optimal" choice recommended by cold, hard pragmatism because to do so is to shape the world around you in a way that bites back.
Your argument is that Sailor Moon runs on the power of defanging the world's capacity to bite back and refusing to accept moral compromises.
I don't see a contradiction.
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But if you're right, then "Purify" doesn't have a lot of supporting arguments for it, because the arguments for it boil down to 'cold hard pragmatism' stuff like:
1) Kintoleski may become a threat to bystanders (even though his basic personality shows little inclination to hurt or endanger bystanders).
2) Kintoleski could be an asset to our enemies if they mind-control him (even though we could say the same of, say, yokai).
3) We need Kintoleski's McGuffin as soon as possible to maximize our chances of clearing up Splash Star's plot easily.
To me, it seems perfectly natural for Sailor Moon to just say "screw that, I'm not risking his life when he hasn't done anything to us except while possessed, and doesn't wish us any harm."
If Kintoleski isn't bound specifically to obey his overlord, we have no reason to expect him to cause any more trouble than an equally powerful yokai. And we wouldn't be questioning an equally powerful yokai's right to exist.
We don't really have an assurance that Jadeite won't come back and make trouble later either; I don't recall many votes for summarily executing him.
The flip side is that we've had really interesting stuff come out of write-ins, including sub-vote write-ins. I'd hate to miss out on that.
You're right, but bearing in mind that he's clearly not just an angry amorphous mass of magical rage or whatever like the Zakenna, and isn't a murderous screaming brute like the youma was, having him dissolve into a pile of goo or whatever after we hit him with a purification spell that kills him might not be a great look ON TV...
First of all, Naru's exhausted and tapped out, and we're all out of Zakenna to feed her to recharge her batteries.
Second of all, Kintoleski isn't one of "Pandora's children," he's his own thing that works in his own way.
Third of all, the biggest argument for purifying him is to extract his Miracle Drop (his MacGuffin)... but the Miracle Drop is woven into his being, it's not just a physical object he carries around like the Prism Stones are for Futari Wa Pretty Cure's villains. Any form of purification that we can be sure won't injure Kintoleski almost certainly also won't extract his Miracle Drop, in which case it won't really accomplish anything worth achieving with "Purify" rather than "Banish." It might give him free will and cause him to stop fighting for Dark Fall, but "Banish" already does that.
I think you're going to the same place @Modus_Tollens is going with this.
Modus Tollens' argument is that sometimes you have to resist the seemingly "optimal" choice recommended by cold, hard pragmatism because to do so is to shape the world around you in a way that bites back.
Your argument is that Sailor Moon runs on the power of defanging the world's capacity to bite back and refusing to accept moral compromises.
I don't see a contradiction.
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But if you're right, then "Purify" doesn't have a lot of supporting arguments for it, because the arguments for it boil down to 'cold hard pragmatism' stuff like:
1) Kintoleski may become a threat to bystanders (even though his basic personality shows little inclination to hurt or endanger bystanders).
2) Kintoleski could be an asset to our enemies if they mind-control him (even though we could say the same of, say, yokai).
3) We need Kintoleski's McGuffin as soon as possible to maximize our chances of clearing up Splash Star's plot easily.
To me, it seems perfectly natural for Sailor Moon to just say "screw that, I'm not risking his life when he hasn't done anything to us except while possessed, and doesn't wish us any harm."
What about Kintoleski's personality makes you think he's likely to become such a threat? He's been active in the world for weeks- we saw him the first time we went down to Splash Star's hometown when we didn't even met them. And he seems to have done no harm. If he isn't specifically being ordered to do bad things by his boss, we have no reason to expect him to be a parole-breaking hazard.
Again, we could say the same of powerful yokai.
If Kintoleski isn't bound specifically to obey his overlord, we have no reason to expect him to cause any more trouble than an equally powerful yokai. And we wouldn't be questioning an equally powerful yokai's right to exist.
We don't really have an assurance that Jadeite won't come back and make trouble later either; I don't recall many votes for summarily executing him.
