Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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CedeTheBees
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That's why we should vote for the Diao. This is free info on them gathered by a master spy. We won't get another chance like this for who knows how long
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[X] The Wang Clan
[X] The Meng Clan
[X] The Meng Clan
I think it's worth noting that we will 100% get some of that information already. By choosing to meet the Diao over the Luo and Bao we get a questline about them, we reveal information about their clan's workings, and we stabilize their rep with us personally. By combining that with the Craftsmen's Tourney synergy we're likely to get even more insight. We will have a lot of information on the Diao after this regardless. Individuals within the Diao dislike us being Weilu moderate, and knowledge of their inner working won't really affect that long term since I can't imagine we won't continue to act that way.
Meanwhile the Meng are known to be mysterious, we won't even get a blank rep increase from them like with the Wang but with a faction we don't even know about yet. Getting an in with that faction (whatever it is) would get us friends among the Weilu moderates and understanding the Meng specifically could get us support for our selves, CRX, the White Sky mission, Meizhen's diplomacy, the Dream Cults etc. and yield tangible benefits.
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I... Who? That's not a character who was ever in this quest. You must be confusing it with another one.
The writ makes you a noble, being adopted into a noble family makes you still a noble
[X] The Diao Clan
I really did not like the way the Diao clan matriarch looked at CRX, and there's the fact that the attempted Sabotage of Hanyi's tour occurred in the territory of a Diao vassal. I fear that without this spy info we're going to get blindsided. Just because we don't want to interact with them doesn't mean they won't work to sabotage us. Information is power, and we have too little as things currently stand with respect to the Diao.
I'm less concerned with the Meng and Wang because we already have a path forward with them.
I really did not like the way the Diao clan matriarch looked at CRX, and there's the fact that the attempted Sabotage of Hanyi's tour occurred in the territory of a Diao vassal. I fear that without this spy info we're going to get blindsided. Just because we don't want to interact with them doesn't mean they won't work to sabotage us. Information is power, and we have too little as things currently stand with respect to the Diao.
I'm less concerned with the Meng and Wang because we already have a path forward with them.
ElizatronicWarfa
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[X] The Diao Clan
While I agree with your concern about their matriarch, we must also remember that the matriach in question is also the not so secretly lover of the Duchess who is a control freak. She may let the Diao cause a problem here and there, but something life threatning and while we are in a very important diplomatic mission? I can't imagine her letting that pass.
Also I don't think the Diao is the source of the problem here. That just seem....waaaay to obvious with this Quest. They are literally the power foundation the Cai have in controlling the Province, and you are telling me all that they managed to do is swich in a paper that is very obvious to look at under scrunity? The Diao might be the one with the -1 relationship with us, but there are also those who hates our guts in a clan we are working with like those imperialist. I rather want to check whether there's an enemy in my friend's house than check if there's one in in my annoying neighbor house.
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Cai Shenhua is no helicopter mom. I wouldn't put it past her to allow her daughter to face a series of potentially lethal tests as long as Cai Shenhua herself isn't challenged. And if CRX dies, well there is always the backup heir. We also don't know enough about the relationship between Shenhua and the Diao matriarch to make assumptions about what Shenhua won't tolerate.
You're making a lot of assumptions here. The Diao are Shenhua's foundation, not CRX's, and by being Shenhua's foundation that makes Shenhua less likely to act against them when they overstep.
? I am not talking about Shenhua protecting CRX because of familial relations, but her literal mentality of Anti Corruption. It's already obvious she is willing to hurt CRX mentally to make her stronger, but I don't think it's to the extent where she would let someone make use of her system for personal gains or petty grudges or do you not remember how she handles the Emerald Province? I refuse to believe Shenhua wouldn't have an iron grip on the Diao and then let them do as they please just because she is in love with their Matriarch. That's why I believe the trouble are in other Clans who Shenhua have a lesser grip in.
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[X] The Diao Clan
Shenhua and the Diao may be closely allied, but they're not her slaves. They may not oppose a Cai project directly, but I can easily see them indirectly sabotaging this one in an effort to discredit CRX, and by extension Ling Qi. And I don't put it past Shenhua to turn a blind eye and chalk it up as a test.
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Good point in general. Shenhua won't let someone abuse the system. I'm not necessarily saying that the Diao have anything to do as direct as targeting Idol Hanyi.
It doesn't have to be secret sabotage. They can still represent opposition when we try to get certain policies off the ground in the future. Trade b/w Emerald Seas and White Sky Confederation? Finally cleaning out and opening up the Iron Road? This all stuff to think about.
True but remember that doesn't mean Shenhua's enforcement of rules on pple like the Diao r perfect. Look at Tonghou, located right in Diao territory. Tonghou is a rotting, stagnating city with plenty of corruption and suffering, its exactly the type of city Shenhua would change. But did Linqin or other Diao get the Liu clan on it? Nope. Ling Qi and her people suffered for that.
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Ugh, this is difficult. The Meng Clan is secretive and getting less biased information on them would be difficult. The Diao and Wang on the other hand are Clans we have to interact with because of the Old Road/New Road questline and Black Lotus mountain.
As the vote currently stands, it's either information on the Meng that would be difficult to get otherwise or information on the Diao, which could help with the Old Road/New Road questline...
[X] The Diao Clan
As the vote currently stands, it's either information on the Meng that would be difficult to get otherwise or information on the Diao, which could help with the Old Road/New Road questline...
[X] The Diao Clan
We actually know a fair bit about the Diao:
They are a hill folk clan that is heavily interested in wealth, craftmanship and trade. Ideologically they appear to be imperial moderates (they are, after all, willing to deal with barbarians) but are extremely sensitive about their own history (which makes sense, hill folk were traditionally considered little better than barbarians themselves, with the Xi treating them literally as barbarians).
Honestly they'd be perfect allies for us to build up our imperial moderate support... except that LQ is basically everything they are trying to distance themselves from. They are members of an oppressed ethnic minority that has managed to secure a position of immense power and will not let anything threaten that. Not that LQ is a threat to them, but she inadvertently repeated statements that had previously been used to justify their oppression.
They are a hill folk clan that is heavily interested in wealth, craftmanship and trade. Ideologically they appear to be imperial moderates (they are, after all, willing to deal with barbarians) but are extremely sensitive about their own history (which makes sense, hill folk were traditionally considered little better than barbarians themselves, with the Xi treating them literally as barbarians).
Honestly they'd be perfect allies for us to build up our imperial moderate support... except that LQ is basically everything they are trying to distance themselves from. They are members of an oppressed ethnic minority that has managed to secure a position of immense power and will not let anything threaten that. Not that LQ is a threat to them, but she inadvertently repeated statements that had previously been used to justify their oppression.
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You're right that we'll get some of that info already. However, if we vote for them now, we'd roll for more successes when interacting with now which I think we need. You know, because they dislike us even more then Meng do?
Also to clarify for everyone, the front page is outdated. IICR, the relationship Daio is -2 ever since we chose the diplomacy option with White Sky. Correct me if wrong though.
