[X] Spread it to your planar allies as well, they might not face the Void now, but who knows what tomorrow might bring

"You get a lightsaber! You get a lightsaber! You get a lightsaber!"
-Rhllor, daydreaming after watching Plane Wars on Mirrorvision
 
[X] Spread it to your planar allies as well, they might not face the Void now, but who knows what tomorrow might bring

The more people we've got stabbing these guys the better.
 
It was a poor example. But I am asking about the kind of ammo they consume.

That is because you guys never saw the things being loaded on screen, but yes loading is involved. For instance if you bind an elemental to make a canon that shoots fire, you still need to make sure that elemental is alive after expending so much of its life-force to shoot your weapons. That would go under the generic heading of magical reagents. You need a certain kind of salt, a certain kind of sulfur and a pinch of black diamond dust every 100 firings, that sort of thing.
 
It was a poor example. But I am asking about the kind of ammo they consume.
The only faction you know to use such weapons to any extend are the Efreeti and in their case:

Abus - The basic infantry weapon, which simply casts Magic Missile. Cheaper versions directly consume wands of Magic Missile as ammo, while the better ones use small Living Brass cylinders as "batteries". The improved versions also tend to have greater range, multi-shot, and other good stuff.
Sahalaz - The bigger version, either crew served or used by giants, which casts Orb of Force. They always use Living Brass as fuel.
Jezail - Custom made weapons used by wealthy mercenaries, Salamander clan leaders that are culturally influenced by the Efreeti and the occasional Efreeti who likes murdering stuff for fun with them. Tend to use Living Brass too, but since every Jezail is unique, there are plenty using all kinds of other power sources.

Their large bombards are Elemental powered, but they too shoot alchemical and other projectiles, and require regular maintenance (which includes new Elementals now and then since they tend to die when the weapon is in heavy use).
 
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[X] General Scholarum Lore for those skilled enough to cast it, allowing mages like Zherys to cast it or the Red Priests to try to develop their own version
 
[X] Spread it to your planar allies as well, they might not face the Void now, but who knows what tomorrow might bring
 
[X] Spread it to your planar allies as well, they might not face the Void now, but who knows what tomorrow might bring
 
[X] Spread it to your planar allies as well, they might not face the Void now, but who knows what tomorrow might bring

Absolutely no reason not to!
 
So uh, if you're not facing the void and especially if you're not mystic isn't this strictly worse than the level 7 spell Magic Army? Like without either its a large range +1/+1. Can anyone think of any enemies we have that can't get that fairly trivially already?

I guess the main thing is we know our enemies have mystic access. Im struggling to think of cases where they'd use their limited mythic energy on buffing this over any thing else tbh but the share it seems so good I can't help but feel I'm missing something
 
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Vote closed. Sorry this took so long. I was rather busy today IRL.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 3, 2021 at 3:14 PM, finished with 27 posts and 14 votes.
 
Interlude MCCXLIII: A Peril of Riches
A Peril of Riches

Seventh Day of the Twelfth Month 294 AC

The destruction of Everfire Dale was for many a shock, a blow to the notion of Imperial invulnerability. For merchants who dealt in the many works of the Dale, it was a savage cut into their margins, enough so that a fair number of them went under sending ripples of insolvency out to their own creditors, until it was finally stopped by swift and decisive action by the Iron Bank working in conjunction with the Ministry of Trade and the Ministry of Taxation. Proposals for tax breaks were swiftly silenced as bad practice, for aid should come in the form of aid and not lifting one's dues to the state, but tax assessors were swiftly sent all across the realm to ensure that no one was still being taxed for goods which had been vaporized or melted into glass.

All the while, the Iron Bank quietly gave lie to its fearsome reputation, with reasonable offers of reimbursement and loan restructuring, though unlike many Imperial institutions in those months they did not widely publicize their deeds, for the Keyholders did not wish to 'show weakness' in a marketplace that was growing ever more competitive, in a world that was ever more perilous.

With the announcement that no new banks would be allowed to form west of the Narrow Sea for months yet, if not years, those same worthies breathed a sigh of relief. They had made the right choice. Uraka Breolis had presented it as the only choice, but even if she was right, that did not have to make it a good one, but it was clear now that the Imperator was willing to err on the side of professionalism and stability over favoring the folk of his birth realm. Profits would not be what they might have been, but then such was the nature of war. Only fools too blind to see farther than the tips of their noses would think that war was good for business, but still the aftermath of it could be, if one backed the winning side.

There had been some rumblings of late about expansion into the Sea of Fire, for the last two planar expansions had been most profitable and Ring of Keys was always looking for seconds on a feast as the saying went.

Peculiarly, Princeps Uraka was quick indeed to put paid any notions of quick profits. The new realms of the Imperium were wide and in the abstract perhaps a fair place to find new clients, but a people in the midst of a war to the knife are not inclined to buy into reconstruction loans. Still, there was one trade which Duchess Larissa was interested in making, a very straightforward trade yet still one with the potential to have consequences far reaching enough to end up on the Imperial desk.

Although the fleet of the Cobalt Scales was non-existent, their capital pounded by enemy artillery and their people grimly determined to fight to the end, they yet possessed a reasonable treasury from more prosperous times, reasonable at least by the standards of a small state on the Sea of Fire, compared to the wealth of most nobles and magisters of the Imperium taken as individuals, it was staggering and its conversion to Imperial marks would tank the price of precious metals when the market had only just stabilized. It was estimated, and later divined that this would cause a second round of panic selling of precious metals and when the price corrected upwards to current standards eventually, it would lead to even more bad blood uniting in common outrage the fiscally incompetent from across two continents.

What do you do about the desire of Duchess Larissa to buy a great sum of marks with precious metals?

[] Let her do it, but spread the word that the fall in precious metal prices will be temporary this time, hopefully lightening the blow

[] Ask her to hold off for now, you do not need to deal with more economic shocks, though this will likely upset your new citizens

[] Have the throne buy the precious metal then slowly sell it off pane to get it out of circulation as you did to soften the first blow

[] Write in


OOC: I am intentionally keeping the exact sum abstracted because the concept of money has been abstracted.
 
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[X] Ask her to hold off for now, you do not need to deal with more economic shocks, though this will likely upset your new citizens

Sorry Larissa, it's just a terrible time for this.
 
[X] Let her do it, but spread the word that the fall in precious metal prices will be temporary this time, hopefully lightening the blow
 
A Peril of Riches

Seventh Day of the Twelfth Month 294 AC

The destruction of Everfire Dale was for many a shock, a blow to the notion of Imperial invulnerability. For merchants who dealt in the many works of the Dale, it was a savage cut into their margins, enough so that a fair number of them went under sending ripples of insolvency out to their own creditors, until it was finally stopped by swift and decisive action by the Iron Bank working in conjunction with the Ministry of Trade and the Ministry of Taxation. Proposals for tax breaks were swiftly silenced as bad practice, for aid should come in the form of aid and not lifting one's dues to the state, but tax assessors were swiftly sent all across the realm to ensure that no one was still being taxed for goods which had been vaporized or melted into glass.

All the while, the Iron Bank quietly gave lie to its fearsome reputation, with reasonable offers of reimbursement and loan restructuring, though unlike many Imperial institutions in those months they did not widely publicize their deeds, for the Keyholders did not wish to 'show weakness' in a marketplace that was growing ever more competitive, in a world that was ever more perilous.

With the announcement that no new banks would be allowed to form west of the Narrow Sea for months yet, if not years, those same worthies breathed a sigh of relief. They had made the right choice. Uraka Breolis had presented it as the only choice, but even if she was right, that did not have to make it a good one, but it was clear now that the Imperator was willing to err on the side of professionalism and stability over favoring the folk of his birth realm. Profits would not be what they might have been, but then such was the nature of war. Only fools too blind to see farther than the tips of their noses would think that war was good for business, but still the aftermath of it could be, if one backed the winning side.

There had been some rumblings of late about expansion into the Sea of Fire, for the last two planar expansions had been most profitable and Ring of Keys was always looking for seconds on a feast as the saying went.

Peculiarly, Princeps Uraka was quick indeed to put paid any notions of quick profits. The new realms of the Imperium were wide and in the abstract perhaps a fair place to find new clients, but a people in the midst of a war to the knife are not inclined to buy into reconstruction loans. Still, there was one trade which Duchess Larissa was interested in making, a very straightforward trade yet still one with the potential to have consequences far reaching enough to end up on the Imperial desk.

Although the fleet of the Cobalt scales was non-existent, their capital pounded by enemy artillery and their people grimly determined to fight to the end, they yet possessed a reasonable treasury from more prosperous times, reasonable at least by the standards of a small state on the Sea of Fire, compared to the wealth of most nobles and magisters of the Imperium taken as individuals, it was staggering and its conversion to Imperial marks would tank the price of precious metals when the market had only just stabilized. It was estimated, and later divined that this would cause a second round of panic selling of precious metals and when the price corrected upwards to current standards eventually, it would lead to even more bad blood uniting in common outrage the fiscally incompetent from across two continents.

What do you do about the desire of Duchess Larissa to buy a great sum of marks with precious metals?

[] Let her do it, but spread the word that the fall in precious metal prices will be temporary this time, hopefully lightening the blow

[] Ask her to hold off for now, you do not need to deal with more economic shocks, though this will likely upset your new citizens

[] Write in


OOC: I am intentionally keeping the exact sum abstracted because the concept of money has been abstracted. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
 
[X] Ask her to hold off for now, you do not need to deal with more economic shocks, though this will likely upset your new citizens
 
We could put Rain's scheme into motion and propose warbonds...

And also, maybe propose some kind of partnership with the Queen? With the loss of the Dale, and our spreading out our manufacturing industry, we could always invest in both defenses and manufacturing on the Sea of Fire, where there's likely some things they can produce cheaper / of higher quality than could be done locally. This would boost their economy.
 
Maybe a hybrid option?
We can negotiate to avoid a currency crises and allow our new citizens to not feel shafted.

[] Let her do it, but spread the word that the fall in precious metal prices will be temporary this time, hopefully lightening the blow
-[] Speak to the bank and ministry of trade about the maximum number that can traded without disrupting the currency supply and price shocks to merchants. Only allow this amount to be traded at this time.
 
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[X] Ask her to hold off for now, you do not need to deal with more economic shocks, though this will likely upset your new citizens
-[X] See what industrial practices the Cobalt Scales are best at, and how much you could potentially invest into manufacturing here which would have a noticeable bump in their economy without compromising strategic goals or creating new vulnerabilities you couldn't armor over.
 
Added a third option of you guys just buying up all the precious metals, though at the cost of locking up resources until you can resell it.
Mechanically, how long would we have to hold onto it? I'm guessing with how shaky the market for these goods are, it basically guarantees we get no profit, but the name of the game is avoiding a loss but making gains in political favors.

We also don't have to buy up everything. Someone else close to us could speculate and buy-in as well.
 
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