OOC: That went a lot better than it could have, but not perfectly for you guys.
So what, thankful that the Imperium are mostly straight shooters when it comes to foreign policy with non-hostile states, but disgruntled because leaning on us when their court is still dragging their feet on closer relations is looking more difficult?

The problem as I see it is that both were rather more open to closer ties than the rest of the Summer Isles, and none have closer trade connections because of that deal we cut, but the benefits of our involvement include:

1) Skilled experts
2) Force projection
3) Immediate results

The detriments include shaking up the social order of things, but that will happen anyway if supernatural forces try doing a massive ritual of some sort or just launch a conventional invasion of the place.

So is their play "we'll try to go slowly while going slow is still an option", with deeper ties with us being treated like a panic button?

I think maybe we need more information on the players here, because it's always nice to be able to set up a fait accompli to get people to do what you want that doesn't rely on massive amounts of casualties.
 
So what, thankful that the Imperium are mostly straight shooters when it comes to foreign policy with non-hostile states, but disgruntled because leaning on us when their court is still dragging their feet on closer relations is looking more difficult?

The problem as I see it is that both were rather more open to closer ties than the rest of the Summer Isles, and none have closer trade connections because of that deal we cut, but the benefits of our involvement include:

1) Skilled experts
2) Force projection
3) Immediate results

The detriments include shaking up the social order of things, but that will happen anyway if supernatural forces try doing a massive ritual of some sort or just launch a conventional invasion of the place.

So is their play "we'll try to go slowly while going slow is still an option", with deeper ties with us being treated like a panic button?

I think maybe we need more information on the players here, because it's always nice to be able to set up a fait accompli to get people to do what you want that doesn't rely on massive amounts of casualties.

I cannot comment too much on this because you genuinely do not know the answers IC. Still you will get more actions in the area which can produce among other things answers.
 
The references to the steel throne are cool, but I can't help but wonder if that nickname is going to bite us in this particular area.

Given their issues with access to metals it's a half step from " The Cash Filled Bean Bag Chair".
 
The references to the steel throne are cool, but I can't help but wonder if that nickname is going to bite us in this particular area.

Given their issues with access to metals it's a half step from " The Cash Filled Bean Bag Chair".
We did make our first inroads selling them quite a bit of Everfire Steel in the first place. Not that terrible to remind them who their main suppliers are.
 
We did make our first inroads selling them quite a bit of Everfire Steel in the first place. Not that terrible to remind them who their main suppliers are.
Yeah, but since the anti-imperial sentiment seems to primarily be centered around the idea that we're too greedy invoking an image of a ruler so rich he can waste perfectly good weapon making material to put together a chair isn't the best look.
 
Yeah, but since the anti-imperial sentiment seems to primarily be centered around the idea that we're too greedy invoking an image of a ruler so rich he can waste perfectly good weapon making material to put together a chair isn't the best look.
I don't think we'll be served trying to paint ourselves as not greedy.

1) It's totally true
2) It's playing into their game

The way we win is saying even if we're greedy we're also their best defense no matter what the celestials have dangled in front of them.
 
I don't think we'll be served trying to paint ourselves as not greedy.

1) It's totally true
2) It's playing into their game

The way we win is saying even if we're greedy we're also their best defense no matter what the celestials have dangled in front of them.
I see your point, but leaning into it is playing into their game as well. I'm not suggesting that we try to convince them we aren't actually greedy, just that we should underplay it where we can.

Allowing the basis of our public relationship to devolve to "you don't have any better options" is effectively inviting them to find and take another deal at the first opportunity.

Ideally we'd also supply another narrative to recontextualize our behavior. Something like tying our mercantile ambitions to our current extraplanar conflicts "for the good of all mortalkind" might work.

It doesn't have to be true, just plausible and sympathetic enough that people can use it to convince themselves not to look any further into the matter.

As long as we're actively beneficial to them they'll be incentivized to continue doubling down until admitting that they were wrong becomes too painful to contemplate.
 
Hmm, I admit if I cared for keeping my realm I would not be happy about the dragon telling me of great dangers for it that he could solve.

We basically justified half our conquests with that reason (Tyrosh and Qohor being the strongest examples) and a lot of ignoring other people's sovereignity in our early career as well. Look at us killing magisters in Pentos, turning the Moss-Forge into our personal fortress in Lya and other such things.

It's a very easy thing to assume that when the Dragon says "You have a Far Realm infestation there", he means "and if you don't keep it in check, I will".

[X] Goldfish
 
Hmm, I admit if I cared for keeping my realm I would not be happy about the dragon telling me of great dangers for it that he could solve.

We basically justified half our conquests with that reason (Tyrosh and Qohor being the strongest examples) and a lot of ignoring other people's sovereignity in our early career as well. Look at us killing magisters in Pentos, turning the Moss-Forge into our personal fortress in Lya and other such things.

It's a very easy thing to assume that when the Dragon says "You have a Far Realm infestation there", he means "and if you don't keep it in check, I will".

That is getting warm, you are still missing element of what caused the issue though.
 
It shows off disgusting divination capability -beyond their own-, alongside the casual willingness to target it inside other polities. To them, it's intimidation and mockery both.

[X] Goldfish
 
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Interlude MCCXXX: Blood Tithe
Blood Tithe

Thirteenth Day of the Eleventh Month 294 AC

Ritual Chamber, the Palace of the Archon, Volantis

On the very day that Zherys Naethyreon had risen to the peak of power behind the Black Wall, he had begun delving them for the chamber, black dragonstone now polished to a shine now gleamed in the light of gilded lanterns of unwavering flame, an ancient altar of Balerion reconsecrated to arcane purpose and brought here in haste. Well, the altar had been here since the start but the polish had taken a while longer. It could not really be helped. When else, after all, would he have found sacrifices of such an old and venerable line who were at once fools and daemons' puppets whose deaths would be celebrated in the streets rather than questioned?

He smiled now, thinking of how petty the uses he had found for the blood of his foes then; empowering the palace wards, spying on Benerro to ensure the truce held, he had even bound one soul into his arcanist's ring to make it more responsive to his will in a duel when all he would have had to do would have been to seek a more skilled enchanter for the task and he would not now get distracted in odd moments by the sound of distant weeping.

These days it would be more trouble than it was worth to obtain a permit to do the same; submit his work for review by a Scholarum certified board and even then the Inquisition could refuse to actually give into his keeping a prisoner which could be legally sacrificed. More red tape than red blood really. The dark haired sorcerer winced at his own thought. For someone who thought of puns as the lowest form of humor he was unfortunately quite sensitive in recognizing them.

Still, that did not mean he had sealed away his Athame. There was after all no injunction and far less paperwork in spilling the blood of those merely of bestial intellect.

Another man might have flinched at the bloodcurdling screech that came out of the darkness of the far chamber, but Zherys merely motioned the specifically crafted servitors, Seeker variants, to fetch the centerpiece of the ritual. Unnaturally strong though they may have been they still struggled with it and not without cause. On the stony shores of Sothoryos there dwelt still a breed of wyvern as feral as the dragons of Valyria in its later years, though thankfully not as large or as powerful, easy enough for a skilled hunter to track, though capturing one alive had been quite the premium.

"You shall have to do I suppose," he said unheard by any but the mute servitors. He could feel the magic surging within the beast, not the all consuming flame of its greater kin, but enough for his purposes. It would have cost far more, not in marks but favor, to make use of a feral dragon and while he did not object being in dept to the throne for most things, the thought that he might fail and that it would be known thereby was unacceptable.

If the ritual failed he had contingencies, three of them in fact, though the third would actually be worse then simply asking for a dragon and then having nothing to show for it.

Ah, my palms are sweating, the mage realized. I cannot even blame the heat given the preliminary ward-work.

There was something almost dance-like, almost gentle about the way he raised the dagger, chanting arcane phrases and moving in sympathy to the motions of the heavens and the turning of the tides of molten stone deep beneath the earth, yet there was no trance here, no mage lost in the flow of magic. The craftsman who has mastered working all his life by candlelight will not be overcome working in the plain light of day no matter how grand the working.

The blade flashed like the cold sickle moon over dead mountains, one dragon-kin died... and another ascended.

Scales grew and fire flashed, flesh like water flowed and it was all as easy as breathing, as easy as sorcery that was his birthright of old. Zherys Naethyreon roared his victory, like thunder in the depths of the earth.

OOC: I felt that it would make sense to lean into Zherys' actual skills in getting that spell rather than just 'he dreamed it like any other spell'. Mechanically it is the same of course.
 
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he had even bound one soul into his arcanist's ring to make it more responsive to his will in a duel when all he would have had to do would have been to seek a more skilled enchanter for the task and he would not now get distracted in odd moments by the sound of distant weeping.
Oof.
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But does that grant him an actual mechanical bonus, or was he just improving subpar enchantment work? :p
 
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