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[X] A charm such as this can only be put to the test by the best. Find Zhuan Kun!
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Tbh this is possibly the most in character and compelling reasoning for Zhi not taking the charm himself that I'm legimitately suprised it hasn't been brought up by now.
Zhi detests the idea of using other people's charms, with the closest he's ever come involving Fa asking him to pitch in for security charms for the Tower, which caused him to have a psychotic break at the temerity of the idea and which he deeply regretted afterwards despite the fact it wasn't something he was personally using with the tower being a shared residence with the twins.
Knight-Radiant
Recovering Rageaholic
This is wrong.
While it is true that Zhi has an aversion to using common "Commercial" made in bulk charms, we known he is willing to use well made charms other people have designed.
Like the Rainbow Eyes, which he only only the assembly work on, or the Wolf Bracelet he used for the deer fight.
Hell, brother Wugui specifically asked him if he'd be willing to use charms made by others or would it be a problem, and Zhi swallowed his initial distaste and pride and said it wouldn't be an issue.
Plus, his prejudice against "common" everyday charms is a flaw I'd like to see him work on because it's kinda dickish of him to be that dismissive imo.
[X] Yes, you may as well. You want everyone to be able to put forward their best effort in this competition.
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I fail to see why it won't work after Fractal View is complete.Having a lot of friends in the care business, stuff Shouxi does in the hospital pretty much sums up the usual of what they have to go through. Boli though...
Anyways on the matter of the vote:
To those voting no because it gives....
1.)Sense of Bribery- honestly we're the sole judge and though its understandable people will think on us unfavorably, this only becomes true if we don't do our job as a judge. How can it be unfair when the charm being judged requires a specific target to work- and that's only from someone who Boli has set before hand prior to completing his charm. Can you say to Boli he's exploiting the system if said judge was called to test his charm?
Yes, but only becuase it is within bounds of this charmcrafter's competition. It will be on Kong Zhi's to judge the rest of the creations along with Boli's to come through as fair and honorable. Frankly, at this state its more biased towards the function part though. He'll need to refine on the form/facade of his creation at the moment. Impressive nontheless.
2.) Because Zhuan Kun is a stranger and probably on bad terms to Mo- there is no mention nor rumor (at least as far as I know) that the Zhuans are not in good terms with the Mos. Being a rival and having a slight against Zhuan Kun are two different conditions. We could actually be on the good graces of both Zhuan Kun and Mo Hanying if we play this right.
From all the rumors and from what our first interaction we have with Zhuan Kun, we know that aside from his duties, the man's obssessed with being the best in terms of beating the ever living heavens out of people. He's somewhat like us except that instead of crafting all he does is training. What better way to earn his good graces than having recommended him to a charm that requires his absolute best and even beyond! As the saying goes, you can't beat your enemy if you can't beat yourself at the game.
As for Mo Hanying, she's here for the fame and support of the local charmcrafters. She's probably inspired from her own bad luck with the defective Jin charm. What's one more happy noble gracing her event? The message and prestige she'll get from even having a Zhuan there would do wonders to her already high social prestige and massively counterbalance whatever the Geng has in store for her. With Zhi as a judge it takes no brains to figure said advantages will also flow down to include us.
So!
[X] A charm such as this can only be put to the test by the best. Find Zhuan Kun!
Also the calibrations will not work once we use the Fractal View charm. The alterations to our form will invalidate the previous work that Boli put into it.
As Boli said
Unless we pester him to edit his charm afterwards (can this be done?/terribly inefficient use of our time), make a new one or Kong Zhi maintaining his form/scrap the Fractal View, this charm is ultimately not for Zhi.
Tempering/using another crafter's charm would also be heressy for Zhi...
It's a charm that's tailor made to push the user to the limit and an Artist's limits can change drastically after integrating techniques, gaining insights etc maybe even more so than getting your form changed.
Then the charm would be useless for any artist.
The idea that the charm is perfect for Zhuan Kun and that it'll be useless for anyone undergoing a spike in capability doesn't really match.
That's not true, KZ was able to use the requisitioned 'Wolf Breaks Fast' without... too much angst.
1) KZ's reluctance seems much more of a reoccurring meta-joke as opposed to actual inability
2) I think the operative part quoted above is '...constructed by rote memorization...', is probably the thing that bothers KZ the most, and while we don't exactly know how common these training rooms are, Boli's seems to be less uniform, especially if there is a degree of customisation via specific user tuning.
So I don't think 'KZ has issues with other peoples charms' is a particular reason not to accept the bribe, principally because of 2 reasons.Zhi being melodramatic said:
1) KZ's reluctance seems much more of a reoccurring meta-joke as opposed to actual inability
2) I think the operative part quoted above is '...constructed by rote memorization...', is probably the thing that bothers KZ the most, and while we don't exactly know how common these training rooms are, Boli's seems to be less uniform, especially if there is a degree of customisation via specific user tuning.
Yeah, I was wrong on that part.
I also would like to help wean Zhi of his distaste for common charms.
But we also have an oppurtunity to help consolidate the major houses of our batch in our favor. Geng Tu is just around the corner and he will not wait for us to be "strong enough" to disuade his influence. Every bit against him helps.
Besides, our tasks in our Court will no doubt expose us to many charms for us to wear off our disgust of "cheap/monotone" charms. With our popularity in the sects charmcrafting circles, we may also have to go through charms someday down the line or by need in our future travels.
Knight-Radiant
Recovering Rageaholic
One thing I would like to point out.
People wanted to test our using Chui Dao as a weapon when we sparred with our friends, yet it was pointed out that no way would Kong Zhi be comfortable subjecting his friends to that.
Well... here is a test dummy that we could try using Chui Dao on with no worry about hurting anyone, not only that, but we could also use it to test the effects of other charms and techs.
Do the whole worry about outgrowing the thing is less of an issue to Kong Zhi, as even when the Created sparring dummy isn't a perfect match, we'd still have a good use for it.
ALSO! Remember how much ot cost to hire a disciple to tank a technique for testing/training purposes? We'd never need to pay that cost, and could even let our friends use the charm too so they can test their techs for free
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[X] Yes, you may as well. You want everyone to be able to put forward their best effort in this competition.
You have a point...
So to me, it now boils down to do we want possible personal power over possible nobility clout/friends?
But what's to stop us making our own better personal training aid in the future? Not to mention the anam costs required to charge this hulking monstrosity every time we use it. We also lose out social/martial exp if we just let our friends test it on the charm instead of us (injury free though)?
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Knight-Radiant
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Time, prior commitments, and plot.
We still have to make Jai Fa's axe, which has been on the backburner for months. Let alone finish our Own charm which has taken nearly a month and a half of game time.
And that's not taking into account finsing a source or royalty, integrating our techs, and whatever other assignments and plot stuff we are going going be getting.
(Getting a replacement archer tech so we can Sell VR for one)
So while we totally COULD make a charm like this for ourself, we are very, VERY, unlikely to. Even tho it would be awesome to have
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[X] Yes, you may as well. You want everyone to be able to put forward their best effort in this competition.
A good point for accepting the charm is that we can try Chui Dao on it without fear of hurting our friends.
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[X] Yes, you may as well. You want everyone to be able to put forward their best effort in this competition.
This one has actually won me over because of some conversation in the discord, that Boli's charm will be a perfect tool for testing out all of our weird shit until something breaks. We can see how Chui Dao works on a target that doesn't care, and while it might be a bribe, it's less likely to appear as a bribe if we do out absolute best to push the limits. It's calibrated to us, but what happens if we pull out something that appears to be a kukuni and start smacking things? Will it be damaged by Warhound's Cry? Would Shatter the Mirror make it explode? We should be the one to answer these questions, because there's nobody better at stress-testing weird shit except maybe Sun.
tldr if we do our best to make the charm explode from wildly improper use and judge it on resilience, it'll be funny and cool.
This one has actually won me over because of some conversation in the discord, that Boli's charm will be a perfect tool for testing out all of our weird shit until something breaks. We can see how Chui Dao works on a target that doesn't care, and while it might be a bribe, it's less likely to appear as a bribe if we do out absolute best to push the limits. It's calibrated to us, but what happens if we pull out something that appears to be a kukuni and start smacking things? Will it be damaged by Warhound's Cry? Would Shatter the Mirror make it explode? We should be the one to answer these questions, because there's nobody better at stress-testing weird shit except maybe Sun.
tldr if we do our best to make the charm explode from wildly improper use and judge it on resilience, it'll be funny and cool.
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[X] Unfortunately we would be a poor choice for such an endeavor. We're working on a project which would likely alter the constraints he's looking to use. He will need to find someone else.
I don't think revealing our hidden trump card for all to see would be a good idea. But other than that these are all good points.
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Our baseform would still be what Kong zhi is now, so it's not like using the charm we're making would make the training charm useless
Vesvius
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As far as Zhi can tell, it would involve basically tapping his core to allow power readings, trying a few techniques to allow proper training tools to be built in, and a few minutes of martial technique sparring. So nothing strenuous.
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I see your point, but also, nobody knows we haven't reached full integration with it, so it's still going to be more dangerous than they expect, but now more people are intimidated by us.
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Just follow Mo's lead and turn friendship into unlimited power.Braincell voting process status:
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[X] No, you should not. You should avoid any appearance of impropriety
After future consideration I don't want to risk it. If someone sabotaged this thing, I don't want us to be known as the one who blew up a noble Scions.
After future consideration I don't want to risk it. If someone sabotaged this thing, I don't want us to be known as the one who blew up a noble Scions.