Quick suggestions about both plans. You should put in place a evacuation for our scientist and research material. After all if any of that equipment or research or the scientists for who have the knowledge in their heads that will put us back a few years at least depending on the damage. Another reason why we should evacuate them is in case a firefight actually happens we don't have to protect them or they get in the way or a hostage situation happens.
And I don't just mean the Petrusite research facility there are many other research facilities in that city since it's well one is our capital and the other one is very important. And plus there's multiple spies there's some that are already in the city who are off the grid. They could split in teams and target specific research facilities most likely they will target the Petrusite But that does not mean they will not target another research facility.
 
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Quick question about both plans. You should put in place a evacuation for our scientist and research material. After all if any of that equipment or research or the scientists for who have the knowledge in their heads that will put us back a few years at least depending on the damage. Another reason why we should evacuate them is in case a firefight actually happens we don't have to protect them or they get in the way or a hostage situation happens.
And I don't just mean the Petrusite research facility there are many other research facilities in that city since it's well one is our capital and the other one is very important. And plus there's multiple spies there's some that are already in the city who are off the grid. They could split in teams and target specific research facilities most likely they will target the Petrusite But that does not mean they will not target another research facility.

Its faster, and better, to just have the locations lock down then to try and evacuate a bunch of people without a pre-existing plan.
 
Quick suggestions about both plans. You should put in place a evacuation for our scientist and research material. After all if any of that equipment or research or the scientists for who have the knowledge in their heads that will put us back a few years at least depending on the damage. Another reason why we should evacuate them is in case a firefight actually happens we don't have to protect them or they get in the way or a hostage situation happens.
And I don't just mean the Petrusite research facility there are many other research facilities in that city since it's well one is our capital and the other one is very important. And plus there's multiple spies there's some that are already in the city who are off the grid. They could split in teams and target specific research facilities most likely they will target the Petrusite But that does not mean they will not target another research facility.
I actually like the idea, treat it like an active shooter situation and just quietly advise the facility heads to either shelter or evacuate. They'll either go into lockdown or send people home and we have an excuse to surround the areas with gendarmes and police without causing a panic. I've amended my plan accordingly.
 
[X] Write In: "Murderer hunt": Bring the local police and public transport (through the mayor if necessary) on board to locate the spies , frame it as a prison break by several violent criminals who are a danger to the public. Circulate the faces and assumed names of the spies publicly to get the public onboard but emphasize that security forces are hot on the trail. Mark the spies as "armed and dangerous" and that if people spot the spies then they should get away from them and place a police report.Lock the trains down and send in the Gendarmes to capture the spies then send agents to bring the spies in under the guise of the prison service reclaiming them for transfer to a super-max facility. Quietly Contact the Petrusite facilities Head of Security and advise them to enter a state of raised security awareness due to the ongoing anti-smuggler operations until provided an all clear, cite the smugglers apparent possession of Petrusite equipment places them at risk of intrusion, and to initiate a lockdown if they deem it necessary. Request all petrusite facilities to perform a stockpile and security audit as part of a new series of regular checks for facilities storing and handling such a dangerous material. Quietly inform the heads of petrusite research centres and universities that there have been reports of the "escaped individuals" near to their premises and that they should look towards either sheltering in place or evacuating but suggest that an evacuation would be preffered. This also allows us to station police and gendarme units around such facilities without arousing too much suspicion.
 
I actually like the idea, treat it like an active shooter situation and just quietly advise the facility heads to either shelter or evacuate. They'll either go into lockdown or send people home and we have an excuse to surround the areas with gendarmes and police without causing a panic. I've amended my plan accordingly.

the problem with this is that we are not dealing with a shooting, we are dealing with spies. sending people home risks them being nabbed or shot on the way back.
 
That is how you create a panic, people will see gendarmes and soldiers flooding the streets and assume the worst. Given we've already had a nuke go off in Phyrrus I'll give you 3 guesses as to what people will assume is happening which is only made worse once you try to seal the city, issue a terror alert and reveal the presence of foreign spies. This plan will turn a spy hunt into chaos as people try to flee the affected cities rather than help us find the spies. For a city-wide lockdown a hunt for a murderer or sealing it to keep a pandemic under control (as China did for their big cities) is far more effective since people are more readily able to envision the benefits and the risk is much more nebulous.


[] Write In: "Murderer hunt": Bring the local police and public transport (through the mayor if necessary) on board to locate the spies , frame it as a prison break by several violent criminals who are a danger to the public. Circulate the faces and assumed names of the spies publicly to get the public onboard but emphasize that security forces are hot on the trail. Mark the spies as "armed and dangerous" and that if people spot the spies then they should get away from them and place a police report.Lock the trains down and send in the Gendarmes to capture the spies then send agents to bring the spies in under the guise of the prison service reclaiming them for transfer to a super-max facility. Quietly Contact the Petrusite facilities Head of Security and advise them to enter a state of raised security awareness due to the ongoing anti-smuggler operations until provided an all clear, cite the smugglers apparent possession of Petrusite equipment places them at risk of intrusion, and to initiate a lockdown if they deem it necessary. Request all petrusite facilities to perform a stockpile and security audit as part of a new series of regular checks for facilities storing and handling such a dangerous material. Quietly inform the heads of petrusite research centres and universities that there have been reports of the "escaped individuals" near to their premises and that they should look towards either sheltering in place or evacuating but suggest that an evacuation would be preffered. This also allows us to station police and gendarme units around such facilities without arousing too much suspicion.

A slight modification of the smuggler round-up plan that allows us to go semi-public but keeps the real details of the matter hidden without creating a panic.

Maybe people panic, but I doubt it considering the history of Helghast. Also lying to the people is never a good idea in a democracy or republic as it deeply erodes public trust in the state and all it's institutions. I for one have faith that the people will act responsibly and allow us to resolve this as quickly and peacefully as possible.
 
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the problem with this is that we are not dealing with a shooting, we are dealing with spies. sending people home risks them being nabbed or shot on the way back.
If you frame it as an "active shooter" or suspected shooter then the facilities in question are able to be secured without raising suspicion from the general public. Sure, we're actually dealing with spies not a shooting but it's a cover story to protect our petrusite research.

Maybe our people panic, but I doubt it considering the history of Helghast. Also lying to the people is never a good idea in a democracy or republic as it deeply erodes public trust in the state and all it's institutions. I for one have faith that the people will act responsibly and allow us to resolve this as quickly and peacefully as possible.
They would panic, they've enjoyed a long period of relative prosperity with no secret police and a much more comfortqable standard of living. Many people from the older generation would still panic at the city being locked down over a terrorist threat and the the younger generation absolutely would. I would also note that if you think no democratic government or republic hasn't lied to protect it's people then you have a somewhat naive worldview. Look back as far as WW2 where even when we knew where the bombs were going to fall in the UK the general public weren't told to prevent a panic. That didn't erode peoples trust in the government, people took it as a given that being told might warn German spies that we had broken Enigma. Hell, in Glasgow/Clydebank my gran says the only warning they got that there would be a raid that night was that you would see the light from the furnaces at the foundry go out.

You'll also have to excuse me if I lack faith in the human herd mentality acting responsibly, all it takes is for the announcement to put people on edge then for a handful of people to start panicking once they see the city is sealed. At that point you have hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of people beginning to panic as word spreads that they've been sealed in a city with what seems to be a major terror threat and no other information. By nature peoples minds will jump the the worst case scenario of a bioweapon or nuke and then your checkpoints are innundated with hordes of people trying to flee once again look back at news reports of the massive lines of cars trying to leave Beijing when it was locked down. Now take that image then add the people who are trying to get out on foot because of the blocked roads.

Yes, in the UK we've had terror threats and let the police deal with it because it was either just a slight raise in the alert level with no stopping of trains or large-scale manhunt or because we knew it was, for example, one man on London bridge with a knife. The Novichok scare too we were told what everything as it unfolded but that it was confined to a single town where people were being tested and the town swept to make sure the nerve agent was gone, at no stage was the town jusy sealed under a "terrorist threat" with no explanation of what was heppening. We knew it was either just a warning to keep an eye out and nothing else or a small-ish scale incident that was already very visibly being dealth with. The way the "oh shit, oh shit" plan deals with it does nothing but leave people uncertain and frightened for no good reason.

After the situation is dealth with we could possibly come clean and I would actually personally prefer to be told after the fact that the manhunt was actually to rounding up of a hostile spy ring. Most of the people I know feel the same way, it's better to know that the security services have bent the truth to avoid a panic while dealing with a problem than to hide everything and let peoples minds run riot.
 
They funded the Durban deal with art from a Capellan private collection that was siezed by the Mandate in their purges, Comstar is good, but not that good. Odds are the Mandate figured out we were supplying everyone against them with equipment during the 4rth succession war and were a mite miffed and curious. Not to mention there is evidence that they were behind the Portland raid as well.

Just as an FYI for C*. With the OTL attack on the NAIS by the "Death Commandos" [Read: ComGuards] not only duplicated the actual Death Commandos in exact mechs fielded... when the AFFS analyzed the wreckage of the Death Commandos on Kathil and the "Death Commandos" on New Avalon... for an example... the Marauder downed by Hanse Davion had the exact same serial numbers on it's parts as the one downed by the Kathil Uhlans. And this was true of every 'Mech and every part.

Comstar is good.
 
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Just as an FYI for C*. With the OTL attack on the NAIS by the "Death Commandos" [Read: ComGuards] not only duplicated the actual Death Commandos in exact mechs fielded... when the AFFS analyzed the wreckage of the Death Commandos on Kathil and the "Death Commandos" on New Avalon... for an example... the Marauder downed by Hanse Davion had the exact same serial numbers on it's parts as the one downed by the Kathil Uhlans. And this was true of every 'Mech and every part.

Comstar is good.

Maybe, we have been told by the QM that ROM is not as broken good as they are in cannon however. And we do not have the resources to chase metaphorical paranoia driven ghosts, not to mention such actions would be meta-gaming given the Republic has zero reason to suspect Comstar of anything. Odds are these guys are from the Celestial Mandate, whom are building off of the CCs original efforts before they got triple teamed.
 
[X] Write In: "Smuggler" Round-up: Bring the local police and public transport (through the mayor if necessary) on board to locate the spies , saying we are pursuing wanted individuals as part of the smuggling operation earlier in the year. Emphasize the need to keep this quite to prevent from spooking the targets further. Lock the trains down and send in the Gendarmes to capture the spies then send agents to bring the targeted civilians into protected custody citing them being at risk and begin a missing persons search for the missing one. Quietly Contact the Petrusite facilities Head of Security and advise them to enter a state of raised security awareness due to an ongoing anti-smuggler operation until provided an all clear, cite the smugglers apparent possession of Petrusite equipment places them at risk of intrusion, and to initiate a lockdown if they deem it necessary.
 
Now what happened if they are not go to our research facilities but to our government buildings. After all they are going to our capital. What if they decide to change targets since they notice how well secure our research facilities are.
But I highly doubt they would do this. That's because they're spies and they're trained for this mission and they done heavily reserach about the place that are going to attack. Plus all the hints our game master has given us.
 
If you frame it as an "active shooter" or suspected shooter then the facilities in question are able to be secured without raising suspicion from the general public. Sure, we're actually dealing with spies not a shooting but it's a cover story to protect our petrusite research.


They would panic, they've enjoyed a long period of relative prosperity with no secret police and a much more comfortqable standard of living. Many people from the older generation would still panic at the city being locked down over a terrorist threat and the the younger generation absolutely would. I would also note that if you think no democratic government or republic hasn't lied to protect it's people then you have a somewhat naive worldview. Look back as far as WW2 where even when we knew where the bombs were going to fall in the UK the general public weren't told to prevent a panic. That didn't erode peoples trust in the government, people took it as a given that being told might warn German spies that we had broken Enigma. Hell, in Glasgow/Clydebank my gran says the only warning they got that there would be a raid that night was that you would see the light from the furnaces at the foundry go out.

You'll also have to excuse me if I lack faith in the human herd mentality acting responsibly, all it takes is for the announcement to put people on edge then for a handful of people to start panicking once they see the city is sealed. At that point you have hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of people beginning to panic as word spreads that they've been sealed in a city with what seems to be a major terror threat and no other information. By nature peoples minds will jump the the worst case scenario of a bioweapon or nuke and then your checkpoints are innundated with hordes of people trying to flee once again look back at news reports of the massive lines of cars trying to leave Beijing when it was locked down. Now take that image then add the people who are trying to get out on foot because of the blocked roads.

Yes, in the UK we've had terror threats and let the police deal with it because it was either just a slight raise in the alert level with no stopping of trains or large-scale manhunt or because we knew it was, for example, one man on London bridge with a knife. The Novichok scare too we were told what everything as it unfolded but that it was confined to a single town where people were being tested and the town swept to make sure the nerve agent was gone, at no stage was the town jusy sealed under a "terrorist threat" with no explanation of what was heppening. We knew it was either just a warning to keep an eye out and nothing else or a small-ish scale incident that was already very visibly being dealth with. The way the "oh shit, oh shit" plan deals with it does nothing but leave people uncertain and frightened for no good reason.

After the situation is dealth with we could possibly come clean and I would actually personally prefer to be told after the fact that the manhunt was actually to rounding up of a hostile spy ring. Most of the people I know feel the same way, it's better to know that the security services have bent the truth to avoid a panic while dealing with a problem than to hide everything and let peoples minds run riot.

I said to to go public with the spies so it wouldn't be a nebulous terrorist threat. They fought a bitter war for freedom against a tyrannical fascist regime. They've seen some shit. They know how important it is to work together in a situation like this. They will be pissed if the government starts lying to them.

A long period of prosperity would make the people more likely to trust the authorities and less likely to panic, although it hasn't been that long really since the civil war.

Democratic governments regularly withhold information for security reasons, i.e. Classified for national security, that is very different from lying. In a functional democracy people go to jail or get fired for lying to the public.

Only in failing or dysfunctional democracies do people get away with that. Given the Helghan actions so far in this quest, it does not seem to fall into that category.

The UK during WW2 didn't see massive civilian panic, despite the freaking Blitz and NAZIs controlling Europe. By and large a pretty good example of how people handle such news, and that is far worse than what I suggested in my plan.

They withheld information about enigma for long term strategic advantage. Though that is still controversial to this day due to the Coventry raid.

Beijing is a terrible example for reasons that are numerous and obvious.

There might be some trouble if they give an evacuation order, though I think that would be isolated incidents. People might panic after an actual nuclear blast. Even then they might not, as people tend to come together to help each other in an emergency.

Mob mentality can get people to do stupid things if they are already in a massive crowd, otherwise there have have to be other underlying issues in a society to get them to riot.

Those cities can stay calm for a day or two while they catch those guys.

The kind of mass panic you're describing is only real in movies. Seriously? A couple of cities get a warning in there area, hear what the government is doing in response and decide to collectively lose there mind and flee the area in mass, rather than say go home and wait for further news.
 
Do we have any evidence to suggest that the spies are going after the Petrusite/Petrusite Research/research institutions in general as opposed to say, the seat of government? I mean, if this is actually the Capellans instead of Com* posing as Capellans then it's possible this could be them trying to decapitate the state in advance of a military assault on the Reach.

It's crazy and a terrible atrocity, but it also sounds like the sort of thing Romano would order in an attempt to prevent the Rebublic from moving to support the Reach - ORDI is new and untested enough that without Helghans immediately moving the Taurians/Canopians could easily be considered to be slower and less full-throated to support the Reach, and a surprise invasion from the Mandate when much of the Reach's forces are in known positions on the border could put them in a strong position to pick up valuable clay.
 
lets not make things worse then we know them too be.

we have a number of spy`s running around doing who knows what.
lets not panic and let the system do its job.
 
Do we have any evidence to suggest that the spies are going after the Petrusite/Petrusite Research/research institutions in general as opposed to say, the seat of government? I mean, if this is actually the Capellans instead of Com* posing as Capellans then it's possible this could be them trying to decapitate the state in advance of a military assault on the Reach.

It's crazy and a terrible atrocity, but it also sounds like the sort of thing Romano would order in an attempt to prevent the Rebublic from moving to support the Reach - ORDI is new and untested enough that without Helghans immediately moving the Taurians/Canopians could easily be considered to be slower and less full-throated to support the Reach, and a surprise invasion from the Mandate when much of the Reach's forces are in known positions on the border could put them in a strong position to pick up valuable clay.

The spy ring has been focusing on Petrusite research facilities over basically everything else other than general culture. To me that says they are collecting information to train/condition their deep insert spies (which is why they are picking out civies to replace) and anything that looks interesting that might give them the edge they are looking for to eventually retake the CC. Given that Petrusite is literally the only tech that we are keeping to ourselves it makes sense that they are focusing on it, its new and unknown.

As for going after government buildings, honestly i don't think the Mandate actually wants to fight anyone, they are in no position to do so right now, they are to weak and are to internally unstable to manage any real conflict, and blowing up our government stuff risks conflict.
 
Should probably set a few platoons of troopers in Overlords on rapid response just outside of city limits in order to address crisis points.

As for going after government buildings, honestly i don't think the Mandate actually wants to fight anyone, they are in no position to do so right now, they are to weak and are to internally unstable to manage any real conflict, and blowing up our government stuff risks conflict.
It was mentioned they somewhat expected another RAT, and an external enemy is sometimes good for internal stability. So IF this is purely a Cappellan action then they can say that they disrupted a sneak attack by a preemptive strike. Under the assumption that they will be attacked anyway because they are showing weakness, and it is only a Periphery nation.
 
Should probably set a few platoons of troopers in Overlords on rapid response just outside of city limits in order to address crisis points.


It was mentioned they somewhat expected another RAT, and an external enemy is sometimes good for internal stability. So IF this is purely a Cappellan action then they can say that they disrupted a sneak attack by a preemptive strike. Under the assumption that they will be attacked anyway because they are showing weakness, and it is only a Periphery nation.

I highly doubt it, given the state of the AC and that we have a defensive pact there is little reason to attack them.
 
I highly doubt it, given the state of the AC and that we have a defensive pact there is little reason to attack them.
You are looking at it from our perspective. Rather than the basis of a fallen Successor State and all the history of the Inner Sphere they are steeped in. That we aren't planning to do so doesn't mean that they can afford to take the risk that that is the case when the Periphery States and the House Lords are traditional enemies.

Speaking of which, which of the Cappellan fragments border the worlds the Taurians took?
 
[X] Write In: "Murderer hunt": Bring the local police and public transport (through the mayor if necessary) on board to locate the spies , frame it as a prison break by several violent criminals who are a danger to the public. Circulate the faces and assumed names of the spies publicly to get the public onboard but emphasize that security forces are hot on the trail. Mark the spies as "armed and dangerous" and that if people spot the spies then they should get away from them and place a police report.Lock the trains down and send in the Gendarmes to capture the spies then send agents to bring the spies in under the guise of the prison service reclaiming them for transfer to a super-max facility. Quietly Contact the Petrusite facilities Head of Security and advise them to enter a state of raised security awareness due to the ongoing anti-smuggler operations until provided an all clear, cite the smugglers apparent possession of Petrusite equipment places them at risk of intrusion, and to initiate a lockdown if they deem it necessary. Request all petrusite facilities to perform a stockpile and security audit as part of a new series of regular checks for facilities storing and handling such a dangerous material. Quietly inform the heads of petrusite research centres and universities that there have been reports of the "escaped individuals" near to their premises and that they should look towards either sheltering in place or evacuating but suggest that an evacuation would be preferred. This also allows us to station police and gendarme units around such facilities without arousing too much suspicion.
 
Should probably set a few platoons of troopers in Overlords on rapid response just outside of city limits in order to address crisis points.
We don't have overlords. The Overlord II is a squad transport. Also again having troops is impossible to hide and will cause panic. The people we are assigning are those trained and experienced in this kind of operation.
You are looking at it from our perspective. Rather than the basis of a fallen Successor State and all the history of the Inner Sphere they are steeped in. That we aren't planning to do so doesn't mean that they can afford to take the risk that that is the case when the Periphery States and the House Lords are traditional enemies.

Speaking of which, which of the Cappellan fragments border the worlds the Taurians took?
Not really even from the perspective of the Mandate a war is the last thing they want. The Big Mac is the majority of their current power. They already have too much influence and they would not want them getting even more. Remember Ramona is right now mostly a figurehead and she is unlikely to want to be giving away more of power to the military.

Also the inner sphere is the enemy because they are "others". The Inner Sphere has ignored the Periphery mostly since the end of the Periphery uprising before the Amaris Civil Wars.
 
[X] Write In: "Murderer hunt": Bring the local police and public transport (through the mayor if necessary) on board to locate the spies , frame it as a prison break by several violent criminals who are a danger to the public. Circulate the faces and assumed names of the spies publicly to get the public onboard but emphasize that security forces are hot on the trail. Mark the spies as "armed and dangerous" and that if people spot the spies then they should get away from them and place a police report. Lock the trains down and send in the Gendarmes to capture the spies then send agents to bring the spies in under the guise of the prison service reclaiming them for transfer to a super-max facility. Quietly Contact the Petrusite facilities Head of Security and advise them to enter a state of raised security awareness due to the ongoing anti-smuggler operations until provided an all clear, cite the smugglers apparent possession of Petrusite equipment places them at risk of intrusion, and to initiate a lockdown if they deem it necessary. Request all petrusite facilities to perform a stockpile and security audit as part of a new series of regular checks for facilities storing and handling such a dangerous material.
 
For some reason the tally doesn't have me voting for my own plan so i am putting my in now.

Edit: still didn't should up right... wierd

[x] Write In: "Smuggler" Round-up: Bring the local police and public transport (through the mayor if necessary) on board to locate the spies , saying we are pursuing wanted individuals as part of the smuggling operation earlier in the year. Emphasize the need to keep this quite to prevent from spooking the targets further. Lock the trains down and send in the Gendarmes to capture the spies on said trains, then send agents to bring the targeted civilians into protected custody citing them being at risk and begin a missing persons search for the missing one. Quietly Contact the Petrusite facilities Head of Security and advise them to enter a state of raised security awareness due to an ongoing anti-smuggler operation until provided an all clear, cite the smugglers apparent possession of Petrusite equipment places them at risk of intrusion, and to initiate a lockdown if they deem it necessary.
 
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