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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Jack_Trade said:
Isn't that only really in and around Sarnor and therefor not a factor for colonizing say Volaena or Rhaesh Diwe or other places far enough away from the Sarnori Undead?
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Not really.
While most of the Sarnori dead stayed in their former borders there are also Undead Dothraki Khalasars now and those will hunt everywhere the Dothraki have traveled in life.
 
I do wonder though how long Zherys will tolerate that "Little Cousin" from Relath.
There's a lot of pride beneath the politician, a lot of Sorcerer.

And he knows Relath wouldn't hold it against him if they fight a duel.
 
Wow, new rating. At least it is a weekend when I can actually read the posts.

By the way, I expect The Bucket Meister, Doran and maybe Saan to lead their own factions.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
I do wonder though how long Zherys will tolerate that "Little Cousin" from Relath.
There's a lot of pride beneath the politician, a lot of Sorcerer.

And he knows Relath wouldn't hold it against him if they fight a duel.
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Zherys may be prideful, but I think he prefers proving his superiority by winning rather than whipping out some measuring tape for an impromptu contest.

If it's getting under his skin at all he's more likely to express is by finding a way to exploit Relath more throughly than fight him in my opinion.
 
Braavos is definitely going to be it's own faction, with Lorath and maybe Maekar the Mongrel as allies.

Not seeing Doran lead anything except maybe a group of die hard loyalists. He is getting nothing but The Good Shit right now from everything we do and his main objective would be to keep the good times going.

Saan is more likely to stay independent and to sell his vote to whatever cause happens to be the most profitable for him at the time.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Zherys may be prideful, but I think he prefers proving his superiority by winning rather than whipping out some measuring tape for an impromptu contest.

If it's getting under his skin at all he's more likely to express is by finding a way to exploit Relath more throughly than fight him in my opinion.
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I guess it depends on how thick that dragonblood in him really his.
Political solutions are acceptable at times, but less viscerally satisfying.
 
Azel said:
Not seeing Doran lead anything except maybe a group of die hard loyalists. He is getting nothing but The Good Shit right now from everything we do and his main objective would be to keep the good times going.
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Doran, Velaryon, Brune, Asha and some more form a party created only to style on those who did not jump on the Targ-train early enough to reap the full benefits.
 
Azel said:
Braavos is definitely going to be it's own faction, with Lorath and maybe Maekar the Mongrel as allies.

Not seeing Doran lead anything except maybe a group of die hard loyalists. He is getting nothing but The Good Shit right now from everything we do and his main objective would be to keep the good times going.

Saan is more likely to stay independent and to sell his vote to whatever cause happens to be the most profitable for him at the time.
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If any faction is likely to include a large Fey Court, it would be Braavos. They've partnered with and prospered alongside the Orphne Court since nearly the return of magic to the world and I don't see that changing any time soon.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Doran, Velaryon, Brune, Asha and some more form a party created only to style on those who did not jump on the Targ-train early enough to reap the full benefits.
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Asha is every bit as political as the ship she rides on, which is to say not at all. If it were up to her every session would be a proxy session so she can do some real work instead of being stuck 'arguing about things that are getting decided by the crown anyway'. She has many fine qualities, but an understanding of soft power is not one of them.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Doran, Velaryon, Brune, Asha and some more form a party created only to style on those who did not jump on the Targ-train early enough to reap the full benefits.
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Brune isn't in the Curia.

I could see Doran and Velaryon working together on that hardcore loyalists block though, since they are in the same boat there.

Asha will likely form a faction with Redwyne, Theon, Hightower and maybe a few of the western Governors. They have a shared economic interest in keeping western maritime trade strong. This also means they will either compete with or ally with the Freys, who will soon control the canal to the Narrow Sea.
They will also likely be either at odds or need to find a compromise with the Eithur Fulka about the status of the western North. Having an Ironborn as Governor there is a rather volatile situation.
 
Goldfish said:
If any faction is likely to include a large Fey Court, it would be Braavos. They've partnered with and prospered alongside the Orphne Court since nearly the return of magic to the world and I don't see that changing any time soon.
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It's too bad the Braavosi don't have a reason to spite Mace. It'd be hysterical to see then subtly bring that up as much as possible whenever he's around just to needle him. :V
 
Vote closed. Time to see what costs all this has
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on May 1, 2021 at 1:30 PM, finished with 63 posts and 12 votes.
  • [X] Plan Totally Ripped Off From @Azel's Notes
    -[X] In Westeros:
    --[X] The King's Road will be upgraded to Imperial standards to serve as a backbone for all further road building efforts in Westeros.
    ---[X] From the King's Road in the North, arterial highways will be constructed to connect to Winterfell, White Harbor, the Dreadlands, and the Wall. The land is massive yet severely underpopulated, so the sooner we lay the groundwork for additional infrastructure which will encourage immigration and increased trade, the better.
    ---[X] From the King's Road in the Vale, arterial highways will be constructed to connect to Gulltown, Northweald, the Eyrie, and the eastern coastline, and for much the same reasons as our efforts in the North.
    --[X] A network of highways will be constructed in Dorne to take advantage of the recently completed bridge reconnecting Essos with Westeros via the Arm of Dorne, including connections through the Prince's Pass toward the central Reach, through Wyl towards Storms End, and crossing the Torentine towards Oldtown.
    --[X] A canal or channel will be cut between Seaguard and the Twin, along with widening the tributaries of the Blue Fork to allow it to reach all the way to the coast. This will create a navigable water route across the continent, linking the Sunset and Narrow Seas.
    --[X] Construction will begin on the core of a trade city with adjoining river harbor near the Twins, along with expanding the harbor of Saltpans.
    -[X] In Essos and the Stepstones:
    --[X] The previously laid tracks included in most of our road building projects in the Stepstones and western Essos will be made ready for train service. Construction of steam-powered trains using previously developed technology will begin. The train service isn't expected to begin running any time soon, but once it does enter service, it will greatly increase the flow of goods throughout the continent, especially bulk items, such as the foodstuffs grown in the former Disputed Lands.
    ---[X] To occur jointly with the development of the larger steam-powered trains intended to greater cargo and longer hauls, smaller trams and trains will be constructed and put into service in and around Sorcerer's Deep. This is not only intended to further improve the quality of life for those who live in our capital, but also as a showcase to begin familiarizing citizens with the new technology which will eventually become more commonplace throughout the Imperium.
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DragonParadox said:
Vote closed. Time to see what costs all this has
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on May 1, 2021 at 1:30 PM, finished with 63 posts and 12 votes.
  • [X] Plan Totally Ripped Off From @Azel's Notes
    -[X] In Westeros:
    --[X] The King's Road will be upgraded to Imperial standards to serve as a backbone for all further road building efforts in Westeros.
    ---[X] From the King's Road in the North, arterial highways will be constructed to connect to Winterfell, White Harbor, the Dreadlands, and the Wall. The land is massive yet severely underpopulated, so the sooner we lay the groundwork for additional infrastructure which will encourage immigration and increased trade, the better.
    ---[X] From the King's Road in the Vale, arterial highways will be constructed to connect to Gulltown, Northweald, the Eyrie, and the eastern coastline, and for much the same reasons as our efforts in the North.
    --[X] A network of highways will be constructed in Dorne to take advantage of the recently completed bridge reconnecting Essos with Westeros via the Arm of Dorne, including connections through the Prince's Pass toward the central Reach, through Wyl towards Storms End, and crossing the Torentine towards Oldtown.
    --[X] A canal or channel will be cut between Seaguard and the Twin, along with widening the tributaries of the Blue Fork to allow it to reach all the way to the coast. This will create a navigable water route across the continent, linking the Sunset and Narrow Seas.
    --[X] Construction will begin on the core of a trade city with adjoining river harbor near the Twins, along with expanding the harbor of Saltpans.
    -[X] In Essos and the Stepstones:
    --[X] The previously laid tracks included in most of our road building projects in the Stepstones and western Essos will be made ready for train service. Construction of steam-powered trains using previously developed technology will begin. The train service isn't expected to begin running any time soon, but once it does enter service, it will greatly increase the flow of goods throughout the continent, especially bulk items, such as the foodstuffs grown in the former Disputed Lands.
    ---[X] To occur jointly with the development of the larger steam-powered trains intended to greater cargo and longer hauls, smaller trams and trains will be constructed and put into service in and around Sorcerer's Deep. This is not only intended to further improve the quality of life for those who live in our capital, but also as a showcase to begin familiarizing citizens with the new technology which will eventually become more commonplace throughout the Imperium.
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If we do 3 month turns, it should be all doable in a single turn. The only channel is rather limited and we can build highways at ludicrous speeds with the Titan Tools.

Though we might piss off a bunch of people by bulldozing straight through their fief borders.
 
Azel said:
Though we might piss off a bunch of people by bulldozing straight through their fief borders.
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I thought we ratified all of the official borders and then added them to our archive in SD?

Or do you mean the natural borders like mountainous/rough terrain, rivers and swamps?

Then yes. That is a bit of a pickle. Most of those marcher/border lords are going to be a little heated because we've basically opened a road right through the heart of their territory to get at the sweet juicy interior of their neighbors' lands.
 
Crake said:
I thought we ratified all of the official borders and then added them to our archive in SD?

Or do you mean the natural borders like mountainous/rough terrain, rivers and swamps?

Then yes. That is a bit of a pickle. Most of those marcher/border lords are going to be a little heated because we've basically opened a road right through the heart of their territory to get at the sweet juicy interior of their neighbors' lands.
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More of the latter. There will be a bunch of lords inventing the westerosi form of NIMBYs because they disagree with the position of roads, especially since they will be told to fuck off if they want to put toll booths there.
 
Azel said:
More of the latter. There will be a bunch of lords inventing the westerosi form of NIMBYs because they disagree with the position of roads, especially since they will be told to fuck off if they want to put toll booths there.
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Okay so that will be an interesting pickle. As a note the voices election is what I am looking forward to
 
Azel said:
More of the latter. There will be a bunch of lords inventing the westerosi form of NIMBYs because they disagree with the position of roads, especially since they will be told to fuck off if they want to put toll booths there.
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I thought we said "Yeah, you can do some tolls. We have to discuss any tariffs or the like, especially in the Riverlands since we can't have every city along the banks trying to gouge people who are mostly just offloading all their goods on the other side of the continent", but that they just couldn't explicitly levy tolls to any state officials?

Or are we just nixing any road tolls, et al? I'm not actually sure what purpose tolls serve along major transport routes other than those levied by a state explicitly used to maintain those roads.

I do on the other hand hear a lot of villainization about corporations wanting roads to be privatized so that they can put a toll on every pie-slice stretch of it, but mostly as a tongue-in-cheek exaggeration about the dystopian end result of going overboard with libertarian principles. Not as a serious suggestion as something that has aggregate net-good for the public or would actually result in functional roads (not that the decades of neglect is anything to champion either).
 
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