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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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TalonofAnathrax said:
I can't really think of ways the Others could match Wyverns (and biggers ships like the Dauntless and the Moonchaser) until I remembered that not everyone has to go full magitech. Sure the Devils and the Djinn/Efreet/Shaitan have armoured airships with their own cannons, but the Others and Deep Ones can probably just focus on killing or subverting the squishy crew inside our airships.
  • There are effects that don't care about line of effect, and which could kill the crew if you ready an action and/or fly up to hit the vessel. For example, Deep Ones with Burrowing Power Metapsionic Feat can use psionic powers through walls and force effects (and can likely pick out targets with Mindsight).
  • IIRC our Airships aren't really defended against Teleportation or incorporeal flying enemies, so Shadows who fly aboard (under the cover of a storm? By waiting for the Wyvern to pass through them as they wait, quasi-invisible in the night sky?) or anything with non-LoS Teleportation (so not the Greater Teleport SLA that devils have, but things like Dimension Door would work) can hop inside and start killing the low-level humans and mid-level guards/creatures sprinkled in among them.
  • And obviously a high-level caster or monster can destroy them. That's not cost-effective, but it works.
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The 2nd doesn't work. They are explicitly warded against that.
1st is basically a variant of the 3rd.

I have a few ideas for this, but I'll not get into details here until the relevant systems (weather, terrain, provinces, etc) are developed. Right now, the answer to cannon is cannon, but that will change as the whole thing gains additional dimensions to maneuver in. For example, a good snow storm can severely limit the effectiveness of Wyverns since they rely on wind affected bombs. Something like the Dauntless is much harder to even hinder, but that's where you simply have to bring your high-value assets to fight the enemies high-value assets, lest you get roflstomped by them.
 
mmgaballah said:
the entire re conquest of Westewros including the Westerlands took place over the course of a single day , odds are there hasn't been enough time for victims to be emboldened enough to come forward with accusations of abuse against the golden shields .

@DragonParadox seeing a we have effectively conquered an entire continent over the course of a single day what are the odd of gaining another mythic level ? , even if it did take months in IC and years OC of preparing the land for swift conquest and removing any sort of powerful opposition most people in Westeros would not be aware of those preparations to them the Dragon was so powerful that he conquered their entire continent in a single day will be all they can see
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While it won't earn us our next Mythic Rank it should definitely count as progress for the next one.

We just trumped the legend of Aegon the Conqueror in every conceivable way.
 
One question for everyone, do Aura effects require direct line of effect?
Something like Frightful Presence or other versions could get our pilots to panic, even if seen from a relativly save cockpit.
 
[X] Azel

Well that was a bit of a mess, @DragonParadox was the lord about to about to put those mage's to the sword because of abuses of power or because of his enchantment?
 
Duesal said:
While it won't earn us our next Mythic Rank it should definitely count as progress for the next one.

We just trumped the legend of Aegon the Conqueror in every conceivable way.
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Taking the Seven Kingdoms is part of your last Myrhic rank, which is to say it is part of the rise of the Imperium. Yes technically Viserys got the rank when he was crowned but that is because six of seven kingdoms were mostly on your side. Consider what Viserys actually did this night, is that itself mythic or is it part of a larger narrative which is linked to the coronation? I would argue the latter, mythic ranks are not about the progression of linear time and gaining experience like well... XP, they are about the way the story and the legend of the character runs and in that sense taking the last dregs of Westeros will not get you extra progress.

Speaking of XP I really should do a pass and portion some of it out.
 
Duesal said:
We just trumped the legend of Aegon the Conqueror in every conceivable way.
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I just hope that it wasn't noted as anticlimactic in the annals of Imperial History, as much as in actually that it IS anticlimactic.

Can you imagine? Us listing off our accomplishments only to get a discreet scoff from one of the Dignitaries of the Outer Planes when we told them about Westeros.

Marid Merchant-Prince: "Pfft, he placed the 'Conquering' of that western backwards hovel in the same vein as with the Breaking of the Efreeti Fleets and the Culling of the Mind Flayer Fortresses? Is he so easily impresses over fighting a mewling babe that can't fight back? Dross. But I can't judge him, he's a Red Chromatic after all. Can't go a single second without stroking his fires. No matter how insubstantial it was."

I don't want it to be that way, man!
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
Marid Merchant-Prince: "Pfft, he placed the 'Conquering' of that western backwards hovel in the same vein as with the Breaking of the Efreeti Fleets and the Culling of the Mind Flayer Fortresses? Is he so easily impresses over fighting a mewling babe that can't fight back? Dross. But I can't judge him, he's a Red Chromatic after all. Can't go a single second without stroking his fires. No matter how insubstantial it was."
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"it was mostly the part were I doubled the size of my domain and that enjoyable feeling when one paints the map in his own colors rather than the actual conquering itself "
 
Artemis1992 said:
One question for everyone, do Aura effects require direct line of effect?
Something like Frightful Presence or other versions could get our pilots to panic, even if seen from a relativly save cockpit.
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No Wyvern pilot should ever be within range of any Frightful Presence effect.

Even if Line of Effect is all that is necessary, there is no such thing as a Frightful Presence effect which reaches anywhere close to 800 feet, AFAIK.
 
I would say on Auras and Frightful presence that generally it requires either LoS or LoE. Even something like a mystical fear effect requires you to see the gribble (or sense it some other way), or to put it another way you cannot track an invisible dragon by the amounts of random people pissing themselves with no discernible reason. :V
 
Goldfish said:
No Wyvern pilot should ever be within range of any Frightful Presence effect.

Even if Line of Effect is all that is necessary, there is no such thing as a Frightful Presence effect which reaches anywhere close to 800 feet, AFAIK.
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Anything that can hide, fly fast and/or Teleport can get a Wyvern Pilot into range of a Frightful Presence. It's just a matter of using terrain + initiative delays. Then you make an Intimidate on the same turn as a swift action (Fearsome Armor or that Dragon Mag feat), to turn that frightened into panicked.

In an open field in clear weather, it seems basically impossible to get into range unless you can Teleport on top of the hull. In an Other blizzard or in the mountains or something, it's difficult but conceivably possible. I wouldn't want to be betting my life on it though.

DragonParadox said:
I would say on Auras and Frightful presence that generally it requires either LoS or LoE. Even something like a mystical fear effect requires you to see the gribble (or sense it some other way), or to put it another way you cannot track an invisible dragon by the amounts of random people pissing themselves with no discernible reason. :V
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Actually, do our Wyverns have cockpit windows?
I'm imagining Amrelath rushing up to the window, giving a toothy grin, and instantly causing the pilot to wet himself and run away.

Azel said:
1st is basically a variant of the 3rd.
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Hm. Let me rephrase: a mid-level caster or some mid-level creatures can, with proper preparation, target the crew directly. However to actually beat through the massive pile of HP + hardness + force walls and actually destroy our ships, you need to be a high-level mailman or someone capable of casting spells like Disintegrate (with an excellent aim!). Theoretically a mid-level creature with the right gear could pull that off, but I wouldn't bet on it.
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
Actually, do our Wyverns have cockpit windows?
I'm imagining Amrelath rushing up to the window, giving a toothy grin, and instantly causing the pilot to wet himself and run away.
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Yes, they have. Big, hardened Corundum ones.
TalonofAnathrax said:
Hm. Let me rephrase: a mid-level caster or some mid-level creatures can, with proper preparation, target the crew directly. However to actually beat through the massive pile of HP + hardness + force walls and actually destroy our ships, you need to be a high-level mailman or someone capable of casting spells like Disintegrate (with an excellent aim!). Theoretically a mid-level creature with the right gear could pull that off, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Fair enough. To me "High-Level Character" is an equivalent statement to "Mid-Level Character wielding a chunk of Gouda" or "Low-Level Character riding an Animated wheel of Roquefort into battle".
 
@DragonParadox, in addition to the XP and the lore, will you be covering the gear we confiscate from Lanna, Gerion, and Tywin? There should be plenty for Goldfish to distribute among the PCs. Hopefully without annoying curses on them.
 
Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, in addition to the XP and the lore, will you be covering the gear we confiscate from Lanna, Gerion, and Tywin? There should be plenty for Goldfish to distribute among the PCs. Hopefully without annoying curses on them.
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I'll cover that soon. I need to write up some fluff for items and some of that can be tricky. I don't want to hand you guys a box of generic pluses and minuses that could be replaced with X enchanter hours and Y gold.
 
Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, in addition to the XP and the lore, will you be covering the gear we confiscate from Lanna, Gerion, and Tywin? There should be plenty for Goldfish to distribute among the PCs. Hopefully without annoying curses on them.
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there is also what ever the golden shields have on them along with what ever artifacts , items and relics the Lanisters have uncovered and left in their vaults
 
I may be wrong but i remember reading about the lannisters awakening magic in people using deep earth planar energies beneath casterly rock which i think is jazirians altar

Also is the altar recoverable after what we did to it , if it is we can use it to have a endless supply of mages
 
Duesal said:
You specified "Regular Simulacrums" here. Is there another kind?
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What you guys get from that artifact portrait for instance, that can craft just fine.

mmgaballah said:
the kind we used for Bloodraven's new body and what Lya uses would likely fall under the irregular kind

@DragonParadox what about flesh forged Simulacrums rather than the ones you get from spells ?
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I mean you could flesh forge a simulacrum, but at that point why not forge a leshy or some other mage within the limits of the forge.
 
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  • [X] Plan the Imperator Givets and the Imprator Taketh Part 2: The Takethning
    -[X] House Lefford of the Golden Tooth
    --[X] If there is a genuine threat of banditry by the reckoning of the Legions general, he should help Lefford in the coming days to root them out.
    -[X] House Lydden of Deep Den
    --[X] No action, but make a note to have the Administration send a noble born representative to his fief to avoid trouble. Lydden will see sense in the coming months or arrangements can be made that he doesn't become a problem.
    -[X] House Marbrand of Ashemark
    --[X] No action. Most Crownlander houses are not in sufficiently good standing with the crown to cause issues with Marbrand and if they do anyway, you will burn that bridge when you come to it.
    -[X] House Payne of Ironwood
    --[X] The law is pretty clear that House Payne are traitors and thus you will seize the fief, voiding the regular inheritance concerns. Both the kinslayer and Lydden can of course make the case why they should be given that fief, but legally you are not required to indulge them. You will dela with this later.
    -[X] House Prester of Feastfires
    --[X] Make a note to have a diplomat carefully prod Prester and the Inquisition to prod him and his people to make sure there are no Illithid surprises hiding in Feastfires. See how the smallfolk and the lord would take to some Imperial undead guarding their shore.
    -[X] House Sarsfield of Sarsfield
    --[X] Send the same group that you had hunted down the Vances with to hunt down the fleeing Golden Shields and to capture them. Aradia and a few Wild Hunt assets will lead the group for this.
    --[X] Reassure the mother that we recognize her son as the heir of the Sarsfield name and title and that we would ask her to come to SD to sort out the future of her, her son and the family.
    ---[X] Once the time is right to make this part official, you will have her formally adopting the Sarsfield name when House Lannister is smote into oblivion.
    ---[X] The keep will be held by Imperial officials in regency until the boy is 20 and you would offer to have him fostered with a good loyalist house or in SD and having the mother living with her son.
    -[X] House Serrett of Silverhill
    --[X] No action needed.
    -[X] House Swyft of Cornfield
    --[X] Arrange it that a Weirwood is grown for the man with sacrifices, preferably items, taken from Inquisition stock.
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