Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
I'm hyped by everything here except the idea of trying to kill or evict Fire Dragons.

[X] The Waystone Project
D E E P _ L O R E
And getting various polities on board sounds like a lot of fun!

[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
Someday we'll finally use the Second Secret. In the meantime, let me enjoy sabotaging necromantic constructs! And of course dueling vampires, foes with the right mix of martial prowess, toughness and magical skill to create the most engaging fights.

[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
😼😼😼


I might end up voting for Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred, if tactical voting becomes necessary.
 
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[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[] The Waystone Project
[x] Spymaster of Wissenland
 
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I'm going to try to spell out why I think Bodyguard is a better choice than Loremaster-At-Large, given how similar they are in many respects:

The Empire needs a troubleshooter more than the Dwarves do. To use a mining metaphor, the Empire still has many rich seams of problems for us to mine through, while the Karaz Ankor is a lot more tapped out. The Empire has a great deal of immediately active problems for us to work through, and trying to bring some unity back to said empire is an excellent cause.

There is no world where Mathilde is needed more in the Empire than she is in the Karaz-Ankor. The Empire has plenty of wizards, hell it even has plenty of Grey wizard lords. The Karaz-Ankor has just the one.

The Karaz-Ankor has lots of problems we could solve, and the fact that you claim otherwise when BoneyM has literally said otherwise and there's a entire position built around it in opposition to that is kind of baffling.
 
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland

Voting like this for now, might reevaluate depending on what options are in the lead in day or so
 
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[x] Border Princess of the Howling River
 
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I think the biggest draw for the Waystone Project is going to be meeting and working with all manner of interesting individuals with very different perspectives - frankly, BoneyM's character writing is one of the high points of the quest, and gathering a group of some of the setting's most eccentric individuals, putting them in a box and making them work together is bound to give us some great moments.

This isn't even mentioning the adventuring or learning aspects - visiting cool places and learning about deep lore is catnip to the thread, and between travelling around to study extant or deactivated Waystones, searching for lost knowledge and working with people vastly older than herself will offer plenty of both.

tl;dr gib headpats, preferably from Teclis
 
- The exact details of how a position will work will be negotiated with whoever oversees it once a decision is made, and the thread will be able to vote on what concessions are most desired.
I do hope, if we take the Bodyguard job, that one of the concessions we extract from Heidi is "some sort of thing that lets us have half-actions we can spend on research." The ability to found a research institute and have research half-actions, allowing us to progress multiple priorities at the same time, is honestly one of the biggest draws to staying in K8P. It's just so efficient!
Adhoc vote count started by picklepikkl on Mar 6, 2021 at 9:23 AM, finished with 892 posts and 112 votes.

Two hours into voting, here's where we stand. Bodyguard is in the lead, with Loremaster-at-Large and Waystones right behind it, Markgraf a slightly more distant fourth, and everything else trailing significantly. Those people worried that the thread had just locked-in on Waystones and would never entertain another possibility: today is your lucky day!
 
To be blunt, I really don't want to read about Mathilde going on yet another Hold reclamation expedition. Been there, done that.
Not gonna lie, taking the "the thread represents Mathilde's mindspace" theory and applying it to this post is kinda funny.

Like, there's a teeny part of Mathilde that goes "Ugh, I get that saving Dawi holds is important, but it gets kinda trite after the first few times. Can't someone else do it for once?".

Yes, it's smaller than the part of her that wants to use Dhar, but still!
 
[x] Border Princess of the Howling River
[x] Spymaster of Wissenland
[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
 
There is no world where Mathilde is needed more in the Empire than she is in the Karaz-Ankor. The Empire has plenty of wizards, hell it even has plenty of Grey wizard lords. The Karaz-Ankor has just the one.

The Karaz-Ankor has lots of problems we could solve, and the fact that you claim otherwise when BoneyM has literally said otherwise and there's a entire position built around it in opposition to that is kind of baffling.
I concur, the idea is bonkers to me. If the Empire want a Wizard for a problem, and Mathilde is unavailable, there's 8 Colleges of them, and if they are feeling really exotic, they can try to strike a bargain with one of the other Order factions (Brettonia, Kislev, Araby, maybe even Laurelorn) for a spellcaster's assistance. And that's not even counting the full-Divine casters. If Dwarfs want a Wizard... well, they are probably not going to ask to begin with unless we're talking K8P or Barak Varr, because it's not a culturally accepted thing for them. Without Mathilde... well, they might ask Johann, since he's Dawongr, but that's about it.
 
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[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Nagarythe
 
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I do hope, if we take the Bodyguard job, that one of the concessions we extract from Heidi is "some sort of thing that lets us have half-actions we can spend on research." The ability to found a research institute and have research half-actions, allowing us to progress multiple priorities at the same time, is honestly one of the biggest draws to staying in K8P. It's just so efficient!

Honestly, the research institut in K8P would be rather strange if we take the position of bodyguard.
Why not just work with people in Altdorf, since we would already be mostly there ?
 
Honestly, the research institut in K8P would be rather strange if we take the position of bodyguard.
Why not just work with people in Altdorf, since we would already be mostly there ?
Yes, I agree with the fact that it would make no sense. That's why I said it would be nice if we could extract a concession from Heidi that let us have something mechanically similar.
 
Honestly, the research institut in K8P would be rather strange if we take the position of bodyguard.
Why not just work with people in Altdorf, since we would already be mostly there ?
It'd give Mathilde an excuse to get out of the capital every once in a while? Once Mandred grows older we can make it a field trip even.
 
I'm going to try to spell out why I think Bodyguard is a better choice than Loremaster-At-Large, given how similar they are in many respects:

The Empire needs a troubleshooter more than the Dwarves do. To use a mining metaphor, the Empire still has many rich seams of problems for us to mine through, while the Karaz Ankor is a lot more tapped out. The Empire has a great deal of immediately active problems for us to work through, and trying to bring some unity back to said empire is an excellent cause.
I am going to focus on this one, because I think I finally nailed down what exactly bother me about Heidi option - or rather, what you and some others think it is - so much.
(well, with very much real aside of "Empire has myriad of Wizards and several more Grey Lord Magisters, so marginal utility of Mathilde there is way lower than in KaK where she is without an exaggeration unique, which makes the whole rationale a bit wrong, IMO)

To start with, if the option was bland Imperial Spymaster and not Heidi's right hand election rigging woman, I'd be quite a bit more tempted by it.

As is, thing about Heidi is, she explicitly stated, more than once, that for her priority one is her son getting power. Even if it means Child Emperor, even if it means more competent and suited emperor being sidelined in favour of a kid just because of political shenanigans. Does this really sound like "Imperial troubleshooter" to you?

Mathilde will indeed do Imperial troubleshooter, only inasmuch as it benefits Heidi's goals. And if some Imperial trouble, say, has possibility of, say, making a competing candidate for the Throne busy for the duration of election and unable to campaign in full - what do you think Heidi would prefer, this trouble being solved or it going on to increase odds of Mandred winning? She will not go as far as to create such trouble, I presume, she's not outright malevolent (and it would be risky), but she does explicitly put good of Mandred above good of Empire.


And that's the gist of my problem with how you present it: you present the position as Imperial troubleshooter, but it is not. Any imperial troubleshooting will be coincidental to the goals of Heidi, and not the actual goal. It is not position of Imperial troubleshooter, it is a position of Heidi's troubleshooter. Good of Empire may come as a result of it, but it will be a side effect of electoral politics.

And yes, it would put Mathilde in a position where she can, in theory, contest Heidi's ambition if she wants to. But, Heidi is one of few people who are probably better than Mathy at Intrigue, and it'd be playing silly buggers with Heidi on her home turf of court politics. And we cannot really trust Ranald to have our back on this one either. So, odds are, Heidi's agenda will be, within margin of deviation, actual Mathilde's agenda too.
edit: tl;dr: Empire needs a troubleshooter, but a) it has plenty of Greys and some are Lord Magisters, while Dawi have zero; and b) position is not Imperial but Heidi's troubleshooter.
 
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[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[x] Border Princess of the Howling River

Deeplore and esoterica for me are best left as a side thing. I want to dig into politics and regional business. Of them all I think Sylvania has the most opportunities to use a great deal of skills we have learned.
 
Bluntly because we want to dump our research on other people not the reverse. We want to control what gets researched and who gets the credit.

We could just put some AP in enchanting something with Windherder, after that we could likely get some volunteers interested in working under us and other colleges would most likely aprove of that.

My point is more that there would be no need to have such institute in K8P, because we would have no need to work alongside runesmiths or time to help dwarves.
 
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