Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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You realize we are talking about chaos sorcerers? They take the risk of mutating every time they use magic. Their idea of safe is not the same as ours.
- Location
- some computer lab
we haven't seen any demons around Karag Dum, which leads me to believe that demons can't stand being around Karag Dum or else there would be demons around Dum
The stones dangle from a strap across his chest.
- Location
- Utrecht
This is disgustingly insulting, and shows exactly why that situation happened. Refusal to understand differences of opinion, followed by dismissal and rejection.
I'm seeing the parallels all right.
- Location
- somewhere over there.
- Pronouns
- They/It
And roll the dice on them deciding that our skull would be a good addition to their pile back home. We had to roll for that with the Yusak, and they weren't assaulting a weird dwarf/beastman coalition at the time. I'd prefer spying on their battle for a bit before trying to talk.
- Location
- Virginia
I feel that the argument of that because we haven't been attacked yet out in the Chaos Wastes means we should continue risking that fact with even more dangerous methods of info gathering. Why keep risking a lot of harm to us and everyone around for little gain in information?
We have not seen any of the teleporting, highly magical fragments of gods in this particular part of space-warped hell, and that means what for the odds of future daemons? Daemons are prone to whimsy, I would hesitate making any judgments about them based on less than a day's observations.
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I am dissapoint, son
- Pronouns
- He/Him
No, as in Expeditions to reclaim other lost Karaks, like Karak Drazh. Borek backstabbing the Expedition (and the Empire) is going to rub the Empire the wrong way big-time.
No one is ignoring it. It's been discussed at length for the last 100 pages of thread. There is the very reasonable concern that it's simply under his control now, and if he decides he doesn't like us, he'll turn it on.
@BoneyM Could we attempt to spin some bullshit when we talk to them, by say, asking if it's true that his touch can still grant blessings? Generally just play off the idea that we've come a long way, and our tribe has never come here before.
Uhhh, we're pretty much 100% positive at this point that they're defending the Kharak, not besieging it.
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- Location
- Chicago
- Pronouns
- She/They
So, theory:
It was the last stages of the siege. Morghur must have shown up before Borek left for him to know about any plans involving him. I'm betting Morghul shows up reincarnated out of the chaos wastes during the last war, hits Karag Dum and starts cheesing through their outer defenses. The dwarves draw up strategies to deal with him, and one possibility, with the knowledge of Waystones that they preserved, would be to direct a portion into him and try to pop him like an overfilled balloon. Bortek leaves for reinforcements.
Worst comes to worst, and the rune masters dump a ton of power directly into him- which doesn't pop his aura, but instead inflates it. The Karak itself was preserved because Morghur didn't want to interrupt the flow, but everything else nearby got blasted as the chaos mutation aura expanded.
But here's where it gets tricky. The Karak wouldn't stop absorbing magic around it just because the outflow was redirected to a local spot. So the huge amount of magic pouring out from Morghur would be captured, and sent right back into Morghur.
Except.
My bet is that dhar is not subject to the redirection of power the waystone can do- it makes sense to me that as a safety dhar would be hardcoded to continue along the network. So all local magic is sucked up, the dhar is sent south, and the remainder of pumped right back into Morghur, inflating his aura further in a positive feedback loop.
But in that loop the magic would be purified, and my bet is Mor-Ghur is a creature of dhar and ghur. Ghur comes to predominate as dhar is filtered and ghur is recycled, and the chaos wastes get pushed back as Morghur's aura expands. Possibly because it is the chaos wastes, the chaos part of his aura may be able to flow away with less/no resistance compared to the ghur portion? I'm that case there desert might be the zone where the chaos wastes and Morghur's aura-demense interpenetrate, and the first is where it is solely him?
Also possible the chaotic changes attenuated as the area covered got larger.
Morghur becomes a legit god, closer to an ascended land spirit than a chaos horror. Beastmen gather at his call and to protect the mountain sending him such power.
Tl;dr- I think we are dealing with something much closer to a great forest spirit than a demon, the dwarves did it by empowering Morghur.
It was the last stages of the siege. Morghur must have shown up before Borek left for him to know about any plans involving him. I'm betting Morghul shows up reincarnated out of the chaos wastes during the last war, hits Karag Dum and starts cheesing through their outer defenses. The dwarves draw up strategies to deal with him, and one possibility, with the knowledge of Waystones that they preserved, would be to direct a portion into him and try to pop him like an overfilled balloon. Bortek leaves for reinforcements.
Worst comes to worst, and the rune masters dump a ton of power directly into him- which doesn't pop his aura, but instead inflates it. The Karak itself was preserved because Morghur didn't want to interrupt the flow, but everything else nearby got blasted as the chaos mutation aura expanded.
But here's where it gets tricky. The Karak wouldn't stop absorbing magic around it just because the outflow was redirected to a local spot. So the huge amount of magic pouring out from Morghur would be captured, and sent right back into Morghur.
Except.
My bet is that dhar is not subject to the redirection of power the waystone can do- it makes sense to me that as a safety dhar would be hardcoded to continue along the network. So all local magic is sucked up, the dhar is sent south, and the remainder of pumped right back into Morghur, inflating his aura further in a positive feedback loop.
But in that loop the magic would be purified, and my bet is Mor-Ghur is a creature of dhar and ghur. Ghur comes to predominate as dhar is filtered and ghur is recycled, and the chaos wastes get pushed back as Morghur's aura expands. Possibly because it is the chaos wastes, the chaos part of his aura may be able to flow away with less/no resistance compared to the ghur portion? I'm that case there desert might be the zone where the chaos wastes and Morghur's aura-demense interpenetrate, and the first is where it is solely him?
Also possible the chaotic changes attenuated as the area covered got larger.
Morghur becomes a legit god, closer to an ascended land spirit than a chaos horror. Beastmen gather at his call and to protect the mountain sending him such power.
Tl;dr- I think we are dealing with something much closer to a great forest spirit than a demon, the dwarves did it by empowering Morghur.
- Location
- some computer lab
Unless demons are cool with a non-chaos stronghold in the middle of the chaos wastes, there should be demons here.
Yes.
Worth noting not even Chaos worshipers want to be spawn, mutants yes, but not full quivering mountains of madness.
My issue with talking to the other tribes is it's quite possible it goes bad and then we have to cast to survive, at which point we're taking the risk anyway for less reward.
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
We could ask the kurgan shamans whether using magic was suicidal.
These and the find a volunteer options are our try it to find out options here.
Why wouldn't they be? It sounds like a fun piece on the board.
- Location
- Leeds
Cool, just checked. Shit is indeed fucked up yo.
[X] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
[X] Approach the Kul camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[X] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[X] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak with magic
-[X] Abort if the trees show signs of serious mutation up close that were not visible at distance.
[X] Attempt to intercept a Kurgan war-party en route to attack the Karag and the Beastmen
[X] Attempt to scout the forest at the base of the Karak
[x] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak without magic
I like the idea that Grimnr has something to do with this.
Also, @BoneyM How interesting does Mathilde think Cython would find this?
[X] Approach the Kul camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[X] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[X] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak with magic
-[X] Abort if the trees show signs of serious mutation up close that were not visible at distance.
[X] Attempt to intercept a Kurgan war-party en route to attack the Karag and the Beastmen
[X] Attempt to scout the forest at the base of the Karak
[x] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak without magic
I like the idea that Grimnr has something to do with this.
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Also, @BoneyM How interesting does Mathilde think Cython would find this?
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- Location
- Washington
I don't actually believe it to be the case, but there is ONE entity capable of purging at least one sort of dark magic, among the gods of nekehara, that's still some degree of active regardless of whether the gods of nekehara are dead. Asaph. She's noted for purging out vampirism instead of chaos taint but that's still an unusual capability.
Divine energy in an unexpected place would likely be extremely Cython's jam.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I'm not American, it didn't occur to me that what I meant as "unreasonably obstinate" might be taken as "completely insane fascist" until I got told it came across as a dick move. Sincere apologies for the unintended implication.
I'm lying in bed posting this on my phone, so I'm technically only failing to go to bed in the ways that matter.
EDIT: I meant current politics as in the general state of political discourse, not the election or the coup attempt, in case the clarification didn't make that clear.
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