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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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I still stand by the point that not the metaphysical side is the issue, but the practical part of impersonating ancient proto-Ironborn and saying a wrong oath and playing with divine power under the eyes of every Aberration involved with the project.
That is the part that will get everyone try to kill us right here and now, where and whenever that may be.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I still stand by the point that not the metaphysical side is the issue, but the practical part of impersonating ancient proto-Ironborn and saying a wrong oath and playing with divine power under the eyes of every Aberration involved with the project.
That is the part that will get everyone try to kill us right here and now, where and whenever that may be.
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They are going to try no matter what we do here. And if we wade into deep shit anyway, we might as well go for broke and whip out the jetski.
 
Azel said:
They are going to try no matter what we do here. And if we wade into deep shit anyway, we might as well go for broke and whip out the jetski.
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Wait until they've done their big deal, hunt down the primary chrono-squid involved with this, use his blood to strike out the runework once there is nobody looking.

It's a valid option, right in the 3 basic non-write-ins given to us.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Wait until they've done their big deal, hunt down the primary chrono-squid involved with this, use his blood to strike out the runework once there is nobody looking.

It's a valid option, right in the 3 basic non-write-ins given to us.
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You are assuming linear time. We are not working with linear time. Instead of defacing the center of the painting, you want to deface the rightmost quarter, which is just as obvious to someone looking at the whole painting.

All I'm arguing that, if security will tackle us either way, we might as well just try to steal the whole thing and set a few fires on the way out.
 
Azel said:
You are assuming linear time. We are not working with linear time. Instead of defacing the center of the painting, you want to deface the rightmost quarter, which is just as obvious to someone looking at the whole painting.

All I'm arguing that, if security will tackle us either way, we might as well just try to steal the whole thing and set a few fires on the way out.
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No, I don't think that is the right image.

You want to deface the painting while it is in the Louvre, under spotlight (or maybe not to preserve the colours?), surrounded by a dozen Security men.
I want to deface it while it's in the artist's home and nobody but that one scrawny painter pays attention.
 
Artemis1992 said:
No, I don't think that is the right image.

You want to deface the painting while it is in the Louvre, under spotlight (or maybe not to preserve the colours?), surrounded by a dozen Security men.
I want to deface it while it's in the artist's home and nobody but that one scrawny painter pays attention.
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Yeah, but you are using time as a measure of distance, despite both us and eelface running through time with the same ease as walking left and right. In your comparison, the artists home is a side room of the Louvre with pretty much the same security.
 
Azel said:
Yeah, but you are using time as a measure of distance, despite both us and eelface running through time with the same ease as walking left and right. In your comparison, the artists home is a side room of the Louvre with pretty much the same security.
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I am using time as a measure, yes, because I don't think this is completly atemporal.

The rune circle they make here and now will still continually exist for the next few millenia.
This ritual will be over eventually.

Sure, the time-cop-eel might try to stop us if we sabotage the circle at any other point in history, but he won't have the backup of everyone nearby right now.
And neither will the casting chronomancer (or chronomancers, no idea what, who or how many that are) all be together and under the eyes of full security and divine powers at all times.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I am using time as a measure, yes, because I don't think this is completly atemporal.

The rune circle they make here and now will still continually exist for the next few millenia.
This ritual will be over eventually.

Sure, the time-cop-eel might try to stop us if we sabotage the circle at any other point in history, but he won't have the backup of everyone nearby right now.
And neither will the casting chronomancer (or chronomancers, no idea what, who or how many that are) all be together and under the eyes of full security and divine powers at all times.
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I understand. I just disagree.
 
Azel said:
I understand. I just disagree.
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Okay then.

Last potential issue, even if they don't manage to stop us from pulling of the crazy scheme now, could it happen that they notice our alteration somewhere in the time between now (ancient now) and the real now in countless millenia?
They could try to fix or counter-sabotage our work at any point to come, at least if we travel straight back to our time instead of staying with the regular flow to keep an eye on it (and also hang around for ages to come).
 
Artemis1992 said:
Okay then.

Last potential issue, even if they don't manage to stop us from pulling of the crazy scheme now, could it happen that they notice our alteration somewhere in the time between now (ancient now) and the real now in countless millenia?
They could try to fix or counter-sabotage our work at any point to come, at least if we travel straight back to our time instead of staying with the regular flow to keep an eye on it (and also hang around for ages to come).
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I'm tinkering with the traitors oath to plug that hole in the plan. The basic idea is to use those souls that tried to murder us and reset their targeting priorities so that they defend our alterations.

I'd like to keep the specifics a secret until I got the oath / poem done though.
 
@Artemis1992, the single biggest issue with the first option would actually be finding the Aboleth Chronomancer. It has no reason to confront us and every reason to avoid us. Aboleths are arrogant in the extreme, and for good reason given their racial history and innate powers, never mind what they can learn and the magic or psionic they can acquire, but betting that it would choose to allow itself to be found when it knows an existential threat is hunting for it is much less likely to work in our favor than anything else, IMO, even flipping one of the proto-Ironborn and hoping to prevent them from being discovered.

[X] Azel

@Azel, don't forget that we've got five CR 22 super Shoggoths we can possibly sacrifice to the Ferryman right here if we need to supplement the Well of Eternity's power. As his Herald, Aife is a superb channel for that power.
 
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Adding or altering would both work, changing it entirely is where you get into deep timey-whimey trouble to misquote Doctor Who
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Honestly I think we're overcomplicating this. The only thing we should be focusing on at this point as the Illithid are soon to move on us. Is what can we do that will save the island and cause as much damage as possible to the Illithid in the present.

I'm thinking redirect the backlash that is about to hit the Iron Islands in the present back at the Illithid on the Garden in the present. If it can't be targeted to focus directly on the Illithid themselves to kill them in job lots, then on their undersea bases shattering them as they tried to shatter the Island.

We can empower the imperial god by ourselves just fine, this on the other hand would seem to have a good chance of tainting the new born god.
 
Time is but a river. A rock thrown at it makes a ripple yet the river still flows one way.

This would be most likely the reason why the Ironborn are greedy murder raiders.

Let the chaos resonate across the ages!

[X] Azel
 
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