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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
The issue is not so much what it is or could be, bet that it lacks the will to take things. It's like the difference between a rope and a ball. If you toss it a ball it will grasp that ball with all its strength like a planetary body's gravity and likely you are not getting it back. But if you toss in a rope in its general vicinity, the way you would if you created worshipers in the past, it does not have the will to reach out and take it. It takes a lot more precision to grant something to the Imperial God.
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There are things that can act through it in the future though. Chiefly among them Ancient Wyrm Viserys and his 10 Mythic Ranks, leading a bunch of gods in the efforts.

My argument is not that it should be easy, but my argument is that when we make the rope long enough that it can be reached from those distant probabilities, that potential future can pull really hard.


Also, if we knew more about the oath swearing, I could provide a more detailed write-in to tie things together. Do we know what exactly is about to be sworn there? We observed the results and know the tenants of the faith, so we should have at least a good enough outline.
 
...We still have Tiamat's bottled power in the Well of Souls, y'all.
Kept securely in our cloak since there isn't a safer place.

You know, in case we need to wrangle a motherfucker energy-field with another motherfucker energy-field.

Arguably, a trade-off worth doing.
Worst case, the power is still forever lost to TIamat, and Imperial Deity doesn't care which seed we use to spark it, be it Tiamat or Drowned God's.
Best case, Drowny ends up being a bigger energy-field than what we have stored in Well of Souls.

And, you know, there's a tradition to use Tiamat's power to do bullshit for us.
Shadow Tower with an XP-Wish, means we only have higher to go... :V
 
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Artemis1992 said:
[X] The Path of Blood: Find the one of the architects if the Oathtaking after the deed has been done, kill it and in its blood unbalance his work such as the power is lost along the threads of time

@Azel The trouble with the last option is not so much that altering the ritual would be hard, or that our unborn god would not be able to take the energy field, but more that we have to play with their ritual right under the nose of the enemy's full power and attention.

So if we make the smallest slip in acting like a good little ancient Ironborn, then we'll propably have to fight the chronomancer/chronomancers and the Elder Brain plus anything squiddy vaguely nearby at once, which sounds like too much even for Viserys.
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We are currently faffing around inside a negative space wedgie made by the Aboleths to house their version of the Stillborn God. We are not in the final dungeon, we are in the twisted hellspace that the Big Bad wants to open a portal to so that he can enslave the world.

If we thought we couldn't take what they got, we should have stuck with the Old Gods option to save Old Wyk.
 
Azel said:
We are currently faffing around inside a negative space wedgie made by the Aboleths to house their version of the Stillborn God. We are not in the final dungeon, we are in the twisted hellspace that the Big Bad wants to open a portal to so that he can enslave the world.

If we thought we couldn't take what they got, we should have stuck with the Old Gods option to save Old Wyk.
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I'm just saying, it's easier to hunt down one measly legendary Chronomancer, than it is to fight whatever is watching over the entire ritual up there.

This is the more or less the making and binding of a deity.
Security should be more than overwhelming, I would use our revival of the giant Heart-Tree on SD as a measure on what to expect. (from my memory we had literally everything and then a few guests present for it)
 
By the way, does someone have a link to the update or research action in which we actually created the Imperial God?
I was under the impression that we hadn't quite gotten to that stage yet, and that we still hadn't figured out how to spread his grasp (ex: in the Dreamlands) and only really had his basic rituals and nature figured out so far. Won't we need some big bullshit ritual to hit the ignition on this God project? Am I forgetting something huge?
Or are we about to use time-fuckery to give the power to a stillborn God who wasn't really created yet? Because that's awesome in a whole different way.
 
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@egoo, after giving it some thought and considering that Tiamat has a Greed domain, I'm beginning to think that you might be on to something.

We are here to steal shit from the Illithid.
We have a battery full of "stealing shit"-energy.

I'm kinda seeing something solution shaped there.

TalonofAnathrax said:
So are we about to use time-fuckery to give the power to a stillborn God who wasn't created yet?
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Yes.
 
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egoo said:
...We still have Tiamat's bottled power in the Well of Souls, y'all.
Kept securely in our cloak since there isn't a safer place.

You know, in case we need to wrangle a motherfucker energy-field with another motherfucker energy-field.

Arguably, a trade-off worth doing.
Worst case, the power is still forever lost to TIamat, and Imperial Deity doesn't care which seed we use to spark it, be it Tiamat or Drowned God's.
Best case, Drowny ends up being a bigger energy-field than what we have stored in Well of Souls.

And, you know, there's a tradition to use Tiamat's power to do bullshit for us.
Shadow Tower with an XP-Wish, means we only have higher to go... :V
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Now this is brilliant. Good thinking.
 
Azel said:
There are things that can act through it in the future though. Chiefly among them Ancient Wyrm Viserys and his 10 Mythic Ranks, leading a bunch of gods in the efforts.

My argument is not that it should be easy, but my argument is that when we make the rope long enough that it can be reached from those distant probabilities, that potential future can pull really hard.


Also, if we knew more about the oath swearing, I could provide a more detailed write-in to tie things together. Do we know what exactly is about to be sworn there? We observed the results and know the tenants of the faith, so we should have at least a good enough outline.
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Ah I see, that might be doable yeah, though you would be pitting the willfully non-divine Viserys against a god with Squid-y backup.

As for the oath itself, it broadly involves forsaking the earth and its roots, and swearing that the sea will be the keeper of those who swear it. That blood is not sap but iron and salt. It is to turn one's eyes form the barren land and the wicked skies and give instead honor to Those of the Depths. It is a repudiation of everything from the Storm God (which some a few proto-Ironborn keep to still) to the Old Gods (whose heartreets are to the hewed) to the fellowship of humanity beyond these shores.
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
Or are we about to use time-fuckery to give the power to a stillborn God who wasn't really created yet?
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I mean, to clarify a bit: We are using time-fuckery to re-write our history so that for millenia, the Illithid accidentally collected energy for our Stillborn God that will probably create in our future. And if we succeed, it will always have been that way.

This is what happens when you send causality on a vacation.
DragonParadox said:
Ah I see, that might be doable yeah, though you would be pitting the willfully non-divine Viserys against a god with Squid-y backup.

As for the oath itself, it broadly involves forsaking the earth and its roots, and swearing that the sea will be the keeper of those who swear it. That blood is not sap but iron and salt. It is to turn one's eyes form the barren land and the wicked skies and give instead honor to Those of the Depths. It is a repudiation of everything from the Storm God (which some a few proto-Ironborn keep to still) to the Old Gods (whose heartreets are to the hewed) to the fellowship of humanity beyond these shores.
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And we would have to add to that oath, alter it in word or meaning, or write an entirely new one?
 
DragonParadox said:
Ah I see, that might be doable yeah, though you would be pitting the willfully non-divine Viserys against a god with Squid-y backup.
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i mean what else is new we have done multiple things like that alreaddy and that version of Viserys would be way more powerfull and equiped.

also it's funny. i want viserys to keep wrangeling evil gods for their servants or energy fields.

[X] The Path of Inheritance: Try to partake in the Oathtaking and alter it under the eyes of its makers
 
Azel said:
I mean, to clarify a bit: We are using time-fuckery to re-write our history so that for millenia, the Illithid accidentally collected energy for our Stillborn God that will probably create in our future. And if we succeed, it will always have been that way.

This is what happens when you send causality on a vacation.

And we would have to add to that oath, alter it in word or meaning, or write an entirely new one?
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Adding or altering would both work, changing it entirely is where you get into deep timey-whimey trouble to misquote Doctor Who
 
Hm. Thinking about it, does Future!Great Wyrm Viserys get racial spellcasting from being a Great Wyrm added on top of his Sorc levels like other dragons would? If so, he should be casting as a level 39 Sorcerer.

Alongside MR10, that might be enough.
 
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[X] The Path of Inheritance: Try to partake in the Oathtaking and alter it under the eyes of its makers
 
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