Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
[x] HALL: No
[x] MEAT: Yes
[x] ARM: No
[x] NUT: Yes
[x] PAPERS: Yes

Slave pen = too too much SAN damage
food = better than nothing ("curse you Ogryn the hungry!!!")
gold claw = Old One relic, Lizardmen tier, not risking (+ it has 3 fingers and a thumb, NOT loosing a finger for a mere bling)
Athel Loren seed = supercharged magic seed from magic isolationist forest/Tree... that might resist Chaos, TAKE
Book scribble = outdated or not, Asur information on Lizardmen, good for info AND diplo *wink, wink* *hint, hint*
 
I feel like focusing our efforts on Uzkalak would be somewhat misapplied. We have many destro factions that we can focus on most of whom are closer to home and more actively killing the forces of order. For example we could kill vampires in stirland. Or really scouting out any lost Karak close to K8Ps. Uzkalak is a long distance problem that doesn't show any signs of getting closer.
 
Visitting the slave pen, and buying a few slaves to free them, is the lesser evil than doing nothing and running away, we don't even have to take them with us, just buy one important person, get a trustworthy group to ransom him back, perhaps a brettonia or imperial group in this city, they don't even have to do it for good moral reasons, but simply for profit,
 
[x] HALL: Yes
[x] MEAT: Yes
[x] ARM: Yes
[x] NUT: Yes
[x] PAPERS: Yes

- changing my vote, i want to see Math's reaction to an all green-skin, skaven, or undead, or dark elf slave pen, will she be as compassionate if they were imperial? Is Ranald that kind of god or just of freeing humans?
 
My long term plan for this place is to set up the dominoes so that Clan Moulder takes it over, then loot and free the slaves in the confusion as the destro factions duke it out.
Why?

No, seriously. Why?

Clan Moulder has been waging war against them for generations anyway, and vice-versa. What you're suggesting is basically crippling an entire Chaos Dwarf city-fortress by ourselves...and then somehow breaking out a shitload of slaves during that, while somehow escaping from all of that while skaven are invading, then somehow successfully extract those slaves across brutal, unforgiving terrain even though we'd definitely have plenty of wounded, starving, and belligerent slaves. And you'd also be freeing up a clan of skaven to turn their attention to Kislev, the Karaz Ankor, or Karak Vlag specifically.


[x] HALL: Yes
[x] MEAT: Yes
[x] ARM: Yes
[x] NUT: Yes
[x] PAPERS: Yes

- changing my vote, i want to see Math's reaction to an all green-skin, skaven, or undead, or dark elf slave pen, will she be as compassionate if they were imperial? Is Ranald that kind of god or just of freeing humans?
Ranald is not all-powerful. It doesn't matter how saintly Ranald is, he's not going to be able to just negate the capabilities of the capital city of the Chaos Dwarves any more than Gork could let a single orc waltz into Karaz-a-Karak and steal a hundred tons of gold.

And BoneyM has already said that Mathilde's reaction would be trauma and deep emotional pain.
 
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... Weird idea/inspiration/insight I got from out of nowhere:

What if the Great Maw and Hashut are related? An endlessly-gluttonous Chthonian divinity. Appeased by the Ogres via never-gluttony and food. Appeased by the Fire Dwarfs by the piling on of slaves and gold. (What is this, some kind of dragon, dragon god, or mutant dragon, or divinely ascended/descended mutant dragon?)

That is: some people posted the theory that 'Huh. Maybe the Dawi Zharr are enslaved by Hashut, and appease him with slaves and sacrifices, and can never escape him...' (No wonder they'd be pissed; the Ancestors hadn't miraculously saved them from it. Of course, in this quest's lore, I think the North Dwarfs and the (Far)East Dwarfs were... basically independent, splinter, Kingdoms. So. In this quest's lore and backstory, they might not have been fully worshipping or being fully ruled over by the Ancestor Gods. Which might be a reason why they weren't miraculously saved by them. But, admittedly, you probably can't fully expect the Ancestor Gods to save you anyway if you went off to the North or East and said "Screw this, I want to do things my own way." The Ancestor Gods might not be able to save you if you do that sort of thing. But, that does not mean that they would not feel (ir?)rational resentment at being screwed over by fate and not having any divine backing.)

And then recently I had a thought to myself: "... What if the Comet the Cathayans summoned and hit the Ogres with... wasn't the arrival of Lavos ("Laaa-vooos!") like we all thought. Maybe the Cathayans didn't bring him forth from the skies him... maybe they just woke him up.

Maybe the Bighuge Comet wasn't them calling down Lavos. Maybe it was just them... ... knowing exactly where to target it. In order to wake him up. And probably piss him off. ("If you cast this spell, you will destroy a great many kingdoms..." "Which kingdoms? I've heard this story before, I know how it goes!" "Oh right, sorry -- yeah, it's just the Ogre Kingdoms getting 210 percent wrecked, don't worry.") And/or strike him with a comet of warpstone in the head and mutate him. But probably just wake him up, injure him, and make him want more and more food to appease.

Anyway. This is, again, totally in the Wild Mass Guessing category. And based on pretty much nothing but looking at a few similarities -- Hashut and Great Maw -- and coming up with another explanation of what the Great Comet of Cathay was or did.

Namely -- maybe there is something in the ground in the Warhammer Fantasy planet. ((No, not the same kinds of beings as from the Orcslayer novels. ... Actually I think those may have just been weird Chaos Spawn, or a weird ancient race that had converted to Chaos, like Dragon Ogres and others did, and mostly died out. No, this is something more primeval or primordial; like the magic trees, or some of the watery leviathans of the deep. Except these being beings of the crust and of fire.))

Some old, hoary, chthonic beings.

And in the Mountains of Mourn, these old subterranean beings dwell.

And maybe one of them became Hashut, enslaving some Chaos Dwarfs. And one of them (or maybe a lot of them; maybe they melded together into the Great Maw?) became the Great Maw. Or maybe it's the same type of divinity. Or related. Or maybe it's nothing at all.

Again, just interesting Wild Mass Guessing-tier stuff. But, well... It's interesting to think about.
 
[x] HALL: Yes
[x] MEAT: Yes
[x] ARM: No
[x] NUT: Yes
[x] PAPERS: Yes

I want to see if Mathilde is a racist towards 'evil' races too, or compassionate to her enemies as well, plus character development of not deluding herself.
I exchange money for the ARM into freeing some slaves.
 
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Namely -- maybe there is something in the ground in the Warhammer Fantasy planet. ((No, not the same kinds of beings as from the Orcslayer novels. ... Actually I think those may have just been weird Chaos Spawn, or a weird ancient race that had converted to Chaos, like Dragon Ogres and others did, and mostly died out. No, this is something more primeval or primordial; like the magic trees, or some of the watery leviathans of the deep. Except these being beings of the crust and of fire.))

Some old, hoary, chthonic beings.

And in the Mountains of Mourn, these old subterranean beings dwell.
Well actually, I mean...

The Great Horned Rat -- he, too, was an underworld/underground divinity. So, those weird psychic bugs aren't the only underground things with control powers/issues. ... Actually, the Great Horned Rat and the origin story of the Skaven, the Doom that came to Kavzar or Kazvar, also had comets and warpstone rains... ... This is actually starting to sound plausible and interestingly similar as far as theories go... Divine beings hiding out in the core or crust of the world. Awakened by titanic rains of warpstone or comet impact. Maybe also something to do with magma. Maybe something to do with Magma Dragons. Maybe something to do with the Dwellers Below. ... Or Shard Dragons. Aren't Shard Dragons the ones that have some kind of weird mind-bendy/nightmare-inducing powers or something?

Regardless, I think it's safe to say that warpstone rock showers are bad news. Something that will come as a surprise to all folk, I'm sure. :V
 
You want to emotionally torture and traumatize Mathilde? For your own curiosity? Seriously?

I want the lesser evil of freeing some slaves, than none of the slaves, and for Mathilde to not run away and leave people to die or suffer a fate worse than death, just because its more convenient for her emotions, and for her to get over the What measure is a non-human trope, plus ignorance is bliss way of thinking and face her problems in life than pretend they don't exist.
 
You want to emotionally torture and traumatize Mathilde? For your own curiosity? Seriously?
They probably vote for it because they think Mathilde facing down the ugliness of the world, an evil that is clearly physical and actual that she cannot remove with a wellplaced swordswing, is the kind of thing that'll be interesting to read about. The closest thing Mathilde as a character has come to facing something similar were the Skaven Breeders, and as moral challenge those were inherently different.

Mathilde was also emotionally tortured and traumatized by Abel dying in her arms, and yet the thread consensus is that him dying was ultimately to the story's benefit. The same reasoning can apply here.
 
Mathilde, not turning a blind eye, or burying her head in the sand and pretending everything is ok like some coward deluding him/herself that everything is ok.
That argument has a ridiculous amount of issues, with the Internet you can look at all the human suffering you want. By your logic everyone here is currently burying their heads in the sand by not seeking it out and watching it constantly.
 
Talking about putting a spoke in Chaos Dwarf operations, I don't really see anyway anything significant could be done to Uzkulak. Further south though, Greasus Gold Tooth should be in the process of beginning the consolidation of his hold on the passage through the Mountains of Mourn.

I think it's an extreme longshot but it seems vaguely possible he might be convinced to attempt to cut out the chaos dwarf middleman by taking over the Tower of Gorgoth. Again probably a pipe dream but it would seems like an idea that might be idly contemplated in K8Ps in future years, seeing as they're directly on the other side of the silver road to him, so would have a pretty up to date and clear understanding of his operations.
 
Mathilde, not turning a blind eye, or burying her head in the sand and pretending everything is ok like some coward deluding him/herself that everything is ok.
Mathilde has repeatedly said that this place is awful and it would be better burnt to the ground. How is that pretending this place is O.K? Does someone need to personally see something to know that thing isn't o.k? Does someone need to personally experience something in order to not be a coward?

I would find your argument somewhat compelling if Mathilde wasn't revolted by this place, but she clearly is.
 
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