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Wow! This thread is moving faster than I've ever seen it move before. Is this normal when I'm not hours late to the party?

Maybe Naru is a reincarnation of someone from Elysium, and this is its language?

Let's look at the descriptions again:
95 - A strange tome written in a language that looks sort of like High Lunar, but that the Senshi can't read
"Gibber..." The girl looks back at the book, one barely shaking finger reaching up and tracing over a letter. "Huh. That's... not Japanese."

(snip)

"Is this what it's like for you?" She asks, "When you first realized you could read that High Lunar bits of the Primer?"

And just like that, the words finally manage to click into Usagi's head in a way that makes sense. "You can read that?"

"Yeah," Naru confirms. "The Manual of Elemental Animation." She reads off the cover, before flipping the book back open.
Just making sure I understand the scene correctly: Usagi and Naru are both in the classroom at their desks, but the room is otherwise empty due to everyone else being distracted by the talent show mind control, correct?

Naru definitely has something odd going on if she can read the book while Usagi can't. Elysium wouldn't be my first guess, though. The Silver Millennium was explicitly mentioned (at least in this quest) to be an interstellar civilization, and to have colonies on many planets even within this one star system. That's a lot of room for language drift.

"Looks sort of like" presumably means it uses the same character set as High Lunar (or one with only minor modifications and adaptations), but there's still plenty of room for incomprehensibility within that range. For comparison:
> The Latin alphabet is also used by English, French, and Icelandic (I might be misunderstanding that last one). Not interchangeable.
> My understanding was that Mandarin and Cantonese use the same character set, and Japanese uses a fairly similar one.

In short, there should be plenty of other places Naru's mysterious linguistic talent could have come from, without pulling in such an exotic location as Elysium.

Also, the phrase "high Lunar" seems to imply the existence of a "low Lunar" (I've also heard of "high German" and "low German") so the book might be written in Low Lunar.

Not what I asked. Why does Ami think that magic is something that only certain people can use? That you have to be special, a reincarnate or blessed or something, to use magic? Why assume it isn't available to anyone with the correct knowledge?
My first guess would be that Ami (or her research material in the Mercury Computer) is focused primarily on senshi magic first and foremost, which explicitly relies heavily on an external power source (and this source presumably has some security features in place to deter unauthorized access).

Compatibility with the augmentation template might be somewhat limited. Compatibility with magic in general should be much more common, but if the Mercury Computer gives it only superficial coverage, Ami's knowledge base will be limited. Also, Ami hasn't had the computer very long (one week? Maybe two?), and in that time she was primarily focused on improving herself, and could have given other magic styles only a quick glance.

Typos:
And I go apologize for how this is going to sound. But you have seen that our enemies are capable of both taking on the forms of others as well a directly manipulating the thoughts of others.
do ; as

"At the moment, the most secure locations of the Yotsuba group are secured using a fascinating technology that scans an individuals hands in order to restrict entry."
individual's
(note the apostrophe; what you have there is a plural)

Everyone turns to look at the girl. "We know that not everyone is capable of using magic, however there should be a large per... Percent... What suffix would I be using in this case?"
Why is Ami getting tripped up on this? Isn't she supposed to be the smart one? Or is the conversation taking place in English despite everyone in the room (except possibly the butler) being native Japanese speakers?

Or is the context confusing me somehow and this is Alice talking?

"Okay. So, it is going to take me at least a week to find properties that will be able to work as a good base for you. Some let us reconvene two weeks from now,
So

hear something that she most certainly wasn't supposed to. Alice giggle madly, "Oh my god,
giggles
(Looks like the rest of that scene was in present tense, at least)

the three senshi go there separate ways for the night.
their

They are all far more interested in working on their different acts, many of whom have full on abandoned the classrooms
and many of them
("whom" is the interrogative direct object pronoun; there isn't a question here for it to fit in.)

"Oh~ What's this?" Naru asks, reaching into Usagi's bag and pulling out the heavy tome with it's unknown title.
its
(In English, possessive pronouns don't have the apostrophe; compare "his", "hers", and the possessive adjective "theirs"; the word you have there is a contraction for "it is").

"When you first realized you could read that High Lunar bits of the Primer?"
either "the" or "those"
("that" is singular, which doesn't fit the rest of the sentence.)

But now that is finally gone, and you hurry into the restroom,
You jumped from third person (most of the chapter) to second person in this paragraph I don't think that was on purpose.

There's several other odd grammar and punctuation pieces, but more than I want to take the time to fully point out.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if this has already been talked about, but a few thoughts on why Beryl is doing these energy-draining schemes instead of declaring outright war.

  1. She wants to rule the world, not a wasteland
  2. She doesn't think that the Dark Kingdom can beat the modern world/isn't sure enough of the world's capabilites to tell, one way or another.
  3. It takes too much energy to send more than small teams across the gap/only elite youma can survive the transition
  4. Bad experiences fighting the Lunars make her not want to try again.
  5. She just likes covert ops versus full-scale war
  6. Reviving Metallia takes too much of her time and energy to also coordinate an entire war
  7. Something else I thought of in the shower but can't remember now.
 
[X][Shapelin] The Treadmill! Run, run, run! Gotta work on your endurance
[X][Shapelin] Leg Press Machine! The more weight you put on, the stronger your kicks will be!
[X][Shapelin]...Wasn't there some other reason that you came here?
 
Why is Ami getting tripped up on this? Isn't she supposed to be the smart one? Or is the conversation taking place in English despite everyone in the room (except possibly the butler) being native Japanese speakers?

Or is the context confusing me somehow and this is Alice talking?

My reading is that that's Usagi speaking actually.
Just making sure I understand the scene correctly: Usagi and Naru are both in the classroom at their desks, but the room is otherwise empty due to everyone else being distracted by the talent show mind control, correct?

Naru definitely has something odd going on if she can read the book while Usagi can't. Elysium wouldn't be my first guess, though. The Silver Millennium was explicitly mentioned (at least in this quest) to be an interstellar civilization, and to have colonies on many planets even within this one star system. That's a lot of room for language drift.

"Looks sort of like" presumably means it uses the same character set as High Lunar (or one with only minor modifications and adaptations), but there's still plenty of room for incomprehensibility within that range. For comparison:
> The Latin alphabet is also used by English, French, and Icelandic (I might be misunderstanding that last one). Not interchangeable.
> My understanding was that Mandarin and Cantonese use the same character set, and Japanese uses a fairly similar one.

In short, there should be plenty of other places Naru's mysterious linguistic talent could have come from, without pulling in such an exotic location as Elysium.

Also, the phrase "high Lunar" seems to imply the existence of a "low Lunar" (I've also heard of "high German" and "low German") so the book might be written in Low Lunar.
nah, character sheet updated, it shows this now:


Speaker of Elysium Naru somehow is able to read Elysium, the language of the Ancient Earth Kingdom.

So yeah, it's the old earth language.

And if the Silver millennium was a unified government, it would make sense for the various planets to share a language (in this case probably Lunar, though there might be a "low" version), while Earth was explicitely a separate world with separate rulers (and also much much weaker and lower tech apparently)
 
Not what I asked. Why does Ami think that magic is something that only certain people can use? That you have to be special, a reincarnate or blessed or something, to use magic? Why assume it isn't available to anyone with the correct knowledge?
I keep trying to find a way to answer this question without once more going back to using Nanoha terminology, but I keeping coming back to the same phrasing.

Essentially, back in the Silver Millennium there were two relatively rare medical conditions that affect the "Linker Core" of individuals, the particular organ that allows for the sophisticated manipulation of Magical energies.

These medical conditions were rare, but had a notably higher appearance on Earth, Saturn and Pluto.

One of the two is a malformation of the 'Linker Core' making it so that while the individual has the ability to channel magic, they have no means of shaping it, while the other is essentially the opposite causing an overability to shape magical energies without being able to channel a large amount through their bodies.

Ami was going to theorize that with the Great Collapse and the lose of pretty much all technology, these medical conditions likely increased in commonality.

So it is less that Magic is something that only special people can use, and more that due to a lack of knowledge about the organ and a lack of the kinds of magical medicines that could assist in counteracting these issue, they are wide spread.
 
[X][Shapelin]...Wasn't there some other reason that you came here?
[X][Shapelin] Leg Press Machine! The more weight you put on, the stronger your kicks will be!
[X][Shapelin] The Treadmill! Run, run, run! Gotta work on your endurance
 
[X][Shapelin]...Wasn't there some other reason that you came here?
[x][Shapelin] The Treadmill! Run, run, run! Gotta work on your endurance
[X][Shapelin] Leg Press Machine! The more weight you put on, the stronger your kicks will be!

Work on legs and then..... whatever else we came here for.
 
[X][Shapelin]...Wasn't there some other reason that you came here?
[x][Shapelin] The Treadmill! Run, run, run! Gotta work on your endurance
[X][Shapelin] Leg Press Machine! The more weight you put on, the stronger your kicks will be!
 
[X][Shapelin] The Treadmill! Run, run, run! Gotta work on your endurance
[X][Shapelin] Leg Press Machine! The more weight you put on, the stronger your kicks will be!
Never skip leg day. Also, Makoto's example suggests that boosts to a Sailor Scout's strength and endurance are multiplicative rather than additive, so definitely go for this yeah. Of course, after a while...

[X][Shapelin]...Wasn't there some other reason that you came here?

[whisper]
Moon Tiara Stardust
[whisper]

At least with it being a really big gym, there's probably changing rooms for privacy where no one will ask why we're sparkling.

I keep trying to find a way to answer this question without once more going back to using Nanoha terminology, but I keeping coming back to the same phrasing.

Essentially, back in the Silver Millennium there were two relatively rare medical conditions that affect the "Linker Core" of individuals, the particular organ that allows for the sophisticated manipulation of Magical energies.

These medical conditions were rare, but had a notably higher appearance on Earth, Saturn and Pluto.

One of the two is a malformation of the 'Linker Core' making it so that while the individual has the ability to channel magic, they have no means of shaping it, while the other is essentially the opposite causing an overability to shape magical energies without being able to channel a large amount through their bodies.

Ami was going to theorize that with the Great Collapse and the lose of pretty much all technology, these medical conditions likely increased in commonality.

So it is less that Magic is something that only special people can use, and more that due to a lack of knowledge about the organ and a lack of the kinds of magical medicines that could assist in counteracting these issue, they are wide spread.
So... if I'm hearing this right, it sounds like this can be slightly amended to "the vast majority of humans have limited natural ability to channel magic, with the [Chained Core/Seed of Heaven/Mystical Heart] being either too clumsy, too weak, or both." With the right magical corrective surgery, magically active medications, or possibly active magitech (say, a runic array you wear), this can be compensated for in most people... But the knowledge of how to do this has been lost and just reading the Mercury Computer doesn't give Ami a clear idea of how to fix that.

I guess it's sort of like imagining a world where the vast majority of people needed eyeglasses and 20/20 vision was a rare trait... and we got bombed back into the Stone Age, so the ability to manufacture eyeglasses has been lost.

Something to work towards with the eventual goal of reinstating the Silver Millennium...

...So Nanoha crossover when?
It's been alluded to in Hocus Kadabra. The High Lunar word for the bit that lets humans do magic has multiple translations into Japanese/English:

Chained Core/Seed of Heaven/Mystical Heart.
 
I keep trying to find a way to answer this question without once more going back to using Nanoha terminology, but I keeping coming back to the same phrasing.
There is absolutely no problem with using appropriate terminology. Nanoha has a much more scientific approach to magic so tends to have more accurate and less metaphorical explanations.

Nice bit of world building. I always appreciate such.
That said…

Ami was going to theorize that with the Great Collapse and the lose of pretty much all technology, these medical conditions likely increased in commonality.
Ok… but why though? That is a theory she might have come up with to explain why most people can't use magic. However only an extremely pessimistic individual would assume that because the SM had rare medical conditions the modern world must have them as overwhelmingly common conditions.

Also the only way I can imagine such conditions becoming extremely common, but not universal, is if the genes (or magical equivalents if applicable) for a healthy Linker Core are really unstable. You need a whole bunch of different factors to all line up properly.
Which has very disturbing implications for how the SM managed to get most, but not all, of their population to have healthy Linker Cores.

So it is less that Magic is something that only special people can use, and more that due to a lack of knowledge about the organ and a lack of the kinds of magical medicines that could assist in counteracting these issue, they are wide spread.
/shrug
Fairly academic unless Ami and Moon Bunny Ltd* can produce those medicines and get the magic rate well above 99%. Having some people be empowered specials and others be disabled normals is going to cause some very ugly issues no matter what the explanations for it are.
Hopefully closer to My Hero Academia than Marvel's X-Men but somewhere on that spectrum.

*Can we call our new company Moon Bunny Ltd?
 
[X][Shapelin]...Wasn't there some other reason that you came here?
[x][Shapelin] The Treadmill! Run, run, run! Gotta work on your endurance
[X][Shapelin] Leg Press Machine! The more weight you put on, the stronger your kicks will be!

Something something don't skip leg day :V
 
There is absolutely no problem with using appropriate terminology. Nanoha has a much more scientific approach to magic so tends to have more accurate and less metaphorical explanations.

Nice bit of world building. I always appreciate such.
That said…

Ok… but why though? That is a theory she might have come up with to explain why most people can't use magic. However only an extremely pessimistic individual would assume that because the SM had rare medical conditions the modern world must have them as overwhelmingly common conditions.

Also the only way I can imagine such conditions becoming extremely common, but not universal, is if the genes (or magical equivalents if applicable) for a healthy Linker Core are really unstable. You need a whole bunch of different factors to all line up properly.
Which has very disturbing implications for how the SM managed to get most, but not all, of their population to have healthy Linker Cores.

/shrug
Fairly academic unless Ami and Moon Bunny Ltd* can produce those medicines and get the magic rate well above 99%. Having some people be empowered specials and others be disabled normals is going to cause some very ugly issues no matter what the explanations for it are.
Hopefully closer to My Hero Academia than Marvel's X-Men but somewhere on that spectrum.

*Can we call our new company Moon Bunny Ltd?
Okay, to dispense with all diagetic explanations, the reason why magic is so rare is in order to make the Sailor Moon state of affairs work properly with the two crossovers that are going to show up once you reach the point of being a polity because they have starting status quos in which magic is a rarity among the population of Earth, and I am essentially attempting to reverse engineer back from those states a reasonable explanation for why Magic has gone from ubiquitous to rare.

If you have alternative ideas for how this could have happened, I would love to hear them.
 
Okay, to dispense with all diagetic explanations, the reason why magic is so rare is in order to make the Sailor Moon state of affairs work properly with the two crossovers that are going to show up once you reach the point of being a polity because they have starting status quos in which magic is a rarity among the population of Earth, and I am essentially attempting to reverse engineer back from those states a reasonable explanation for why Magic has gone from ubiquitous to rare.

If you have alternative ideas for how this could have happened, I would love to hear them.
Might it be very difficult to unlock, but with a possibility of some to be unlocked at birth? Therefore making it so theoretically most, if not all could be awakened, but mostly out of reach without the base the pre collapse nations had, and yet allowing for a presence of magic after said collapse.
 
Might it be very difficult to unlock, but with a possibility of some to be unlocked at birth? Therefore making it so theoretically most, if not all could be awakened, but mostly out of reach without the base the pre collapse nations had, and yet allowing for a presence of magic after said collapse.
basically this. Make it so that only a sufficiently advanced mage can unlock others's magics, and make it tiring/time consuming enough, and that gives a valid excuse for why not everyone has magic immediately made available.

We could probably come up with better explanations depending on the specific crossovers, but I imagine you want to keep this a surprise
 
Okay, to dispense with all diagetic explanations, the reason why magic is so rare is in order to make the Sailor Moon state of affairs work properly with the two crossovers that are going to show up once you reach the point of being a polity because they have starting status quos in which magic is a rarity among the population of Earth, and I am essentially attempting to reverse engineer back from those states a reasonable explanation for why Magic has gone from ubiquitous to rare.

If you have alternative ideas for how this could have happened, I would love to hear them.
Maybe backlash from Queen Serenity reincarnating everyone? The end of the Silver Millennium was so catastrophic that magic essentially was unusable except in very small amounts, like A Song of Ice and Fire's Doom of Valyria, and it's only now that the backlash has settled that magic is safely usable, reincarnations can safely manifest, and things like the Dark Kingdom can even use magic again?
 
Might it be very difficult to unlock, but with a possibility of some to be unlocked at birth? Therefore making it so theoretically most, if not all could be awakened, but mostly out of reach without the base the pre collapse nations had, and yet allowing for a presence of magic after said collapse.
Which honestly... Now that I specifically think about it, the answer that fits that and doesn't require me to rewrite things is the equally simple statement that what I said before is as stated Ami's theory due to the information that she has access to.

Just because she's a genius doesn't mean she' always right.
 
[X][Shapelin]...Wasn't there some other reason that you came here?
[x][Shapelin] The Treadmill! Run, run, run! Gotta work on your endurance
[X][Shapelin] Leg Press Machine! The more weight you put on, the stronger your kicks will be!
 
[x] [Shapelin] The Vertical Climber! CARDIO IS GOOD FOR YOU! HOO-RAH!
[x] [Shapelin] The Treadmill! Run, run, run! Gotta work on your endurance
[x] [Shapelin]...Wasn't there some other reason that you came here?
 
Here's a relatively simple answer: during the collapse of all the local kingdoms, the Dark Kingdom focused on killing the population with the highest magical ability and working down. So on Earth, those suffering from the above disabilities composed most of the survivors. As there is a partial genetic basis, the genes for "no magic" became dominant.

Additionally, we know that stuff like Yokai were more common back in the day. So while magical ability granted greater ability to defend yourself, it also made you a target(either because you're a threat, or because you're a bigger/better meal), and it came with expectations.

Over the millennia/centuries, magical ability was simply bred out, as it proved less able to pass on their genes due to deaths and/or being too busy to have many children.

Remember: the genes passed on aren't the ones that are best for the species or even the individuals, just the ones that increased the odds of spreading more.
 
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Okay, to dispense with all diagetic explanations, the reason why magic is so rare is in order to make the Sailor Moon state of affairs work properly with the two crossovers that are going to show up once you reach the point of being a polity because they have starting status quos in which magic is a rarity among the population of Earth, and I am essentially attempting to reverse engineer back from those states a reasonable explanation for why Magic has gone from ubiquitous to rare.

If you have alternative ideas for how this could have happened, I would love to hear them.
Maybe Magic is really hard to start training without knowledge.
So with the fall of the Silver Millenium it was lost.

Without knowledge of magic people couldnt train it properly so even if someone did manage to unlock it they had no means to share that with others.

Maybe some people actually survived, but even if they had advanced magic knowledge, they might have depended on modern tools, and without them they would have been helpless, like a modern doctor or engineer suddenly limited to stone tools.

Places with strong magic could have been contaminated or reclaimed by nature.

Maybe there was an era where really powerful magical creatures grew from the leftover magical places and their uncontroled strenght destroyed most of them.

Hell, maybe the fact that the Silver Crystal and the Star Seeds where active made magic more common on a global scale. I mean, wasnt there life in the other planets and some moons of the solar system?

So rather than one thing, it was an accumulation of several stuff that led to the decay of magic.

I mean, for all we know, Earth a long time ago started with the same ammount of magic as now and it was people growing stronger, creating magical places, devices and living creatures was what led to that magically abundant past.
 
Which honestly... Now that I specifically think about it, the answer that fits that and doesn't require me to rewrite things is the equally simple statement that what I said before is as stated Ami's theory due to the information that she has access to.

Just because she's a genius doesn't mean she' always right.
Here's a relatively simple answer: during the collapse of all the local kingdoms, the Dark Kingdom focused on killing the population with the highest magical ability and working down. So on Earth, those suffering from the above disabilities composed most of the survivors. As there is a partial genetic basis, the genes for "no magic" became dominant.

Additionally, we know that stuff like Yokai were more common back in the day. So while magical ability granted greater ability to defend yourself, it also made you a target(either because you're a threat, or because you're a bigger/better meal), and it came with expectations.

Over the millennia/centuries, magical ability was simply bred out, as it proved less able to pass on their genes due to deaths and/or being too busy to have many children.

Remember: the genes passed on aren't the ones that are best for the species or even the individuals, just the ones that increased the odds of spreading more.
There's also the option of awakening magic being very counterintuitive if you don't know what you're doing or have someone helping you. Something like the old 'explaining color to someone blind from birth' paradox or something similar.
 
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