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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Takesis said:
Why not burny to see what he can give us for this?

[X] Try to get more information out of Robert's killer
-[X] Sacrifice it to a god (risk that any information will be lost since it is recent and not intrinsic to the spirit)
-[X] R'hllor the Red, be his light reveal the truth
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Because the Old Gods have an older beef and we already fed that asshole a lot.
 
Shador said:
I didn't mean to insinuate anything, and I'm sorry if my questioning came out that way. I genuinely didn't get what bothered you so much about it and wanted to understand.

I kinda agree with you now that you pointed my attention to this actually. I hope the Void is better presented when the Others advance south and the war actually begins.
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Gotta learn that when Azel says something with a quote, it's not necessarily a condemnation based on perceived malice, more frustration at your perception seems genuine enough that this is what everyone in the thread seems to think.

Granted that's based on a perception that the information is conveyed and presented in that way.

@DragonParadox I will agree that I would treat the Void even more seriously than I already do if, rather than being described as "alas, poor villain" like many fiends typically are, having it be just strictly uncanny and unsettling, leaning in CreepyPastas existentialism, or perhaps House of Leaves, than not.

The Void is basically supposed to be something that is hard to even comprehend, and actively thinking about it for powerful beings should draw commiserate attention. Hence why even dealing with it is difficult even for people with the power to back up the attempt.
 
[X] Try to get more information out of Robert's killer
-[x] Bargain, perhaps with Rina and waymsar's aid
-[x] offer removal of void via magic anti other sword (I forgot it's name)
 
DragonParadox said:
BTW the general theme is nihilism, the desire to end everything forever. Translated to human emotions you get something like depression, which IMO is a lot more scary than any Big Stompy Monster or stat block because that is a thing humans out here is real life have to face.

That is why I try to give even the most eldritch evils a human face sometimes, because I believe that fundamentally the things that scare us the most are the ones we have experiance with. It's like the difference between Buffy the Vampire Slayer that used monsters as metaphors for the dangers of life and the evils of humanity and Charmed that just had monsters be weird dudes in cheap costumes.

I don't really want to pick this apart too much since I might accidentally give away plot developments or something.
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That's a shame. IMO some of the scariest things are beyond our comprehension, in the Lovecraft style. Things that we can't even hope to understand, even if we can try to view their actions through our eyes. Putting a human face on everything kind of reminds me of Naruto going downhill with every villain and their mother getting a tragic backstory.

Not every villain needs to be relatable. Sometimes it's enough for them to be fucking terrifying.
 
Duesal said:
That's a shame. IMO some of the scariest things are beyond our comprehension, in the Lovecraft style. Things that we can't even hope to understand, even if we can try to view their actions through our eyes. Putting a human face on everything kind of reminds me of Naruto going downhill with every villain and their mother getting a tragic backstory.

Not every villain needs to be relatable. Sometimes it's enough for them to be fucking terrifying.
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Not every villain is redeemable, not by a long shot, but if you guys want to try impossible things I'm not going to show you the line OOC.
 
Duesal said:
That's a shame. IMO some of the scariest things are beyond our comprehension, in the Lovecraft style. Things that we can't even hope to understand, even if we can try to view their actions through our eyes. Putting a human face on everything kind of reminds me of Naruto going downhill with every villain and their mother getting a tragic backstory.

Not every villain needs to be relatable. Sometimes it's enough for them to be fucking terrifying.
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We have the Far Realm for that. Qohor was scary as hell, and the worst part of it is that the Goat was trying to just feel the world throught its children, or somethig like that.

The Void? It might be an existential threat, but should it be the one you can't understand? No, it should feel relentless and ever advancing, but I don't think that it should be exactly alien.
 
Can we use this sword to give the void ice fae back her mind?
Description: Written in runes ill-matched and terrible upon ancient bronze is an enchantment unlike any other among the works of the First Men. The sword that brings mourning this is, reaper of sorrows and giver of grief, yet bound deeper in its script is another blasphemous hope, to take the gifts that lie like a canker upon the soul and remind the pitiless what it is to feel pity.

Ability:
  1. +4 Enchantment Bane
  2. Void Bane: +4 Attack and 4d6 damage against servants of the Void
  3. Frost Sunder: Ignores half of Armor and NA of Winter Touched creatures (Does not apply to Dodge DEX or deflection AC)
  4. Torment of the Heartless: On a critical hit from this weapon against a servant of the Void the target must make a DC 22 Will save or be wracked by terrible remorse and rendered nauseated. On a successful save the target is still sickened.
Curse: Will seal away the power the bearer values most. A mindless wielder is immune to the bane, but also unable to benefit from the boon beyond the base enchantment bonus. The curse's power runs soul deep, potentially able to seal away oaths of otherwise unbreakable loyalty, the corruption of the Lower Planes, perhaps even the Void itself.

Caster Level: 22
 
Cheap Orange Knofe said:
Can we use this sword to give the void ice fae back her mind?
Description: Written in runes ill-matched and terrible upon ancient bronze is an enchantment unlike any other among the works of the First Men. The sword that brings mourning this is, reaper of sorrows and giver of grief, yet bound deeper in its script is another blasphemous hope, to take the gifts that lie like a canker upon the soul and remind the pitiless what it is to feel pity.

Ability:
  1. +4 Enchantment Bane
  2. Void Bane: +4 Attack and 4d6 damage against servants of the Void
  3. Frost Sunder: Ignores half of Armor and NA of Winter Touched creatures (Does not apply to Dodge DEX or deflection AC)
  4. Torment of the Heartless: On a critical hit from this weapon against a servant of the Void the target must make a DC 22 Will save or be wracked by terrible remorse and rendered nauseated. On a successful save the target is still sickened.
Curse: Will seal away the power the bearer values most. A mindless wielder is immune to the bane, but also unable to benefit from the boon beyond the base enchantment bonus. The curse's power runs soul deep, potentially able to seal away oaths of otherwise unbreakable loyalty, the corruption of the Lower Planes, perhaps even the Void itself.

Caster Level: 22
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*Stabs Snow White*

Viserys: "You free now?"

Snow White: "I SHALL DEVOUR YOUR SOUL"

*Twists it*

Viserys: "Now?"

SW: "I SHALL DO SO SLOWLY, SO THAT YOU SUFFER AS YOU SLIP INTO OBLIVION!"

*Removes it*

SW: "I WILL-Oh, thank you. Where were we? Oh, right. YOU SHALL SUFFER ETERNAL AGONY"

Lya: "I don't think it's working"

Glyra: "I am a fey expert, you just need to shove it up somewhere else"

Snow White: "WAI- NONONONO I AGREE!"

Glyra: "Told you!"
 
Tomcost said:
We have the Far Realm for that. Qohor was scary as hell, and the worst part of it is that the Goat was trying to just feel the world throught its children, or somethig like that.

The Void? It might be an existential threat, but should it be the one you can't understand? No, it should feel relentless and ever advancing, but I don't think that it should be exactly alien.
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It's pretty damn alien, imo. It's an end to everything that ever was and ever will be. This is the force that sundered the Celestial Planes and broke the world. This is nihilism given form and purpose, something that can't be bargained with, only fought to the bitter end.

That's not to say we can't understand it, but giving things a human face isn't necessarily the best bet. This is far beyond humanity.
 
Duesal said:
It's pretty damn alien, imo. It's an end to everything that ever was and ever will be. This is the force that sundered the Celestial Planes and broke the world. This is nihilism given form and purpose, something that can't be bargained with, only fought to the bitter end.

That's not to say we can't understand it, but giving things a human face isn't necessarily the best bet. This is far beyond humanity.
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Bear in mind, the human face has been given through its corrupted agents. It has to be rationalized somehow by the beings who share a similar psyche than us.

We didn't have this conversation about the ancient death ooze powering that serpentfolk facility in Sothoryos, neither about the voidshark that fought the envoy of the Ferryman. Those were straight up sacrifice fodder (if only we could have the Nightshade corpse, though).

We are having this conversation about a Fey who nailed how depressed Robert was and convinced him to die by snu-snu
 
Tomcost said:
Bear in mind, the human face has been given through its corrupted agents. It has to be rationalized somehow by the beings who share a similar psyche than us.

We didn't have this conversation about the ancient death ooze powering that serpentfolk facility in Sothoryos, neither about the voidshark that fought the envoy of the Ferryman. Those were straight up sacrifice fodder (if only we could have the Nightshade corpse, though).

We are having this conversation about a Fey who nailed how depressed Robert was and convinced him to die by snu-snu
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It's also a fey that has existed for unknown eons in service to the Void. Even if it knew how to seduce Robert to his death that's not a ringing endorsement.
 
Duesal said:
It's also a fey that has existed for unknown eons in service to the Void. Even if it knew how to seduce Robert to his death that's not a ringing endorsement.
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Well, I'll give the point that from all the outsiders we have met, probably Fey are the most weird, with their narrativium-fueled logic. Still, it is not the void, but a servant that was once part of something else and could change.

Yet what I have is mostly curiosity. Why is that these things even get to follow the Void? Maybe it is not a conversation we should be having, but Viserys should be above corruption by it simply talking to us.
 
Feed it to the trees. Best case scenario, it goes like Rina and we get someone useful for it. Worst case scenarion, one less enemy and happy trees.
[X] Azel
 
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Wait a minute
Couldn't we use Scribe's Binding on the Winter Fey? If the Void taint spreads too fast for slow, methodical research we can just sacrifice the book.
 
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