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- United States
It really depends on the Larder filling up. We're near empty at the moment.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
I would not be opposed to shoving a couple thousand HD their way, apiece.
Personally I would hold off until after the invasion at the earliest, and if the larder is still a bit light, maybe until after Qohor.
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Right. Qohor...yeah after the invasion is more than fine with me. That city will be sacrifice central.
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- Germany
[X] Azel
The Highgarden-group should be sufficient, but still stay careful, we know that each court send a skilled Fey Knight to Highgarden and those might be trouble.
The Highgarden-group should be sufficient, but still stay careful, we know that each court send a skilled Fey Knight to Highgarden and those might be trouble.
[X] Azel
Guys while appreciate that it was a victory. Try not to sound so gleeful about it, it was a straight up genocide and you and I both remember that rome quest and its fallout.
Also it was a tragedy, and I implore DP to at least try to showcase that it was a tragedy.
Also it was a tragedy, and I implore DP to at least try to showcase that it was a tragedy.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
No, it wasn't.
Debatable.
We are only so gleeful because there's nothing in standing in front of actual good story now, I think.
CoS was an IC obstacle that infuriated us for a while OOC.
It isn't because "Hurr durr,
Claiming the thread is genocidal or takes great fun in exterminating based off a singular feature is just straight up false.
In the years before, such insinuations/accusations led to lots of salty shouting and people 'ignore'ing each-other, so please don't.
Yes it was. You basically killed thousands of people and you weren't even at war with them. That's completely genocide.
Sure there is. We literally had a talk about how random events and such were messing with the narrative flow last update. That had nothing to do with the COS. I would even argue that they weren't really that big of a problem story wise. Killing them doesn't solve the more fundamental problems..
Genocide doesn't have to be for a racial reasons. It can be political as well.
You can enjoy it OOC sure but IC it's still genocide and I felt prudent to warn people that you can get infraction for that
I am not saying the thread is genocidal, since it's real people living their own lives. I am saying the character is in fact genocidal.
I am not afraid of salt. Why would I stop from saying what I think is true.
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- Germany
@Acolyte, you are misunderstanding what that Rome thread was about. It was explicitly about genociding Muslims, with such tasty votes as "how do you torture all these people to death?" and "do you rape and murder or enslave all the women and children?"
Also contrast and compare the kerfuffle about that one Warhammer thread were people got into hot water for wanking about how they want to horrifically murder all the Skaven, because exterminating is the only logical way to deal with such vermin.
What gets you mod attention are:
- complete dehumanization of a sentient group ("They are all worthless vermin who will rape and murder us all if we don't do it first to them!")
- posting one-handed while talking about torture ("... and then we cook their own children and make them eat them! Would that not be great?")
- implying that genocide is the only logical option ("They will not stop trying to murder us, as long as a single one of them exists, because they are incapable of doing otherwise, so we must murder them all!")
I mean, yes, the thread occasionally threatens to run afoul of these things, but not in regards to Fey. It's the treatment of Fiends that is often skirting into very dangerous territory.
But after repeatedly getting yelled at for pointing out the hypocrisy and nonsense inherent to this, I'm not going to bother anymore.
Also contrast and compare the kerfuffle about that one Warhammer thread were people got into hot water for wanking about how they want to horrifically murder all the Skaven, because exterminating is the only logical way to deal with such vermin.
What gets you mod attention are:
- complete dehumanization of a sentient group ("They are all worthless vermin who will rape and murder us all if we don't do it first to them!")
- posting one-handed while talking about torture ("... and then we cook their own children and make them eat them! Would that not be great?")
- implying that genocide is the only logical option ("They will not stop trying to murder us, as long as a single one of them exists, because they are incapable of doing otherwise, so we must murder them all!")
I mean, yes, the thread occasionally threatens to run afoul of these things, but not in regards to Fey. It's the treatment of Fiends that is often skirting into very dangerous territory.
But after repeatedly getting yelled at for pointing out the hypocrisy and nonsense inherent to this, I'm not going to bother anymore.
Fair enough. You seem to know what's what.
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- Germany
Well, I did run a quest with a spot of genocide and had Squishy himself judge it acceptable, so let's just say that I followed these events rather closely for obvious reasons.
Link.
Also for posterity I still maintain it was a genocide as we had no official declaration of war.
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- Germany
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It absolutely was! Not even in the colloquial sense, but even by the strict legal definition! That actually takes some effort to achieve.
But, and this is the important point, we haven't been doing it for reasons of "all the Fey must die", but to destroy a polity we were seeing as an enemy. We didn't torture them for funsies and we are even now marching out to recruit the survivors. There's no racist motive or subtext here.
And as far as I am concerned, there is no ambiguity that what we just did was insanely evil. Like, we are literally the big bad of the story who has succeeded at his giant death ritual.
I know that some people will now come out and lay into me for suggesting such bad things, but whatever.
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- ferreries
How is the fact that we weren't formaly at war relevant? I'm really asking, I don't understand your argument.
Also, our objective never was to exterminate every single fey of the CoS, but rather to kill a lot of them, especially their high ranking ones, in order to shater the CoS as a political entity. That is not genocide by any definition I know, thats a massacre.
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- Germany
The important part is the intent, which was to destroy the Fey equivalent of a nation and to a very large degree their way of life by bringing them into a precarious situation that makes it easier to absorb them into the Imperium and impose a way of life on them that we deem acceptable. I mean, they were not exactly the innocent saints in that regard, what with the whole Feywild merger plan of theirs, but two wrongs make not one right.
But hey. Mission accomplished. The CoS is defunct as a polity and most of the survivors won't be able to keep their independence from us as long as they don't run off into the Feywild.
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- ferreries
My argument never was about the morality of it though? Like, we murdered all of those fey in cold blood because they were in the way of our plans, thats just facts. I just disagreed with "genocide" as a definition of what happened, but at this point we're just arguing semantics. Let's just agree it was fucking evil and we don't regret it one bit.
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I'm just phrasing things very carefully, since I'm expecting people to jump at me for saying that this was a big pile of Evil being done. The first line of defense tends to be "they totally deserved that!" and thus I'm pre-emptively arguing against that line of thought.
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- United States
I don't think anyone disagrees with this being a very evil thing to have done, more that those of us who voted for it saw no other choice if we wanted the Imperium to survive. We just killed the queen and most of her highest nobles. But by definition because of how targeted the attack was specifically against the highest leadership, it is not genocide at all. We're not out to burn down every single Fey we find. Hell, even with the Court of Stars we're not out to destroy them all. Now that the leadership is mostly defunct we're well positioned to swoop in and demand surrender.
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- India
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@Azel, @Goldfish, just a paranoid question, what is stopping some other polity from pulling the exact same thing against us? There are many evil gods out there, vengeful immortal Fey survivors who can and will bide their time till they gather the resources needed for this endeavor, the Deep Ones, and of course, the Seven. We just opened Pandora's Box.
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- ferreries
While that could maybe could be said about the leaders responsible for their plans for the Reach, our attack was indiscriminate enough that I'm pretty sure we slaughtered a bunch of innocents.
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- Germany
They don't have that crown. This only worked since we got a major artifact that had a deep connection to the court in general and the Queen in particular. Otherwise we wouldn't have been able to so completely bypass all their defenses.
The equivalent for Viserys would likely be... our familiar. Or one of her bodies for Lya.
It's not that easy to replicate as you think.
I might be wrong but I want to point out that we were technically at war with the CoS because they were allied with the Tyrells and we are at war against them because they are Robert's subject, even if after the royal fleet was shown home we were more or less in cold war.
I'm aware that from a modern point of view that is not enough and I am unsure of the state of war declaration in-universe.
I'm aware that from a modern point of view that is not enough and I am unsure of the state of war declaration in-universe.
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- ferreries
I'm fairly certain we could have won against the CoS without resorting to mass murder. This was just easier and faster.