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[X] egoo

We may want to look into getting our army some AOE damage for the regular legionary kits. Molotov Cocktails are pretty cheap to manufacture, and produce a good amount of fire AOE for the price.
 
Speed53066 said:
Yes, but is it as cheap and easy to make by a normal person, and doesn't use up an alchemist's time?
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Actually, isn't high proof alcohol kinda hard for people in this setting to make? It would likely be the province of alchemists with delicate equipment for that (or I guess our new company that sells alcoholic beverages, including spirits). And stuff like ethanol, methanol etc. would be basically non-existent.

We think of molotovs as ubiquitous, but that's really just a sign of how common easily acquirable, highly flammable liquids are in the modern era, or even during the 20th century.

They have burning pitch, quicklime, but really none of that sounds easy or convenient to use, more like something people with a lot of time and nowhere to go (besieged folks) would dig out.
 
@Crake, I have my list, but is there an up-to-date on what strategic/economy/etc. non-Hero Character actions we are taking this month and need reports on?
Gdoc spreadsheet make me confuse regarding what's done and not.

Also, RAs. Dew eet.
 
Crake said:
Actually, isn't high proof alcohol kinda hard for people in this setting to make? It would likely be the province of alchemists with delicate equipment for that (or I guess our new company that sells alcoholic beverages, including spirits). And stuff like ethanol, methanol etc. would be basically non-existent.

We think of molotovs as ubiquitous, but that's really just a sign of how common easily acquirable, highly flammable liquids are in the modern era, or even during the 20th century.

They have burning pitch, quicklime, but really none of that sounds easy or convenient to use, more like something people with a lot of time and nowhere to go (besieged folks) would dig out.
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Which is why I wanted a research action to look into this. If we can figure out the distillation of high-grade alcohol (even if it's too tainted to drink), we can make a viable Alchemist Fire substitute by thickening alcohol with, say, pitch or turpentine. It would be dirt cheap, gobble up the overproduction of food caused by the farming rituals and scales much easier then anything Alchemy.

There's also the question what other metals we can get from the PoE. Powdered Sodium is a nice chaser for a molotov cocktail. Or a spot of Manganese, rust and Aluminum.
 
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Azel said:
Which is why I wanted a research action to look into this. If we can figure out the distillation of high-grade alcohol (even if it's too tainted to drink), we can make a viable Alchemist Fire substitute by thickening alcohol with, say, pitch or turpentine. It would be dirt cheap, gobble up the overproduction of food caused by the farming rituals and scales much easier then anything Alchemy.

There's also the question what other metals we can get from the PoE. Powdered Sodium is a nice chaser for a molotov cocktail. Or a spot of Manganese, rust and Aluminum.
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Go to our local swamp, get the locals to make us moonshine. ;)
 
Azel said:
As @Crake already pointed out, distillation equipment is extremely rare and expensive in pre-modern times.
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Yeah, seriously. The sort of high quality copper tubing you can buy nowadays for well under a dollar per foot would have been extremely difficult to produce with medieval technology. Even attempting it would require a lot of skill and a huge amount of time for what would have probably ended up being a poor, relatively inconsistent product.

Time and technology make all the difference for stuff like this. It's similar to how aluminum was once more valuable than platinum because it was so difficult to extract from ore, but is now in everything.
 
Goldfish said:
Yeah, seriously. The sort of high quality copper tubing you can buy nowadays for well under a dollar per foot would have been extremely difficult to produce with medieval technology. Even attempting it would require a lot of skill and a huge amount of time for what would have probably ended up being a poor, relatively inconsistent product.

Time and technology make all the difference for stuff like this. It's similar to how aluminum was once more valuable than platinum because it was so difficult to extract from ore, but is now in everything.
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Not "difficult". Try "impossible".

Aluminum is pretty common as Bauxite ore, but thermically refining it requires such ludicrous temperatures that only arc furnaces can do it. So this is firmly a modern era technology and even with literal magic at our fingertips, we would need some very heavy duty equipment to copy that approach.

All pre-modern Aluminum came from the extremely rare and tiny deposits of native Aluminum, which needs no refinement at all. Hence why I'm talking about the PoE. If Aluminum is as common there as on Planetos in relation to other metals, and we assume that it's vastly more likely to be found as native Aluminum just like how other metals like Iron are found as extremely pure deposits in the wild, then Aluminum could be an extremely cheap staple metal there already. It would be of limited use for most applications common in a high-medieval, high-magic society that has ample amounts of Mythril and Adamantine to work with, but it might see use as staple food for Xorn. For us though it would be very nice as an ingredient for mundane incendiary devices.
 
Adhoc vote count started by egoo on Oct 31, 2020 at 3:24 PM, finished with 30 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] Plan "Reports Reports Reports Reports!"
    -[X]
    -[X] Pointsmen Recruitment - To alleviate the eagerness of the Pointsmen for a little while longer, send a few people to start some recruitment efforts among them for the Imperial Military. Also distribute the Imperial law code among the nobility so that they can begin preparations to transition the area smoothly into the Imperial bureaucracy.
    ----[X] 1x Heralds; Mors 'Crowfood' Umber; Ser Gerold 'Darkstar' Dayne; Ser Bonifer Hasty
    -[X] Three Points, Three Kindred, One People, Part 3
    ----[X] Blight's Bane; Also any of the following "Free Forces - Aquatic Forces" see A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover)
    -[X] Improving Orange Shore
    ----[X] 4x Verdant Phoenixes, 8x Advanced Druid Creature Lotus Leshy (drawn from the Flesh Forge guard force)
    [X] Argo Level Up
    -[X] Class: +1 Occult Slayer
    -[X] Skills (2 points): +2 Spellcraft
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[X] egoo

Has anyone thought to check if the Iron Throne is magical at all? I honestly can't remember.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Oct 31, 2020 at 4:51 PM, finished with 33 posts and 16 votes.
  • [X] Plan "Reports Reports Reports Reports!"
    -[X]
    -[X] Pointsmen Recruitment - To alleviate the eagerness of the Pointsmen for a little while longer, send a few people to start some recruitment efforts among them for the Imperial Military. Also distribute the Imperial law code among the nobility so that they can begin preparations to transition the area smoothly into the Imperial bureaucracy.
    ----[X] 1x Heralds; Mors 'Crowfood' Umber; Ser Gerold 'Darkstar' Dayne; Ser Bonifer Hasty
    -[X] Three Points, Three Kindred, One People, Part 3
    ----[X] Blight's Bane; Also any of the following "Free Forces - Aquatic Forces" see A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover)
    -[X] Improving Orange Shore
    ----[X] 4x Verdant Phoenixes, 8x Advanced Druid Creature Lotus Leshy (drawn from the Flesh Forge guard force)
    [X] Argo Level Up
    -[X] Class: +1 Occult Slayer
    -[X] Skills (2 points): +2 Spellcraft
Click to expand...
 
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