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- Argentina
Well, that's some quality evil right there.
A pity that beings of the Far Realm don't deal with souls. At least if you go bankrupt some day you can sell another one's soul to one of Azel's colleagues.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Well, that's some quality evil right there.
A pity that beings of the Far Realm don't deal with souls. At least if you go bankrupt some day you can sell another one's soul to one of Azel's colleagues.
CandyCoatedChaos
Evil is just misunderstood
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- You'd never be able to guess, eh?
Its the not just part that makes me worried. People can do some funky stuff if they get just some blood or hair etc. Anything made of that shadow will have "a part of the progenitor, as in part of Viserys soul." That is some bad Juju.
Unless we are locking whatever we are using it for in the most secure vault ever and thereby defeating the point.... It will be much easier for any enemy to grab this creation to hurt us then to actually strike at us and hurt us. Its like purposefully crafting a weakness!
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- Germany
Why would it need to have a high priest? You are just asserting this, but neither the plan nor a faith in general requires one. They don't even require a formal priesthood, let alone some singular pope archetype.
In fact, we are actively working against havin such monolithic faiths with too much power invested in one person, since those are rivals to Viserys absolute power.
CandyCoatedChaos
Evil is just misunderstood
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- You'd never be able to guess, eh?
I found your story inspiring and delightful. Truly the way childhood should go, bartering siblings souls is the best way to deal with siblings. Because the other ways are all illegal. Well unless your one of those namby pambys that wants to shower them in love and such. Hippies!
/Also not Evil
/Really!
/The priest my parents made me see as a child says so! I got a letter and everything.
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- United States
[X] Bind it to flesh and purpose (Use it as the soul of a flesh-forged creation, starts at lvl 5, can be raised up to lvl 9 by paying twice Lya's incarnate upgrade price)
-[X] The Doppelganger (An incarnate who can serve as a stand in at court or other instances)
-[X] The Doppelganger (An incarnate who can serve as a stand in at court or other instances)
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- United States
We are our own high priest. We don't need anyone interpreting our will, we just tell our clerics what we expect out of them. We have mass media and we're not afraid to use it.
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- Somewhere else
[X] Bind it to flesh and purpose (Use it as the soul of a flesh-forged creation, starts at lvl 5, can be raised up to lvl 9 by paying twice Lya's incarnate upgrade price)
-[X] The Doppelganger (An incarnate who can serve as a stand in at court or other instances)
-[X] The Doppelganger (An incarnate who can serve as a stand in at court or other instances)
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- Germany
The way I see it, there are two options for a cult in this world.
Either it has a formal hierarchy, or not.
If the latter is the case, then essentially the person with the highest obvious favor and power from the object of faith has unopposed influence, even if that person does not actually take any formal control.
See Mel, to whom every other Red Priest she met on screen automatically defers, despite her having no rank (not even being an official priestress by our current system where one has to belong to a temple).
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- Germany
And the highest, and only, here authority is supposed to be Viserys. That is why we put all this effort into figuring out how to make a fake-deity he can control.
I had to argue a whole lot to assuage all the fears and the paranoia to even get this project started and now getting some kind of high priest rammed into the whole project for no reason except shiny is extremely off-putting.
CandyCoatedChaos
Evil is just misunderstood
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- You'd never be able to guess, eh?
People, do you not watch soap operas!? Nothing good ever comes from the twin of the dishy male lead! One can argue this is not exactly a twin... Same idea though, because part of the soul.
No soul twin in charge of the cult/religion/whateverprayingtoViserysthang!
No soul twin in charge of the cult/religion/whateverprayingtoViserysthang!
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Well yes, Viserys is the true authority.
He can propably even strip people of their ability to cast spells in his name, if not inherently by not granting them, then at least by casting Anathema from an unquestionably higher position.
A high-priest made from a bit of Viserys soul still seems like a decent way to bring organisation into the whole thing, with very little worries about him usurping us anytime soon.
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What bloody organisation? What damn cult even!?
The plan is to create a pseudo-deity that is empowered by believe in and the workings of the Imperial government!
There is not supposed to be any priesthood for Emperor's sake!
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- Germany
There will be people VIserys grants spells to. Clerics and Acolytes, or in short, priests.
What should I call them if not priests?
Or did we just get that mystic ability for fun and never intended to use it?
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We are not a god and don't want to found a religion!
Granting magical powers is an entirely different thing.
Or what is the church that Malarys the concept cleric of law belongs to?
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- Germany
Differnce is that Malarys' spells come either from himself or an abstract force we could call Law.
Ours will come from us.
And even so, Malarys' acolytes are still Clerics, even if of no active power.
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- Virginia
[X] Bind it to flesh and purpose (Use it as the soul of a flesh-forged creation, starts at lvl 5, can be raised up to level 9 by paying twice Lya's incarnate upgrade price)
-[X] The High Priest (Cleric who can call upon Imperial symbols for power; helpful for structuring and strenghtening the faith from the start)
-[X] The High Priest (Cleric who can call upon Imperial symbols for power; helpful for structuring and strenghtening the faith from the start)
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- Germany
@Azel
Okay, before I keep arguing and this goes nowhere, what exactly is your vision for the whole Viserys-empowered Clerics?
Both in organisation and in what the connection to the Imperial Battery/Deity is supposed to be. After all the latter is not technically needed for use to grant spells.
Okay, before I keep arguing and this goes nowhere, what exactly is your vision for the whole Viserys-empowered Clerics?
Both in organisation and in what the connection to the Imperial Battery/Deity is supposed to be. After all the latter is not technically needed for use to grant spells.
CandyCoatedChaos
Evil is just misunderstood
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- You'd never be able to guess, eh?
You are voting to create something with part of OUR soul, that is way less kickass then us and therefore way easier snatched. Think of what someone could actually do with part of our soul.
This is a crazy gamble for something we don't even need, nor do we even have that religion/cult started yet.
This is a crazy gamble for something we don't even need, nor do we even have that religion/cult started yet.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
If it is of any worth, I am quite vehemently against making this "head priest"-thing.
I just don't have the time to argue at the moment, but at the barest, allow me to assure everyone it'll end up the same way the Tiamat clerics at the Wall had.
It'd seem a big character moment, and then we'll quietly change everything about it a few months later when it becomes apparent just how useless/bad of an idea that was.
Our Imperial Deity doesn't need a cult. Half of the whole Empire's daily life is gonna power it, not the usual "belief".
Viserys himself really doesn't need organized religion around him. Lest we risk either angerign other gods, or going God ourselves.
I just don't have the time to argue at the moment, but at the barest, allow me to assure everyone it'll end up the same way the Tiamat clerics at the Wall had.
It'd seem a big character moment, and then we'll quietly change everything about it a few months later when it becomes apparent just how useless/bad of an idea that was.
Our Imperial Deity doesn't need a cult. Half of the whole Empire's daily life is gonna power it, not the usual "belief".
Viserys himself really doesn't need organized religion around him. Lest we risk either angerign other gods, or going God ourselves.
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- Germany
- create a big barrel of energy that is fueled by the belief into the Imperium and the acts of it's institutions
- the barrel is controlled by Viserys directly and by nobody else
- use that big barrel of energy to goad the deities we have good relations with into forming a pantheon, with Viserys as the de-facto head by virtue of being both the unifiying force and the one controlling the barrel of sweet stuff
- as for clerics: "I, the Imperator, Archmage, Dragon and all the other jazz, hereby grant you the power to cast magic in my name."
-- no religion
-- no faith
-- no cults
-- just the big boss awarding you the power to act on his behalf, just by handing out magic instead of just a nice badge and a title
The whole point of the entire thing is to not form a religion, to not become a god and to not create a power structure that is disjunct from the Imperium itself.
All of these goals would be grossly violated by suddenly creating some head-priest-thingy out of nowhere.
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CandyCoatedChaos
Evil is just misunderstood
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- You'd never be able to guess, eh?
That is way better then the cult/religion, now I am even more against this partly souled head priest out of nowhere business.
Evertything about this sounds absolutely awesome.
Edit: Although wanting a cult or religion or not.... That whole you get all your jizz from me ain't I awesome is tots going to create a cult whether we want it or not. Still don't want no part souled monstrosity involved tho.
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[X] Consume it at once (+5000 XP)
Till then, no priests are okay I guess.
I'm not fully convinced something can draw power from prayer if it's not really prayer, but I guess we'll have to research and see on that.
Till then, no priests are okay I guess.