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I'll have you know that steak is too expensive. Cowboy hats taste like leather and sheepskin!
I'll have you know that steak is too expensive. Cowboy hats taste like leather and sheepskin!
Yeah... it legal to take animals and just start torturing them. That's kind of very illegal. And highly immoral. At least in my country, and I'd assume any sufficiently developed country. It's highly creepy to be thinking it's fine to experiment on animals in this manner, just because they're animals.If this were a story set in the modern world, I would say indeed, begone creepy guy. I wouldn't kill him, because torturing animals is perfectly legal
Yeah... it legal to take animals and just start torturing them. That's kind of very illegal. And highly immoral. At least in my country, and I'd assume any sufficiently developed country. It's highly creepy to be thinking it's fine to experiment on animals in this manner, just because they're animals.
You argument that about creatures being raised to behave in a certain manner isn't fully thought out. While nurture does play a part in development, nature also has a fundamental impact. You can't make the argument that everything about how a creature behaves is based on nurture and totally disregard nature. An argument in that nature is the only determining factor would be wrong too.
This argument is also totally irreverent as to whether KZ should fight or not. If it wants to experiment on KZ in a similar manner to what it's doing to the goat, I couldn't care if it's due to nature of nurture. Kill it. This isn't a matter of cultural differences as you tried presenting it as.
As Ehbon pointed out your logic is inconsistent. You can't say that we must treat it as an equal, then in the same breath say we must make excuses for it due to its alien nature. There must be some consistency, and seeing as we're applying our human logic and morals to KZ's behaviour then it'll be our human morals being applied to his actions.
While it may be interesting to discuss the objective observations of an alien and it's morals, legitimately attempting to fabricate and apply twisted logic to justify the kukuni's behaviour isn't so much.
Historically, the human right to life has been shit on quite thoroughly and at length, so I don't get why you're going on about this being modern logic.It is an intelligent creature with an equal claim to the right of life as a human.
Historically, the human right to life has been shit on quite thoroughly and at length, so I don't get why you're going on about this being modern logic.
Beyond which, I don't see why condemnation of it's actions has to happen in a moral context at all.
Right, but there don't have to be deep implications about our actions.I am trying to establish a moral framework that is consistent with what we see in the story.
So that we can understand what exactly we are doing.
I'm not outraged that we're trying to kill the kukuni, I just want people to understand what it actually means and to not ignore the implications.
It can simply be reactive, especially in light of the above and in a setting with a well established understanding of the need for violence, what with the murderous spirit ghosts we leave behind when we die.Before you is a Blood-aspected Kukuni- and it wants you to join the wildlife at its feet.
Animal testing is one thing. Animal torture is another. You specifically mentioned animal torture and that you viewed that as legal. Animal torture is not legal or acceptable.Animal testing is a thing.
I'm not saying it's fine.
I'm saying it's acceptable.
I said that that the kukuni is neurodivergent. Nurture has absolutely no part of my argument. I am say that it is inhuman, but equal to a human. My argument is, indeed, entirely focused on nature. I think you confused my refutation that culture plays a part in my moral view as me saying that culture supports my moral view.
I'm also not arguing whether or not it should be allowed to experiment on Kong Zhi. I'm saying that it's actions do not devalue it's right to life, and that killing it is a spurious decision based on an assumption that the kukuni cannot be reasoned with, when there is a better solution available.
I do not like to repeat myself, but I will in this case. To my understanding, we do not have bodiless creatures of great intelligence and heightened emotions floating around on our planet. Which requires me to come up with a new moral framework.
It is an intelligent creature with an equal claim to the right of life as a human. It is inhuman, but that does not make it evil, worthy of punishment.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with what it is doing. There are no excuses being made. The kukuni is a magic creature experimenting with its abilities on acceptable targets. If the kukuni was a human, existing in the same context as it does now, I would not be affronted, because it is simply a wizard doing wizard things.
I am being consistent.
You are not applying human logic and morals to Kong Zhi.
You are applying modern logic and morals to him.
Modern logic that does not, and has never applied.