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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Yes, you do.
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[X] Duesal
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Why not go further and spin this as the rebuilding of Sarnor's legacy? Their true legacy, not the mockery that this used to be.
We can help rebuild Kasath, to populate it again. And we can get them new metal bodies if they so desire, but will also be open to them choosing to stay undead, as we are doing research into the sanity of it, or with the help of pur death gods they can choose safe passage to an afterlife
We can help rebuild Kasath, to populate it again. And we can get them new metal bodies if they so desire, but will also be open to them choosing to stay undead, as we are doing research into the sanity of it, or with the help of pur death gods they can choose safe passage to an afterlife
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Goldfish
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[X] Duesal
@Duesal, we should only offer to develop and implement the ritual to resurrect the Queen. We can provide her with the research notes if she or her experts wish to further develop rituals for her VIPs, but I would rather not commit ourselves to developing individualized rituals for each of them. I'm assuming individual rituals would be required. If this isn't the case, I withdraw my objection.
@Duesal, we should only offer to develop and implement the ritual to resurrect the Queen. We can provide her with the research notes if she or her experts wish to further develop rituals for her VIPs, but I would rather not commit ourselves to developing individualized rituals for each of them. I'm assuming individual rituals would be required. If this isn't the case, I withdraw my objection.
Goldfish
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That research deals with stabilizing the sanity of Undead we create ourselves, IIRC, not those we take in from the wild.
I'm against leaving any of them as Undead. Even the sane and cooperative ones were raised as part of a vengeance cycle that hasn't really come to a good conclusion for them. Transfering them to Warforged bodies wipes a lot of the metaphysical slate clean and dramatically reduces the danger of them being subverted by our enemies or other malign forces.
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I thought that if we develop a ritual at all it would be standardized. If it's only a personal ritual then yes, it should only be offered to the queen.
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There is a problem with that:
What if they want to remain undead? Namaaru was not ressurected in a cycle for vengeance. And those who resurrected her wanted more.
What are we going to do? Mass execution of war prisoners because they don't want to follow our means?
If we can stabilize newly created sentient undead we might be able to pull the same with normal undead, right? @DragonParadox
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There is a problem with that:
We can clearly see that undead are Void Bait. We also know that their very presence taints the land with negative energy. At least ours are both mindless and have their negative energy sealed away inside them.
Also I highly doubt there are many that prefer being undead. It's not a fun time. None of the comforts of life. Also with warforged being functionally immortal you basically get all of the benefits of undeath without the downsides.
We're not going to go around purging our allies, but we're also not going to support them staying undead.
Goldfish
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The vast majority, something like 99.9% of them were raised in that manner. Those who weren't are a vanishingly small minority. Even if they werent, Undeath is almost always a fundamentally inferior existence if you have any sort of reasonable alternative, with a few exceptions which don't really seem to apply in this case.
I question the sanity of any Sarnori Undead who wish to remain in that state, and if their sanity is in doubt, their nature makes them too dangerous to leave free.
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[X] Tomcost
I support giving them freedom to choose, even though I hope the majority will take Warforged bodies.
If enough do, we can propably reduce the critical mass of negative energy here far enough that no more random Dothraki animate to take vengance in turn.
Edit: For Namaaru herself, I could live with either option between undeath, life and a metal body, story-wise. But mechanically she really profits from being a mummy, as a massive boost to her strenght and charisma, as well as basing her HP on CHA-bonus, is important for her build.
If she gets Warforged, I will try to template up some pimped-out Starmetal or Adamant body as a costum creation made for her and paid by her.
I support giving them freedom to choose, even though I hope the majority will take Warforged bodies.
If enough do, we can propably reduce the critical mass of negative energy here far enough that no more random Dothraki animate to take vengance in turn.
Edit: For Namaaru herself, I could live with either option between undeath, life and a metal body, story-wise. But mechanically she really profits from being a mummy, as a massive boost to her strenght and charisma, as well as basing her HP on CHA-bonus, is important for her build.
If she gets Warforged, I will try to template up some pimped-out Starmetal or Adamant body as a costum creation made for her and paid by her.
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I know of the problems
Yet also it is their free will too. And everybody can be baited by one of the many dark powers. That's why we have the Inquisition.
What are we going to do if they say that they want to join us, but don't like the idea of a metal body.
Too bad, you have to die?
Gentlemen, I think that most will prefer something better than undeath, but we had undead minions and allies before, and we should definitely not jump to execution if they, for some reason, refuse the warforgening.
Remember that we judge based on commited crimes, many were simply coerced into fighting.
If there are a few hundred who choose to stay as undead so be it. Either they will find their doom or somehow manage to exist perfectly fine, with whatever precautions we devise for them
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We're... we're not suggesting execution if they want to stay undead. Those are Queen Namaaru's subjects, not ours. She gets to execute who she chooses. We're just not encouraging them to stay undead.
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Then it is a very real option we should consider about. We might end up with undead imperial citizens after this then, and we should act accordingly.
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If there are any addled enough to stay undead who end up wanting to join us then they're getting encased in lead to prevent negative energy leakage.
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See, this is what I wanted to hear. An actual solution to the possible outcome of someone deciding to remain undead for whatever reason. It could be lead or it could be something related to our research, but we are doing something about it.
Can you simply add it to the vote? Right now it leaves a blank for those who don't accept warforgenization.
Also maybe something about eventually rebuilding Sarnori cities back?
[X] Duesal
This looks like a lot less corpses than I expected for an army that was described as a little smaller than a 200k undead army. Did a huge number of bodies get destroyed?
If they're actually cursed, don't spend too much time on them, as they will just be sacrifice fodder.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Agreed, this seem to only be a third, of the army described earlier, was most of them ghosts or otherwise non-corporeal?
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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There were a lot of effects being thrown around which would have completely obliterated Undead when their HP was depleted, especially the Sunbursts and SotDS. The stuff that remains were probably destroyed by bombs, less destructive magic, and regular attacks from the Legions and the Queen's forces.
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[X] Duesal
Pretty much, especially when it comes to petty undead which are quite fragile, but also some of the ruin beasts you SoD-ed with extrem prejudice.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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@DragonParadox
We captured a few of the chained priests, and Zathir talked at least one away from his god, did those all die too?
We captured a few of the chained priests, and Zathir talked at least one away from his god, did those all die too?
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Didn't DP say that all of them ended up choosing true death rather than apostacy?
The cloud dragged those away
The one Zathir talked down passed on, the others never returned from the maze spell
Those were the priests among the Kasathi, you don't have any prisoners from among their mage priests.