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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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AbeoLogos said:
So. Taking a second look at the enemy numbers, and yeesh. They are a tough lot. Ok, so let's look at this:

Our on-scene forces consist of 1 Cyan, 28 Greens, and spirit partners. The enemy's on-scene forces consist of 1 Cyan, 26 Greens, 100+ Yellows, and 1 spirit partner for almost all of those. Of the enemy Greens, only 6 are below G3; in our total forces, only 7 are not below G3, but an unknown number went with the perimeter group, so they aren't all with us.
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Minor nitpick, but 8 of the enemy Greens are below G3, the 2 other Shishigui are only G2. Aside from that I agree with your general summation that we didn't bring anywhere near enough muscle for this mission, but I disagree with your conclusion. I think we've got a good chance of doing some of the following if we attack the Shishigui:
-Exacerbating their confusion by dropping a literal fog of war and giant war turtle on top of them right after they get nuked.
-Finishing off the G2 Shishigui if they're injured enough.
-Distracting the G7 for a few more precious seconds to prevent them from taking the Rock and booking it.
-Setting ourselves up to drown out the enemy bard and have initiative in the probably inevitable music duel, no need to play fair and let him get his act together. (I'm not sorry)
-The 4 dismounted G3 Barbs there are the only fliers here that we have any hope of grounding for/with Zhengui, everyone else is either too strong or already in the air.

This is the only group we really have a chance of doing this much of anything to, a Cyan could sneeze our techniques away, and White Sky don't have any (relative) mooks to confuse. It would be nice to cull the Yellows, but they're more spread out, it contributes less to preventing the Rock from leaving, and that option involves less teamwork with CRX and Zhengui.

And again I really doubt we can park ourselves next to a radioactive space rock and not take at least some penalty to our techniques.
 
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Neshuakadal said:
Future Days: A Meeting
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Lovely. A nice glimpse on the possible end point of Ling Qi's Domain.

Was that shadow guard who leered at Lijuan Sixiang?
Neshuakadal said:
One of the guards glanced her way and she shivered. A tingle, like when her father was drunk and looking. Then it was gone.
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This one. Because if that wasnt Sixiang (and there really no indicator that it is), then how the heck could that guard have been chosen?
 
[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard

I dislike the steal option. It puts too much heat on Ling Qi, as two factions would want to prevent the theft, both the Shishigui and the Twelve Stars, and LQ would have to try and hold out until the Imperial Forces can properly get stuck in, particularly when they need to push through the yellow/green guard. Even if she pulls it off, she'll be greatly weakened and will have much more limited options for the fight.

Attacking the Shishigui seems the more reasonable play to me, because it splits the Twelve Stars's objectives more. They need to defend from Guan Zhi. They need to pull in their yellows and decide if they want to stand and fight or fallback. They want to move to secure the starstone.

I'd rather not risk primary objectives for secondary objectives, when the success of the Imperial Attack is in doubt (which is is from the array of forces here, it is). Attacking the Shishigui, who currently control the starstone, and then looking for an opportunity to nab it as they go down, or in the resulting breakout attempt the 12 Stars will go for if we're winning the battle and they grabbed it instead seems much better to me. If we're losing the battle, completing optional secondary objectives is obviously out of the cards.

And in the case where we went with the theft plan, secured the starstone but the imperials basically fail in their primary objectives and suffer significant losses, that's super easy to see as Ling Qi pursing personal glory while the "real" imperials fought bravely without her full support. a.k.a. While brave imperials fought and died, she was playing thief.

tl;dr I feel this plan prioritizes the primary objective over the secondary objective of the starstone, and that's how I think it should be.
 
thamuzz said:
Wait, did I miss something? What ressable units are on the board?
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This presumably refers to how the shishigui can make powerful constructs emerge from the bodies of their slain. One tangled with CRX during Month 7, which resulted in Liming puppeting her.
yrsillar said:
"However, the enemy we faced made heavy use of sacrificial techniques. The entity that emerged from their dead was beyond me," Cai Renxiang admitted bluntly and without shame. "It was only Mother's grace which allowed us victory." Boiling black flesh and eyes beyond counting, grasping, hungry mouths gnawing at her limbs. She remembered the traces of shen, beyond the potency of any third realm technique, punching through her defenses. Most of all, she remembered the second time in her life that Liming had truly awoken, the furious spiritual scream wiping her thoughts blank as she lost control of her limbs.
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TimEd said:
Lovely. A nice glimpse on the possible end point of Ling Qi's Domain.

Was that shadow guard who leered at Lijuan Sixiang?

This one. Because if that wasnt Sixiang (and there really no indicator that it is), then how the heck could that guard have been chosen?
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The idea was to show that Lijuan could sense when people are studying her. I didn't intend for the guard to come off as leering at her, but I did want to show that Lijuan didn't have a good home life.
 
picklepikkl said:
This presumably refers to how the shishigui can make powerful constructs emerge from the bodies of their slain. One tangled with CRX during Month 7, which resulted in Liming puppeting her.
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Vanguard_D said:
Remember when we went on a trip with Suyin into the underground and one of the shishigui threw something into the pile of dead that became some type of black expanding mass of murder. That also levled up in realms really fast? Those things.
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Ah, the shoggoth thing. My brain didn't parse that as a rezz, more of a spawn-on-death ability. You don't get the original unit back at the end of the fight after all.
 
picklepikkl said:
This presumably refers to how the shishigui can make powerful constructs emerge from the bodies of their slain. One tangled with CRX during Month 7, which resulted in Liming puppeting her.
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Vanguard_D said:
Remember when we went on a trip with Suyin into the underground and one of the shishigui threw something into the pile of dead that became some type of black expanding mass of murder. That also levled up in realms really fast? Those things.
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On our trip with Li Suyin they needed a whole lot more than 3 bodies, and a living Shishigui still needed to do something to catalyze the reaction. There's a lot of way things can go wrong here, but a giant suicide shoggoth doesn't seem likely. I guess we might get a very small shoggoth? I guess they could try using Cloud Tribe corpses, but if they desecrate Cloud Tribe bodies like that they've probably sunk their alliance far more effectively than anything we could ever do.
 
I don't want to deliberately blow up Zhengui that's a terrible idea unless everything else has gone to hell in a hand basket, this is opening the way the fight goes and leaning into our synergy with CRX would be absolute hell on anyone we catch in our respective arts and domain.
Edit- also we might damage the stone with Zhengui blowing up
 
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RebelYell said:
I don't want to deliberately blow up Zhengui that's a terrible idea unless everything else has gone to hell in a hand basket, this is opening the way the fight goes and leaning into our synergy with CRX would be absolute hell on anyone we catch in our respective arts and domain.
Edit- also we might damage the stone with Zhengui blowing up
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Who's talking about blowing up Zhengui? And treating the 10 meter boulder made of 5th realm+ material like its made of glass would be kind of silly even if we were.
 
So I'm looking at the numbers and strength of the enemy, and the strength of our allies, and this is going to be a really hard fight. The enemy has a higher cultivation level on us. We can still win due to the element of surprise, but we need to be focused on just the enemy. Ultimately, if we try and center ourselves on stealing the rock, we kinda do a lot to try and take and hold a rock, rather than kill our enemies.

The rock is a secondary objective at best. What we need to do is kill as much of the shishigui/nomads before they arrive so that our comrades can better fight against the enemy. Their will be a cost if we try and take the stone and its not likely to be us. Instead it will likely be in our comrades lives. We need to do the best thing possible here, not the most glory filled option of stealing a rock.

[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
 
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[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone

Swap back before I forget
 
Faceless said:
If guan zhi go for the star Stone the cyan barbarian will focus on her Right ?
Two options with one piece
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This vote has two parts, picking artillery targets for our bosses, and then our own personal target. I know I just said treating the rock like it's fragile is dumb, but calling in a Cyan grade artillery strike on it is a bit much. I suppose turning it into a giant anti-reality frag grenade might actually do the most damage to the enemy, but if it works I don't want to be anywhere near there.
 
yrsillar said:
The pavilion where the meeting was to take face was filled with Third realms. There were around two score Inner Sect disciples here. Most, Ling Qi judged, were from the lower ranks, with cultivation in the first or second stage of the Green realm and Bronze physique. Ling Qi nodded politely to a few, who she recognized from Wang Chao's training camp, but remained at Cai Renxiang's side as they filed in.

Leaving aside herself and her liege, there were only three other disciples above at or above the Foundation stage, in addition to Liao Zhu and Ruan Shen.
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So I guess I have one last shot at convincing all of you.

We can see exactly how strong our allies are. Most of our comrades are first or second stage. However, enemies are mostly 3rd stage or above. We are actually one of the people with the highest cultvation levels among the attackers right now, but we are fairly in the middle compared to where are our enemies are right now.

We cant afford to be playing games and seeking glory right now. We can try to steal the stone later, but right now, the time is to kill/damage the enemy as much as possible. Anything we do otherwise is going to hinder the fight and likely to lead to more casualties on our side. The stone is currently a secondary objective, not a primary one.

[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
 
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Isn't the enemy Cyan trying to run off with a giant rock one of our win conditions? I mean, if he's doing that, then great! We suddenly have the advantage in the conflict; we might not be able to capture specifically him, but we can nab most everyone else if we want with an unopposed Cyan. Right?

[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
 
GlassMask said:
So I guess I have one last shot at convincing all of you.

We can see exactly how strong our allies are. Most of our comrades are first or second stage. However, enemies are mostly 3rd stage or above. We are actually one of the people with the highest cultvation levels among the attackers right now, but we are fairly in the middle compared to where are our enemies are right now.

We cant afford to be playing games and seeking glory right now. We can try to steal the stone later, but right now, the time is to kill/damage the enemy as much as possible. Anything we do otherwise is going to hinder the fight and likely to lead to more casualties on our side. The stone is currently a secondary objective, not a primary one.

[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
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LQ's build isn't really set up for killing enemies quickly though, she's a battlefield control cultivator. She does enough damage and her debuffs are nasty enough that leaving her alone isn't an option, and she's really, really good at surviving the enemy attention this brings. But she's not as good at these things as a dedicated debuff or damage specialist would be, and her win state is when enemies focus on attacking her instead of the actual debuffers and DPS. She's really more of a Distraction Tank, honestly.

Now, the Sect forces do have fewer high level Greens here, which is bad. High level Greens are also more likely to be able to ignore LQs debuffs and damage so they can focus on attacking our allies or helping our enemies escape. Unless LQ does something cheeky, like securing the rock and forcing them to focus on her.

The downsides of this plan are a) most or all of the high level Greens are focusing solely on LQ until her allies arrive in 1-2 minutes, and b) LQ is in close proximity to the reality-warping rock. The fact that yrs gave us this option at all means that LQ thinks she can deal with these problems, and she does have War C which means she's got a workpersonlike competence at tactical planning like this, so she's reasonably reliable here. It is a riskier plan, but I feel it has a much better chance of securing the secondary objective, and that there's a reasonable chance of success.

There's also the possibility that she nabs the stone with PLR or UGM and runs, which would pull a bunch of high level enemies away from their allies. Even better, honestly.
 
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