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So I doubt this will work, but here is my last minute plea. We can't let ourselves be distracted by the starstone and forget what is our most important duty here, winning. We are outgunned right now, and the best way to make this battle more even is to damage the other side enough that we will tip the scale to our side. This is what the artillery is supposed to do, but lets not kid ourselves, its unlikely to do this all the way perfectly. We need to do as much damage to the other side as we can, not steal a stone which is only a secondary target. We probably wont be able to kill too many of the shishigui, but we can tie them, damage them, set stuff up, etc etc which will make our allies jobs easier



[] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
 
Huo Yuhao said:
I'm not sure what you're talking about here? Currently, Ling Qi's in stealth and, unless I'm misunderstanding something, there's no reason for her to leave stealth until the opening strike. By allies, are you referring to CRX and Guan Zhi or the allies that will arrive after them? Either way, in no scenario is Ling QI facing most or all of the high level Greens alone for any period of time. If we do, we're screwed.
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I mean that people are going to notice her the second she either grabs the rock or sets up a hard point on it, and that this attention is in fact a benefit of the plan. The fact that we have this option means that LQ thinks she can deal with this attention somehow, and with War C she's probably right about that. I have no idea why she thinks this, but that's the way yrs gives us choices in these types of situations. No trap options and all that.
 
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Regardless of what we choose, Ling Qi is going to be the only sect disciple in the caldera for at least a dozen seconds or so. That's going to attract attention from the many peer or near-peer enemies that are everywhere down here. To an extent, I'm a bit skeptical anything Ling Qi does will bring more or less attention or threat to her. It is a VERY dangerous situation no matter what.

But what I don't want to do is dictate the targets our allies choose by committing ourselves to this or that group. They know their abilities better than we do, and Ling Qi is good at supporting the efforts of others. Her picking a target to commit to first is putting the cart before the horse. Cai Renxiang in particular should be choosing an opponent, and then we should be going to back up her decision as we are able. That's our actual job here. All we're doing is buying a few seconds so others can arrive and start wailing on the enemy.

The thing to remember is that because the situation is so dangerous, that Ling Qi is so exposed no matter what we choose, the time we have to act here has to be very small. Otherwise Ling Qi gets flattened, again, no matter what we do. With that little time, we're not going to be able to actually... do anything? To any target. Playing defensively is and always has been our strength; going on the attack against the shishigui isn't likely to accomplish anything in the time we have to act, commits our allies to choices that may not be optimal, and cedes the initiative vis-a-vis the starstone to the enemies.
 
Shishigui are the only group with "weaker" greens (read g2s, g3s) that Ling Qi can actually hurt and potentially kill in the aftermath of CRX's artillery strike. What Ling Qi should be doing is following up on CRX's attack, like she did vs the Bai, before reorienting to whatever CRX decides to do next.

(This is why the best plan is attacking the shishigui as Ling Qi's first immediate action. Going for the stone wastes the opening that CRX makes with her strike.)
 
Zithinoth said:
There's also the possibility that she nabs the stone with PLR or UGM and runs, which would pull a bunch of high level enemies away from their allies. Even better, honestly.
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How have you missed the part where the Rock disrupts Qi? Stealing this with any kind of technique is probably impossible for us. I would rather start dropping our field effects on the enemy than some stupid long shot like this. And even if we can move the Rock we're not beating a bunch of higher realm opponents in a race and we're definitely not managing it while carrying a boulder.
 
Guys if we go straight for the stone instead of backing up our comrades, we're going to look like a gloryhog and probs selfish too. We can say that taking the stone would be a huge blow to the barn alliance and that might be true. However, since our side is vastly outnumbered I'd expect a lot losses. A lot of the G1's and G2s will either die or be severely injured. If we get recognition and SP for nabbing the stone even though (in their eyes) we left them on their own, our reputation will suffer a lot . We should be putting the primary objective first and the secondary objective second. I know some people want to go for the shiny and return to LQs roots, others prob don't want to care about the opinions of our peers to the point that it influences our choices but... Our rep reflects on CRX. It's really important, as her left hand, to have a good image. It's super important for our future, for our family's future. Seeming like a gloryhound while most of others die may stain our rep in a huge way.
Edit: also yrs said there will b multiple updates during this battle. We can always focus on the stone next update instead, thus keeping the secondary objective secondary.
 
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Lena27 said:
Guys if we go straight for the stone instead of backing up our comrades, we're going to look like a gloryhog and probs selfish too. We can say that taking the stone would be a huge blow to the barn alliance and that might be true. However, since our side is vastly outnumbered I'd expect a lot losses. A lot of the G1's and G2s will either die or be severely injured. If we get recognition and SP for nabbing the stone even though (in their eyes) we left them on their own, our reputation will suffer a lot . We should be putting the primary objective first and the secondary objective second. I know some people want to go for the shiny and return to LQs roots, others prob don't want to care about the opinions of our peers to the point that it influences our choices but... Our rep reflects on CRX. It's really important, as her left hand, to have a good image. It's super important for our future, for our family's future. Seeming like a gloryhound while most of others die may stain our rep in a huge way.
Edit: also yrs said there will b multiple updates during this battle. We can always focus on the stone next update instead, thus keeping the secondary objective secondary.
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Our comrades aren't actually here yet though. I'm 100% on board with backing up our allies; it should be our primary focus in this engagement. I expect to shift our focus in that direction immediately upon our allies actually being available to support. This vote is just what to do in the immediate aftermath of allied artillery, before they've actually joined the lines of battle.
 
Lena27 said:
Guys if we go straight for the stone instead of backing up our comrades, we're going to look like a gloryhog and probs selfish too. We can say that taking the stone would be a huge blow to the barn alliance and that might be true. However, since our side is vastly outnumbered I'd expect a lot losses. A lot of the G1's and G2s will either die or be severely injured. If we get recognition and SP for nabbing the stone even though (in their eyes) we left them on their own, our reputation will suffer a lot . We should be putting the primary objective first and the secondary objective second. I know some people want to go for the shiny and return to LQs roots, others prob don't want to care about the opinions of our peers to the point that it influences our choices but... Our rep reflects on CRX. It's really important, as her left hand, to have a good image. It's super important for our future, for our family's future. Seeming like a gloryhound while most of others die may stain our rep in a huge way.
Edit: also yrs said there will b multiple updates during this battle. We can always focus on the stone next update instead, thus keeping the secondary objective secondary.
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You seem to be misunderstanding LQs role in a fight. She's not really a damage dealer or a debuffer, she's a tank. She wants people to be targeting her so that they're not targeting her less durable allies. She's good enough at damage and debuff stuff that enemies can't ignore her, but she's not as good as an actual damage or debuff specialist. And you know, grabbing the rare, valuable, Indigo+ rock that everyone is drooling over is a great way to grab all the enemy attention. Which will accomplish her primary objective.

The risk of securing the stone isn't that LQ isn't doing her job, it's that she might do her job too well. That she bites off more than she can chew, and gets her shit kicked in to the point that she can't really contribute effectively to the rest of the battle. With War C I don't think that she's misjudged the situation that badly, but it's a possibility.
 
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Candesce said:
The rare, valuable, Indigo+ rock that interferes with her defensive Arts.

There's two parts to tanking; grabbing all the aggro, and surviving it.
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The thing interferes with everyone's Qi, and that includes the offensive arts of the Cloud Tribe Nomads. And also everything in the world around it, including the ground. I expect that the disruption effect will be a wash, as far as that goes. The Cyan is probably an exception to this, but LQ's already screwed if he targets her anyway, so it's not really worth special consideration.
 
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Zithinoth said:
You seem to be misunderstanding LQs role in a fight. She's not really a damage dealer or a debuffer, she's a tank. She wants people to be targeting her so that they're not targeting her less durable allies. She's good enough at damage and debuff stuff that enemies can't ignore her, but she's not as good as an actual damage or debuff specialist. And you know, grabbing the rare, valuable, Indigo+ rock that everyone is drooling over is a great way to grab all the enemy attention. Which will accomplish her primary objective.

The risk of securing the stone isn't that LQ isn't doing her job, it's that she might do her job too well. That she bites off more than she can chew, and gets her shit kicked in to the point that she can't really contribute effectively to the rest of the battle. With War C I don't think that she's misjudged the situation that badly, but it's a possibility.
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If the 28 Greens on our side split into at least roughly 2 groups, one backing up CRX (which is what people seem to be expecting) and the other addressing the survivors of Guan Zhi's strike (minus Cyan dude), the 100+ yellows and the 6 Greens that lead them...well if I've calculated that correctly (tell me if I'm wrong) then the other group that is not with us is gonna need help. If backup comes to them from the perimeter group bc the higherups were able to readjust the battle plan to the circumstances, they should be fine. If no backup comes, those ~14 Greens, all G1 or G2 iicr, are gonna be severely outnumbered and overwhelmed. The barbs are quite used to battle, they'll be able to adjust to the surprise attack fairly quickly. They come from a warrior culture and know how to work as a cohesive military unit. Compared to them, our Sect brothers and sisters...don't. They all have unique abilities and the whole force is comprised of volunteers, not people who specifically have trained and fought together before. Never underestimate a well-disciplined enemy unit--even if most of them are Yellows, that many buffed by their Green leaders will be able to at least some considerable damage to G1s and G2s.
Now about your response. The situation with the huge mass of yellows and their Green leaders is something LQ has beaten before and can beat again. She can take out the buffers like she has at the village and when battling the Brute underground with JR. She can also make the whole group less cohesive, prevent them from getting organized, drain their qi and kill or at least injure a large number of them. She's shined in this scenario before. The word around the Sect is that LQ is an extremely powerful combatant, they've probably all heard about what a great military asset she's been so far.
Now I'm not saying that we should be at the rim, handling the Yellows and Green barbs. (It'd be pointless anyway, that vote isn't gonna win.) My point is that if LQ is seen backing up CRX with the Shishigui, no one is gonna argue w that. However, if people see her trying to nab and abscond w the stone, when they all know she could totally help out as a combatant, thats gonna look...bad. Logically, they all should know that grabbing the stone is helpful but when people get whipped in battle and their comrades die...they may look to place blame.

Edit: Whelp, no point in this long post now...my point still stands, I think. :p
 
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There is no circumstance where Ling Qi just runs off with the starstone. It wouldn't even make sense, since we do not have a ready base of operations with staff to stash it at safely. If Ling Qi manages to move it, it's going to be to up against the caldera wall or something. A moderately more defensible position than it currently occupies, and harder to airlift out from just any angle. That's it. The worry about Ling Qi ditching the fight with the stone is silly, even ignoring that she probably can't, because there's literally nowhere for her to ditch to.

Again, this is what we're doing right after the allied bombardment. Our allies aren't actually on the field yet. We can react to circumstances again when our allies are on the field.
 
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Lena27 said:
If the 28 Greens on our side split into at least roughly 2 groups, one backing up CRX (which is what people seem to be expecting) and the other addressing the survivors of Guan Zhi's strike (minus Cyan dude), the 100+ yellows and the 6 Greens that lead them...well if I've calculated that correctly (tell me if I'm wrong) then the other group that is not with us is gonna need help. If backup comes to them from the perimeter group bc the higherups were able to readjust the battle plan to the circumstances, they should be fine. If no backup comes, those ~14 Greens, all G1 or G2 iicr, are gonna be severely outnumbered and overwhelmed. The barbs are quite used to battle, they'll be able to adjust to the surprise attack fairly quickly. They come from a warrior culture and know how to work as a cohesive military unit. Compared to them, our Sect brothers and sisters...don't. They all have unique abilities and the whole force is comprised of volunteers, not people who specifically have trained and fought together before. Never underestimate a well-disciplined enemy unit--even if most of them are Yellows, that many buffed by their Green leaders will be able to at least some considerable damage to G1s and G2s.
Now about your response. The situation with the huge mass of yellows and their Green leaders is something LQ has beaten before and can beat again. She can take out the buffers like she has at the village and when battling the Brute underground with JR. She can also make the whole group less cohesive, prevent them from getting organized, drain their qi and kill or at least injure a large number of them. She's shined in this scenario before. The word around the Sect is that LQ is an extremely powerful combatant, they've probably all heard about what a great military asset she's been so far.
Now I'm not saying that we should be at the rim, handling the Yellows and Green barbs. (It'd be pointless anyway, that vote isn't gonna win.) My point is that if LQ is seen backing up CRX with the Shishigui, no one is gonna argue w that. However, if people see her trying to nab and abscond w the stone, when they all know she could totally help out as a combatant, thats gonna look...bad. Logically, they all should know that grabbing the stone is helpful but when people get whipped in battle and their comrades die...they may look to place blame.

Edit: Whelp, no point in this long post now...my point still stands, I think. :p
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Sure, the Cloud Tribes are used to battle, but they're not exactly infamous for their hard point defense, are they? And that's what they'll have to do here in order to try and prevent the Sect from capturing what is apparently a very important ritual site. I expect that this will make the fight much more even than what the numbers and cultivation levels would imply. And hey, it's not like occupying a bunch of high level Greens doesn't contribute to the fight.
 
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