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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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BungieONI said:
Here's the deal
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It's a bad deal that gambles on the passivity of an actor that only has your hopeful interpretation of his reticence to back your assumption on it

It's genuinely an awful idea and reeks of bad rationalization

Kian said:
I think the big problem is that most if us think that we have earned to give one big sucker punch before the fight actually starts due to lq being undetected and playing atillery observer. You seem to think that the enemy cyan can react to any attack, including the attack of guan zhi, without being bothered by surprise. That seems to be the big divide? Is that about right?
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Yes?

Because that's the whole.point of supernatural perception and defensive techniques in the first place

Unless you're stealth you dont get an unanswerable first strike

And even then

Ling Qi got to react to the Shishigui Dancer when it got the drop on her

The benefit is that the enemy doesn't get to.spool up and fight at peak effectiveness. Not that they just stand there gaping like a deer in the headlights
 
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TehChron said:
It's a bad deal that gambles on the passivity of an actor that only has your hopeful interpretation of his reticence to back your assumption on it

It's genuinely an awful idea and reeks of bad rationalization
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The idea isn't gambling on the passivity of an actor. It's gambling an the actors acting in self interest towards the star stone. We know he wants it. Why wouldn't he immediately go for it the instant things start? Why would he waste his time protecting people he doesn't like when his goal is right there?
 
Moratorium over

[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone

TIME TO PULL OFF THE GRANDEST HEIST OF ALL TIME!!!!!!
 
[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone
 
[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone
 
TehChron said:
It's a bad deal that gambles on the passivity of an actor that only has your hopeful interpretation of his reticence to back your assumption on it

It's genuinely an awful idea and reeks of bad rationalization
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I don't see it as passivity, since in my mind his priority list looks like this:

1 Get the Starstone.
2 Protect himself and his guys.
3 Punch any Imperials that show up or any of the other factions who become hostile.

He doesn't have much reason to care about the Shishigui and the tribes aligned with them, when now that the Starstone is there his primary objective is going to be taking the holy object to his people and protecting himself and his people.

[X] Plan XCOM door breach:
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][CRX] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][LQ] Weaken or eliminate the forces on the rim before empowerment can begin

Trying to steal the stone as a first move means likely contesting him, which I don't want to try without CRX and Guan Zhi support there, and I agree with the general idea that lots of yellows is a bad thing if they can get empowered.

[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
 
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Neshuakadal said:
The idea isn't gambling on the passivity of an actor. It's gambling an the actors acting in self interest towards the star stone. We know he wants it. Why wouldn't he immediately go for it the instant things start? Why would he waste his time protecting people he doesn't like when his goal is right there?
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Why would he leave them to die after just agreeing to support them?

BungieONI said:
I don't see it as passivity, since in my mind his priority list looks like this:
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And why dont the other Cloud barbarians fall.under 2?
 
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[X] Plan XCOM door breach
[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
 
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EternalObserver said:
Moratorium over

[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone

TIME TO PULL OFF THE GRANDEST HEIST OF ALL TIME!!!!!!
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[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone

What do you mean? Clearly we gotta do this side quest a dozen (minus one) more times~
 
[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone

Ling Qi is the wind thief!
 
[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans

Yeah, as much as I'd rather not aggro the twelve, the risk is too big to vote anything else.
 
[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone
 
TehChron said:
Why would he leave them to die after just agreeing to support them?
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He didn't agree to support them or assist them, that's what the Shishigui was trying to buy when it offered up the stone.

yrsillar said:
"The White Sky confederation sees no value in treating with demons," the man said. Several of the warriors among the first group shot him disgusted looks. "If our brothers in the north are so desperate the Sky Palace Koliada will welcome them. More hands will only make work proceed faster."

The cyan cultivator glowered at the pair before turning back to the others. "The Twelve Star confederation agrees to an extent. Your strike was foolish.It is too soon, even if you succeeded. Great Khan Galidan is still organizing his strength, and while the First is acclimated the Third and Seventh are not yet ready for war."

"We do not ask your assistance without gifts," the Shishigui barked. "We, the deep people, know what sleeps here."

"...If you have desecrated the cradle of the Twelfth, you will regret it," the more powerful cultivator grumbled.

"We know you seek the fallen stars, son of the skies," The Shishigui growled. It clapped it's hands, and the air shimmered. The center of the caldera shook with a weighty thump as a lump of prismatic stone more than ten meters wide rose from the earth as if it were water. "My people are of the deep earth. We can deliver your stars."
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And he spends most of his time chastising them for acting too fast.


TehChron said:
And why dont the other Cloud barbarians fall.under 2?
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Because they're not his tribe.
 
[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone
 
[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone
 
[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone
 
Mmm, yeah. Reasonable odds that us dropping everything on the shishigui results in their effective elimination and Twelve Stars dude moving to secure the Starstone and bugging out. At which point the question changes to "can we stop him from escaping?" and that feels more up to our Cyans - though we could potentially help tie up his support.

Trying to go for the stone ourselves in that instance would seem like an invitation for him to splat us and not recommended. Us going for the perimeter to tilt things in favor of team us makes sense.

Otoh, if Zhou nukes him then he's likely to be more focused on defending himself from her. Shishigui likely to be alive, so if he wants to grab the stone things are more complicated unless they agree to be friends quickly.... Which is not impossible but they're unlikely to be cool with him ditching them. More people alive even if they've been hurt so the tables are arguably less tilted in our favour? (tho obviously this depends on how valuable you think weakening cyan dude is)
 
TehChron said:
Yes?

Because that's the whole.point of supernatural perception and defensive techniques in the first place

Unless you're stealth you dont get an unanswerable first strike

And even then

Ling Qi got to react to the Shishigui Dancer when it got the drop on her

The benefit is that the enemy doesn't get to.spool up and fight at peak effectiveness. Not that they just stand there gaping like a deer in the headlights
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By that meassure I could argue, that guan zhi got a whole lot of strikes against the fortess in before the shishigui cyan was able to mount a defense.
 
Thor's Twin said:
Why would the Shishigui try and entice the Twelve Star Confederation to support them with starstone if they have already agreed to support them? It just doesn't seem like an agreement has yet been reached.
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To change this

yrsillar said:
The cyan cultivator glowered at the pair before turning back to the others. "The Twelve Star confederation agrees to an extent
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To something more favorable. Given that the offer only came up after they agreed.


BungieONI said:
He didn't agree to support them or assist them, that's what the Shishigui was trying to buy when it offered up the stone.
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Then what did they agree or not agree to upon getting to that point in the conversation?

Kian said:
By that meassure I could argue, that guan zhi got a whole lot of strikes against the fortess in before the shishigui cyan was able to mount a defense.
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Physical distance matters? I'm not sure why I have to point that out
 
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