Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Agreed, which is why HDW is better for our initial foray than ENM (the other art people were discussing modding). It's kind of hard for HDW to become worse.
We pretty much only use Spring Breeze Canto out of this set, so we aren't risking much.
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Ling Qi is not obligated to help her, you know that, right? Bian Ya is an older disciple, and seems to be genuinely friendly and sociable. I don't think she has noone to talk to about that, if she wants.
My concern is that we need advanced insights which will almost certainly come from trials, said trials are fairly unlikely to come up on any given action, and our time is mostly accounted for.
It would really suck to be stuck at G5 and having to do a bunch of gacha before we continue to advance.
It would really suck to be stuck at G5 and having to do a bunch of gacha before we continue to advance.
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The one advanced insight we've gotten has come from a character-focused plot development, not from a random encounter, though. And we've got a lot of character-focused plot coming up. I really don't think a gacha encounter, even one set up by the Sect, is likely to provide the fuel for an advanced insight on the level of "helping our music mentor resolve her internal conflict and assume guardianship of her beloved daughter."
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- California
I'm not sure where this idea is coming from. We don't get advanced insights from trials. We get advanced insights from character development. Our last advanced insight was a culmination of our time spent interacting with Zeqing (which started back in FoD) as well as Ling Qi's past experiences. Trials such as the Bloody Moon one might help with this, but main story arcs are likely to be a far more reliable source.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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[X] Plan: Whispering on the Wind
Yeah, I think I like HDW modding and trusting the path of the story to provide insights.
E: I also think its going to be kind of bizarre in a way I don't like if we go for making a successor to FSS before ever actually modifying an art. Logically they should have somewhat similar components or steps that need to be taken in the early stages.
Yeah, I think I like HDW modding and trusting the path of the story to provide insights.
E: I also think its going to be kind of bizarre in a way I don't like if we go for making a successor to FSS before ever actually modifying an art. Logically they should have somewhat similar components or steps that need to be taken in the early stages.
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I really, really don't like the idea of fucking up our upgrade of FSS 'cause we assumed it'd be easy and safe to learn and implement in the very last minute.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Not really what I'm concerned about in this instance, its more a narrative storyline concern of "Hmm throwing Ling Qi into this in one go seems kind of stupid and I don't like it".
And I'm saying the translation of "throwing Ling Qi into this in one go seems kinda stupid" into mechanics might just be unpleasant for the people participating in this quest.
I don't think we're likely to face a cultivation-crippling disaster, but one of the consequences of setting ourselves a cultivation target so much higher than average is that meeting it means we can't afford the stumbles the average cultivator can just shrug off.
And one such consequence might be "you'll have to make a successor for a different Art before you can try again with this one."
Given how tight we've chosen to make our cultivation schedule...
BungieONI
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That's not actually a thing the mechanics account for. Mechanics for Successor creation have been laid out for us and its pretty much "expend effort, get art" with that expended effort being the point where errors come up and are dealt with.
There is no "and then its broken" like you're describing.
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- Florida
When ya just cant hold it in anymore..
I'm pretty sure this was the source of that entire arc and (I think?) it was a random event from us deciding to climb the mountain instead of going through a tunnel.
More opportunities for such events seems like a good idea as most go nowhere and this took quite a while to resolve.
I'm not saying that we'll get an advanced insight from this explore action but I wouldn't be surprised if we got one from an arc that followed from one.
(I stripped out a bit before meeting Hanyi, that may have been the only random bit)
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BungieONI
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I think Pickle's point is that regardless of how we got there, character development is what actually provided that insight and that more character development will provide more insights. While it was a random event that led to meeting Hanyi, everything that followed and the actual process that created that insight was character development.
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Yep. Meeting Hanyi was a random roll. Getting Zhengui was a random roll. Surviving the Dreaming Moon rave without being completely addled by it was a random roll, allowing us to meet Sixiang. But the stuff that has come out of that has not been predicated on randomness; we did not need a random event roll to trigger to deal with Zeqing, we just needed to keep showing up to lessons until the crisis hit.
Similarly, I do not think that, even in the best-case scenario, it is reasonable to expect that we will get a random event roll now that will allow us to have an experience of corresponding weight and meaning as the Zeqing arc by the end of month 18 (which is when we would hit G6 unless soft-capped by insufficient advanced insights). That does not seem reasonable to me; not when we have so much stuff of emotional and philosophical significance already on our plate and in progress.
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- The Space Between
Darkness Month was one of the best turns mechanically, narratively, and Ling Qi-y and I'm glad it worked so well <3 hell yeah
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Always forward eh?
I actually hate the fact that we don't have time for exploration, and really want to vote for it because it's FUN
We know that Hanyi's Idol Debut is next turn, and I want to go exploring and blow off steam before that!
The other major major things happening this next turn are Zhengui Garden Time Yay!
and the much anticipated cultivation of SSC, Song Seeker's Ceremony, our specific Cultivation Art successor to Eight Phase Ceremony that will be very powerful (and likely has something to do with the Green4 "Framing Stage" we're in). Maybe our Domain will get a name! Maybe we'll get more Moon Quest!
I expect Zhengui's Garden Time to culminate with choices to resolve our Heart Demon. Which is almost certainly the denial that Zhengui is our adopted son.
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What sucks though, is that we have been waiting for Bian Ya interactions for a long time, we're getting a talisman but Perception (especially combat) really needs a boost, HDW is the best art for us to smash with a hammer for practice, communication would be very much appreciated with the swirling narratives of Teamwork, Empathy advanced skill, Connecting deeply with our spirits, and assisting in the formations of their domains (of which not even we have a named domain yet) is uh. It's all important.
[X] Plan: Whispering on the Wind
as someone that is very curious about how Art Modding works, smashing this gacha while we can sounds better than waiting for turn 15 for a free AP to use. I would rather deal with the thread salt of Not Exploring when all of us want to explore on that map again soon, than the salt thread of Exploring and getting a bad roll lol.
the narrative continues to conspire against Explore which only gives the Weilu corpse more time to be Spooky and Mysterious :0
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Always forward eh?
I actually hate the fact that we don't have time for exploration, and really want to vote for it because it's FUN
We know that Hanyi's Idol Debut is next turn, and I want to go exploring and blow off steam before that!
The other major major things happening this next turn are Zhengui Garden Time Yay!
and the much anticipated cultivation of SSC, Song Seeker's Ceremony, our specific Cultivation Art successor to Eight Phase Ceremony that will be very powerful (and likely has something to do with the Green4 "Framing Stage" we're in). Maybe our Domain will get a name! Maybe we'll get more Moon Quest!
I expect Zhengui's Garden Time to culminate with choices to resolve our Heart Demon. Which is almost certainly the denial that Zhengui is our adopted son.
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What sucks though, is that we have been waiting for Bian Ya interactions for a long time, we're getting a talisman but Perception (especially combat) really needs a boost, HDW is the best art for us to smash with a hammer for practice, communication would be very much appreciated with the swirling narratives of Teamwork, Empathy advanced skill, Connecting deeply with our spirits, and assisting in the formations of their domains (of which not even we have a named domain yet) is uh. It's all important.
[X] Plan: Whispering on the Wind
as someone that is very curious about how Art Modding works, smashing this gacha while we can sounds better than waiting for turn 15 for a free AP to use. I would rather deal with the thread salt of Not Exploring when all of us want to explore on that map again soon, than the salt thread of Exploring and getting a bad roll lol.
the narrative continues to conspire against Explore which only gives the Weilu corpse more time to be Spooky and Mysterious :0
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[X] Plan: Whispering on the Wind
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- Fabulously Rainbow Ireland
..........yes I'm totally sure a choice to modify a random art for experimentation is totally and utterly necessary for not screwing up making our FSS successor art and in no way assumes that a narrative character-defining moment is completely dependant on this single mechanical system addition /s
Something to note is that there are Sect-ran Trials for members of the Inner Sect, just like there are for the Outer Sect.
As such, the best case scenario of Exploration wouldn't be an Art (... honestly that might be the worst outcome, especially if it's something ridiculously good - what hole would such an art fill?) or an event that grants an advanced skill or, pushes us towards an advanced Insight.
No, the best case scenario seems to be getting a month of Elder Tutoring without spending CP on it upon the successful completion of a Trial.
I am not going to claim that this is likely, the best use of an Elder's time, or that gunning for such an event is the best use of our time. Just that it's on the list.
As such, the best case scenario of Exploration wouldn't be an Art (... honestly that might be the worst outcome, especially if it's something ridiculously good - what hole would such an art fill?) or an event that grants an advanced skill or, pushes us towards an advanced Insight.
No, the best case scenario seems to be getting a month of Elder Tutoring without spending CP on it upon the successful completion of a Trial.
I am not going to claim that this is likely, the best use of an Elder's time, or that gunning for such an event is the best use of our time. Just that it's on the list.
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- United States of America
Quite honestly, one of the draws regarding exploration on this turn, for me at least, is the potential synergy between cultivating SSC and then going out there and exploring and seeking the hidden places of the Inner Sect. Making contact with spirits and engaging with them rather through exploration seems like it would pair wonderfully in the narrative with Ling Qi diving deeper into SSC, an art that rewards such actions and wants Ling Qi to go out there and do things.
Given that connection between the actions, I just think that exploration is the better choice.
Given that connection between the actions, I just think that exploration is the better choice.
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This is my reason for considering the explore plan, personally. But I think I still prefer the other by a slight margin.
[X] Plan: Whispering on the Wind