If you want to make soul gems out of souls through sacrifice you are probably better off appealing to a smith god, or lacking that R'hllor. The Old Gods have no means of interacting with souls that does not touch the Greendream.
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If you want to make soul gems out of souls through sacrifice you are probably better off appealing to a smith god, or lacking that R'hllor. The Old Gods have no means of interacting with souls that does not touch the Greendream.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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Eh, we were never going to get much of body-loot out of this campaign anyway, some hairbrained schemes aside.
Good thing it was never a point, either.
Burn Sarnor so the asshole Undead don't attack us when we are busy.
Gather the bodies for free HD, move on to more important matters.
Sacrifices aren't as important a point as they have been before anyway, ever since we've done the main sacrifice-goalposts for OGs (DA!Tree, fleshforges, fire-immunity) and other gods (the attack on Timmie).
We can always summon Daemons in a pinch (we just choose not to) if we need some pale roots watered.
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Excellent. Added that. Hopefully it'll be a good first step in building trust.
You've got to be pretty damn close to Valyria to have dragonroads built for you.
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Yeah I think she will be fine with the whole blood sacrifice thing but helps to ask so let's ask away.
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We could also "lay them to rest" for warm fuzzy loot if feeding them to the old gods is impractical.
I think our broad goal here should be to use Sarnor as a petri dish for our "un fuck reality" projects like restoring heavens shore and the outer planes.
Fixing a large country with hundreds of thousands of inhabitants should give us a better idea about what that kind of shit will entail.
I think our broad goal here should be to use Sarnor as a petri dish for our "un fuck reality" projects like restoring heavens shore and the outer planes.
Fixing a large country with hundreds of thousands of inhabitants should give us a better idea about what that kind of shit will entail.
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Even if she isn't fine with it that's alright. We're not doing this campaign for sacrifices.
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Yup there are plenty of Outsider we have to feed. I was hoping for a couple but an undead monarch is worth more than the hassle of capturing undead...man it is a pain in the ass.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
I don't want to make soul gems out of sacrifice, it's the fact that the old gods don't interact with the soul when accepting a sacrifice I want, they drain the power of the body not the soul, which mean there should not be any problems with a wizard casting create soul gem, on someone being sacrificed to the old gods.
Sacrificing them is to get reagents, they sacrifice themselves before a Heart Tree that can cast plant growth, the tree grow a whole bunch of reagents, a wizard(or someone who can use the magic item) stand ready to put their soul in a soul gem, then the soul gem is sent to the Fungus/Flesh Forge, where it's put in a new body.
Or if that don't work, I want to extract their souls without destroying their undead bodies, so their undead bodies can be used as raw materials in the Fungus Forge.
The soul gems will be made though items of create-soul-gem, but making their new bodies are expensive, and they wont be using their old bodies anyway, so I'm trying to sacrifice their old bodies, to get the money for making their new bodies.
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Look on the bright side, this is a great way to get XP for the Legion.
They need practice fighting undead hordes.Oh I see yeah that should produce some kind of meaningful sacrifice,
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Great, because that solve how we will pay, for re-embodying thousands or tens of thousands of undeads.
Can we have Viserys best guess, for how many reagents sacrificing in such a way, is likely to produce for every HD the undead has?
Also does this count as willing sacrifice?
- Less than the full amount, for more than that you would have to ask Bloodraven
- As long as the undead actually is willing and not compelled yes.
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[X] Duesal
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- Argentina
I'm going to be more diplomatic than the current vote. I don't disagree with it, but I see it as very blunt
[X] Then I see that there our interests are the same. The lands under my influence could certainly benefit as much as yours from a rebuilt and prospering Sarnor. Were the matter solved simply by pledging material aid I would gladly start over trade proposal, exchanges of knowledge, and aid into our studies of undeath and how to provide succor to those tormented by it. Yet, I fear that if I happened to rebuild trading routes between your city and those I rule over, then they wouldn't be peaceful routes.
-[X] You told me that this city was originally plunged into despair before you were raised. Tell me then, what do you know of the other cities? Are they doomed forever to the blackest instincts of undeath, or could they be redeemed under a fair enough leadership? ---Yes, the hint is pretty clear, we need someone to reign in the undead that do join us
-[X] My forces are already mustering to bring peace to the suffering of these lands, yet I must know first your position in this. Could they be redeemed? Shall we just burn their undead husks until nothing remains? Or shall I take care to preserve of what remains Sallosh's legacy for their sane descendants?
@Duesal, Sallosh is what we say that it is. We can balkanize it so that we have the living Salloshi with Vargor and undead Salloshi with this queen. We can always discipline her later, when we don't have a fuckton of undead to worry about.
Any input is appreciated.
[X] Then I see that there our interests are the same. The lands under my influence could certainly benefit as much as yours from a rebuilt and prospering Sarnor. Were the matter solved simply by pledging material aid I would gladly start over trade proposal, exchanges of knowledge, and aid into our studies of undeath and how to provide succor to those tormented by it. Yet, I fear that if I happened to rebuild trading routes between your city and those I rule over, then they wouldn't be peaceful routes.
-[X] You told me that this city was originally plunged into despair before you were raised. Tell me then, what do you know of the other cities? Are they doomed forever to the blackest instincts of undeath, or could they be redeemed under a fair enough leadership? ---Yes, the hint is pretty clear, we need someone to reign in the undead that do join us
-[X] My forces are already mustering to bring peace to the suffering of these lands, yet I must know first your position in this. Could they be redeemed? Shall we just burn their undead husks until nothing remains? Or shall I take care to preserve of what remains Sallosh's legacy for their sane descendants?
@Duesal, Sallosh is what we say that it is. We can balkanize it so that we have the living Salloshi with Vargor and undead Salloshi with this queen. We can always discipline her later, when we don't have a fuckton of undead to worry about.
Any input is appreciated.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
1. What's the full amount? Just asking because I really don't know, how many reagents a Heart Tree produce per HD, and knowing the full amount, should let my theories get closer to accuracy.
2. I would assume they would be willing, the whole point of this is to return undeads that want to live to life, if they're not willing, then we would just be sacrificing them the normal way.
It's not harder to transfer the soul to its new body once it's in a soul gem is it? Because unless that's the case, I think I have my preferred way of helping the Sarnori.
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I think that's pretty unfair to me, @Tomcost. I just don't gild my votes because DP does fine in taking care of the flowery diplomatic language. At its core it's a fair deal that has a good chance of success.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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I agree with this approach, for what it's worth.
We tend to put our words in Viserys' mouth far too much for our own good.
Dunno how about y'all, but I don't really enjoy entire chapters that essentialy recount all that we wrote in the vote, if spoken from different party members as talking heads, as some of them "suddenly interject" with the stuff that isnt fucking sudden.
Better let DP handle it
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*Reads the vote again*
Okay, you have changed it. I've been trying to post for some time and the Forum keeps showing up as if it were down, so I have trouble reading past post, or reloading pages.
My point is not that I care about flowery language, but the flow of the conversation. We want to be friends, but we really can't because of many murderskellies under chronic depression. We could use some help, and you could stand to gain much if you save us some carnage.
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Ah, yeah. I added in inviting her on the campaign as a way to build trust between us. I'm hoping this turns out like it did between us and the Serpentfolk.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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@DragonParadox Does Viserys think that Queenie could help us diplomance Kasath's rulers into joining our coalition?
What I was thinking is we could group up and then try to parley and convince them into a similar deal we arrange here, and then team up the three of us together to solve the mystery of Mardosh, and maybe pacify at least some of the dead there.
Then we group up together and deal with Sarnor itself. Gornath's Rat King doesn't seem like a proactive fellow, so us and our allies can start off fresh and take on the strongest threat, and then just deal with him last.
Presuming it plays out like this, I'm guessing Viserys would esitmate it better to just leave the Dothraki behind. Which is okay, since we can just bring in one or two Legions instead, get them experience, and maybe give Rhango and his Khalasar some catharsis by dealing with Gornath ourselves.
Everyone wins!
What I was thinking is we could group up and then try to parley and convince them into a similar deal we arrange here, and then team up the three of us together to solve the mystery of Mardosh, and maybe pacify at least some of the dead there.
Then we group up together and deal with Sarnor itself. Gornath's Rat King doesn't seem like a proactive fellow, so us and our allies can start off fresh and take on the strongest threat, and then just deal with him last.
Presuming it plays out like this, I'm guessing Viserys would esitmate it better to just leave the Dothraki behind. Which is okay, since we can just bring in one or two Legions instead, get them experience, and maybe give Rhango and his Khalasar some catharsis by dealing with Gornath ourselves.
Everyone wins!
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Even with just the queen, the Dothraki should be nowhere near this fight. It's a surefire way to have the Sarnori pissed at us for harboring their murderers.
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Yeah, I see it now. Yet I think that we should ask about her input first. I mean, if we could take over one city by murderblendering the current leadership and having her swoop in and claim it we would save resources and gain future followers.
I mean, you don't outright ban that possibility, but neither do you have it as a focus. And I certainly would like to try to take over the remaining cities without blooding our troops.
The votes are not so different right now, so I am not opposed to it anyway.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
Right, I had no intention of bringing them if all we managed to secure was the Queen's help, I was more generalizing an ideal scenario.