A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
-
- Tags
- a song of ice and fire a sword without a hilt d&d 3.5 dungeons & dragons 100% high octane dragon fuel ave corvidae battle action dragon diplomacy best sister bureaucromancy delicious soul-stuff dragon dreams come true dragon ta'veren greatest uncle hubris is a coward's word in defiance of gods and men mammon's folly mutually assured mage's disjunction qm murderhobo top tier coatl
Evaunit02mark1
S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
That's fair. You don't rule a prosperous age by bending the knee to whatever well talking dandy wanders into your palace with shiny trinkets and compliments.
At this point "Not ruling a desecrated husk filled with undead" is probably high on the list of priorities.
Offering her ways to fix such a state would be well within our means and would certainly go over well, just so long as we offer it sincerely and not as a bribe for her loyalty.
Last edited:
- Location
- United States
Called it. Undead hate being undead.
From Viserys' read it seems she hates less being undead and more living in ruins of her once proud and prosperous home. Note it's not 'I hate living ina tomb where is a skull to pose dramatically with' and more 'I hade living in an open desecrated tomb.'
Evaunit02mark1
S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
Also as a side note, if we do offer her ways of restoring her people we need to tell her why we're so willing and determined to do so.
Being undead is fine, being a puppet for the void is not. So long as she's aware of it then whatever choice she makes is on her, but she needs to be aware if only to deny the Void a fully functioning society to infect.
Being undead is fine, being a puppet for the void is not. So long as she's aware of it then whatever choice she makes is on her, but she needs to be aware if only to deny the Void a fully functioning society to infect.
- Location
- United States
While her pride makes her hate the desecration even more, that hardly means she likes being undead as was being argued before.
[X] Offer an alliance against the other cities, pretenders all, careful to mention the actions of the dead of Sallosh in supporting their living descendants as opposed to those who plotted to use Vargo that they might tear even Saath down //Approach this as we did with the Serpentfolk, start off as allies and trading partners who could later be persuaded to become vassals.
-[X] Go further, extend an invitation for her to join your campaign outright against the other Sarnori. This will hopefully be the first step in building trust between the two of you.
[X] Pledge trade and the sharing of lore that would aid her people overcome the darkness upon them
-[X] If deemed safe, mention our willingness to aid the queen in bringing her people back from undeath and giving them warforged bodies (a technology developed by the Sarnori no less), while offering resurrection via the rituals developed for Amrelath and Laenor Targaryen for anyone the Queen chooses (with the implication that we'd be happy to resurrect her, but making sure not to offer any offense). //Only to be offered if we're certain this won't rouse the queen's anger against us. If necessary save this offer for after a joint campaign when more trust has been established.
--[X] If pressed for our motivations, we see this as killing two birds with one stone. An injustice of a murdered city is undone, and we gain a powerful ally in Sathar against the far more hostile cities nearby.
Last edited:
- Location
- florida
Mentioning that the remaining living of Sarnor and a chunk of the dead are under our rule could be a powerful bargaining chip. Albeit one that must be used carefully.
We want information, military aid (likely as an operating base), and critically the legitimacy that getting her under our wings would grant our conquest.
We can offer knowledge of life and undeath, as well as... some ressurections maybe.
We can also provide her legitimacy and resources by opening contact between her and the rest of the world. Our kingdom is... probably egalitarian enough to let undead do business? I dont remember if its specifically illegal.
We can also serve as a mediator between her and any of the political factions we are connected to. Of which there are a fuckton.
Edit:
@Duesal shes probably not going to be interested in ressurection, and might be offended by it. Ask if she has any subordinates that she would like raised instead.
We want information, military aid (likely as an operating base), and critically the legitimacy that getting her under our wings would grant our conquest.
We can offer knowledge of life and undeath, as well as... some ressurections maybe.
We can also provide her legitimacy and resources by opening contact between her and the rest of the world. Our kingdom is... probably egalitarian enough to let undead do business? I dont remember if its specifically illegal.
We can also serve as a mediator between her and any of the political factions we are connected to. Of which there are a fuckton.
Edit:
@Duesal shes probably not going to be interested in ressurection, and might be offended by it. Ask if she has any subordinates that she would like raised instead.
Last edited:
- Location
- Texas
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Duesal
- Location
- United States
Sallosh already has a governor, and the ghosts there promised to aid him and his people. We can't just take authority away from him.
I'll word it as resurrection for any she chooses, with the implication of her being welcome to it being obvious.
- Location
- Canada (eh)
[X] Duesal
- Location
- ?????????
Should we tell her about the void memetic nonsense?
My read of her is that she was perfectly happy being dead. But then her descendants woke her up and told her 'GreatGreat... Greatgrandma, we fucked everything up' and now she's mad as hell because she needs to fix this mess. The undead thing is a secondary problem at best, going back into her nice tomb after she fixes things would be perfectly alright by her.
Last edited:
- Location
- United States
The same ritual that Amrelath and Laenor benefited from. Both were way beyond normal means of resurrection, so we just made a new fleshy body and stuck their undead husks in it, and at the end of it they were alive again. It's a bit more expensive than is convenient, though.
I'm not sure how to approach that at the moment.
I'm thinking earn some trust first with one of the proposed agreements, then segue into the foreign policy she needs to know to take our offer: "My kingdom, which is the entity offering you trade and/or backing, is here, other people are there and there, the enemies of all sanity are over yonder". And the latter will lead us into how the Others/Bloodstone Emperor are backed by the Void, this spooky metaphysical force with power over undead.
Last edited:
- Location
- florida
That's part of what I meant by legitimacy. The... optics. Of her running around and taking over much of Sarnor is better because, especially as an undead, shes one of them.
And where fear and pride overlap that means a lot.
- Location
- Germany
The research is not yet finished.
We are not even sure if that can be applied to existing undead, or only to newly raised ones.
- Location
- United States
That was my understanding of it as well. She's not happy to be back at all, much less in this state, and looking at the fact that Sarnor is gone and its current inhabitants are a mockery of the past. That said, while I agree that she does want rest again, she also seems too duty-bound to ever go for it. The next best thing is buckling down and fixing the mess.
We could build some of that trust by inviting her to fight alongside us in the campaign against the rest of Sarnor, even going so far as to offer her rights to the relics of her people. We're not doing this campaign for loot, we're doing it to get rid of a threat.
Great. Changing that part then.
We may also have to ease up on the sacrifice of our prisoners. Or at least sound her out on her stance towards such things. Normally I'd assume she'd be against doing that to her fellow undead from Sarnor, but she may actually be angry enough over this whole mess to say fuck them.
Last edited:
- Location
- United States
@DragonParadox, would she respond well to an invitation to join our campaign against the rest of the Sarnori?
That's fine by me. My priority here is just cleaning house.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Can this be done along with sacrifice? Can we cast spark of life on them, have them sacrifice themselves before a Heart Tree, use create soul gem to catch the soul before it pass on, and then put the soul into the new body?
Because that's a large part of what I'm after, if we can re-embody undeads in bodies grown in the Forge, and have them sacrifice their old bodies to the old gods, then that get the old gods a lot of sacrifice power, and depending on how many reagents such a sacrifice translate to, we can take a cut of the reagents, and so profit.
If not can we at least extract the soul, with the spark of life/create soul gem combination, feed their old body to the Fungus Forge, and put them in a new body?
Because making bodies for every common undead is going to be expensive, if we can use their undead bodies to pay for it, then that make it much more economical.
Last edited:
Viserys thinks that is likely given her recent outburst.
- Location
- ?????????
I imagine it will largely depend on whether she is pissed enough to not give a shit. We don't really know Sarnor's stance on Blood Magic though we know it was a protectorate of Valyria so I imagine they were okay with it.