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Precisely. This is the reason we never got to have a Negative Energy Arcanum. Negative Energy is annoyingly connected to the Void.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
We did though, the 'all-energy" arcanum was perfectly sane and our fearmongering proven moot.
Problem with Undead and NE is that they are leaking it all over the place unless properly corked up, which is what the ritual's purpose is.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
The very fact that most of the methods available to us to make it happen are very expensive and only possible when a high fantasy empire is leveraging considerable attention and care towards making it happen should act as a statement of intent as much as anything else in regards to our treatment of our allies.
So... I honestly do not see the point in too many fancy words here. There is a caveat to our generosity, but it is mostly in that our influence over the region will be considerable whether or not they retain full autonomy. It's very much a situation where the majority of people living here will come to regard us as holding cultural, political, military and economic primacy.
And if you are the proud sort, you may not like that.
So it just depends what her personality is truly like.
So... I honestly do not see the point in too many fancy words here. There is a caveat to our generosity, but it is mostly in that our influence over the region will be considerable whether or not they retain full autonomy. It's very much a situation where the majority of people living here will come to regard us as holding cultural, political, military and economic primacy.
And if you are the proud sort, you may not like that.
So it just depends what her personality is truly like.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
It's a good idea to have a few theoreticals worked out, that we can present to them, just to show that this isn't a pipedream, and we actually have thought about how to return them to life, and just need to complete the last research to be able to do so.
Hmm... that is a hard one. 30 progress will give you a means to implant soul gems in a body and drive them around, not it won't be as good as life. More like life by remote control.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
The plan is to basically say "we have a bunch of ways we can make your existence more pleasant and less susceptible to that of the Void. This is in both of our mutual interest for a variety of reasons, and I feel the methods available to us allow you to maintain your bargaining position in terms of military strength. What are the obstacles toward getting you to agree to this in principle?"
But dressed up in courtly language.
From there it is mostly her quibbling over the fact that she has a dragon willing to throw a considerable amount of money at fixing her problems, all for the low, low price of allowing Viserys basically be the most popular person around since... well, her. And secondarily, the pesky problem that no matter how much local autonomy she maintains, she will not have the means to remain a peer power, and will rapidly fall into our sphere of influence just by existing in proximity.
That would work, better than trying to slot soul stones into living bodies since it's mature technology.
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- United States
Point, the balanced energy turned out to work fine after a lot of argument.
Considering her history, I like to think she's humbled by now. She is a queen who watched the once proud Kingdom of Sarnor fall to bare-chested barbarians on horseback, who saw their great cities sundered and their people slaughtered and enslaved. And now she's back in the world, albeit not precisely alive, but with vengeance mostly sated with all the Dothraki gone from these lands. At this stage I can't imagine her turning her nose up at someone who makes an offer as generous as ours tend to be.
Considering undead have close to none of the normal pleasures of life I honestly doubt they'd be clinging to it. Especially given that we're talking to high nobility here who are used to far more extravagance.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
You previously said, that if a soul was released into a soulless body, it would naturally merge with said body, has that been changed?
The soul gems I'm talking about don't last anyway, so the point would be, to make it so when the soul gem naturally scatter, the soul merge with the body instead of going to the afterlife.
The idea is basically to make it, so once the gem naturally crumble, instead of traveling to the afterlife, the soul merge with the body it was slotted into.
All the way back when we resurrected Amrelath, you said that if you get a soul into a living but soulless body, the soul will live again in that body, so the challenge is to get the soul to go into the soulless body, instead of to the afterlife.
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You can't just release a soul into a body, you need magic to bind it, lesser magic than raise dead, but magic just the same. That said if you do not actually want the soul stone and the easy restoration it provides than yes 30 progress and then grow bodies, with the caveat that it is going to be harder to grow bodies for particularly exceptional individuals (Anyone with more than 6 HD and Classes).
Vote closed.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
If it's lesser magic than raise dead, then that's not really a problem, just need to make items of it.
And I don't want the soul stones to remain, they're simply the way of transporting the soul to its new vessel.
And they're a way to get value out of the old body, by extracting the soul into a soul gem, the old body can be sacrificed, thereby paying for the cost of making a new body for them.
The idea is basically that the body need to be paid for somehow, by extracting the soul, the old body can either be sacrificed before a Heart Tree to grow reagents, or sent to the Fungus Forge, to be used as raw materials to make the new body out of.
Whether we make them Warforged bodies or Fungus/Flesh Forge bodies, being able to put them in Soul gems first would be good, because we need to pay for this somehow, and sacrificing or sending their undead bodies to the Fungus Forge, is a way to do that.
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- Germany
She was dead for all of that though.
She died as one of Sarnor's earliest queens and only woke up long after the Dothraki-story.
She did not see any of that happen, only the results now.
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- United States
Ah, my bad. Still, while she didn't witness the fall of Sarnor, she does see cities empty of life and kingdoms fallen to ruin. The fact that she's been working to give them some semblance of normalcy is encouraging, and I really can't see her declaring that her kingdom remaining undead is the best course of action for her people when at least a warforged alternative with a possibility of future reincarnation is on the table.
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- Canada (eh)
Wonder if we're going to be coming across a Settra the Imperishable in one of the other cities?
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- United States
Sounds like we're going to be running into Arkhan the Black instead.
Or if we're particularly lucky, Nagash.
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- Titan
Is the Lesser Star of Unchained Wisdom Viserys uses going to upgraded?
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- Canada (eh)
Didn't we eat that burning tree to steal Ymir's power/lore a while ago? That was larger than our head wasn't it?
[X] Goldfish
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- Reno Nv
[X] Goldfish
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Part MMMDLXXVI: Queen's Ascent
Queen's Ascent
Third Day of the Second Month 294 AC
"Quite to the contrary, Most Gracious Majesty, it is a sign that time marches ever forward. We can move with it and advance accordingly, or attempt to fight the inevitable and be ground down by the relentless passage of pitiless moments," you answer smoothly.
Trying to read the expression behind the ivory mask, the posture writ in ensorcelled linen and ancient bone, would have once been impossible for you even with all the boons of sorcery and the whisper of elder dreams at the back of your mind. Yet for all you had not expected such as Queen Namaaru has shown herself to be this is not the first time you have reasoned with the ancient dead, nor is it likely to be the last. By the faintest glimmer of light in the mask's eye and the breath of unseen magic that flows through her veins you know her to be... intrigued.
As fair a reaction as you might have expected. "Terrible was the fate of Sathar in centuries past, but now there is hope for it to rise once more. We were heartened to learn the returned of Sathar were seeking to build anew, to restore what was lost and to move forward once more."
"It is a poor monarch who does not accept flattery with grace, but there I must correct you, young son of dragons. We are not yet moving forward, but clawing ourselves up from the crumbling grave that Sathar was made by the butchery of the Dothraki by the folly of its last lords." Her voice rises not in anything as gouache as a shout, more a well trained crescendo that causes several of the courtiers nearest to her floating throne to flinch as though they had been struck.
"Folly?" Dany asks curious in turn. "Forgive my presumption, majesty, but am I right in guessing you did not return to the world of the living during the first travail of Sarnor's awakening?"
"You ask for forgiveness with the air of one who is assured it child..." the dead queen begin severely, matching your sister's gaze with her own for the span of three long breaths. "Better to just leave it off next time," there might have been the faintest edge of approval to the words, but you do not have long to ponder it for the queen judges your sister's question worth answering. "Yes child, I did not wake from the first. Tell me travelers from a far land, do you know what the savages renamed the Waterfall City to?"
"The Wailing Children," Teana replies, disgust and pity writ clear upon her face for the horrors that earned that name.
"Yes," Queen Namaaru confirms. "When this city first awoke it was to madness, madness that infected man and horse alike, madness that avenged itself upon those that birthed it, but the wailing wind would not be stilled in its bitter triumph. How could it when it did not know itself, but only sorrow and rage? The failures of the Fading Age were content to let their ears fill with the wails of lost children. They marched through the streets and proclaimed victory, they feted and feasted, until at last a bear handful more concerned with putting an end to the pain than wallowing in blood and grave dirt called to their elders to the tombs still closed beneath the veil of the falls. Thus I awoke, thus I stilled the wailing of the children. Thus I am here and.. I... shall.. not... dwell... in an open... desecrated... tomb!"
The last words fall like the stroke of thunder echoing under stone, a denial of the curse of her people that seems to steal the air from the chamber. Whatever else the present Queen of Sathar is she is not content with her lot in unlife. You can use that, but you must be careful that her pride is not roused against you.
What do you do?
[] Try to question her about the other cities
[] Offer an alliance against the other cities, pretenders all. Careful to mention the actions of the dead of Sallosh in supporting their living descendants as opposed to those who plotted to use Vargo that they might tear even Saath down
[] Pledge trade and the sharing of lore that would aid her people in overcoming the darkness upon them
[] Write in
OOC: It is Viserys' estimation that asking for fealty without any building of trust beforehand is unlikely to work.
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- Argentina
SETTRA DOES NOT BOW!