Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

Elsecaller · Jul 1, 2020

Ayashi said:
Because adding offense (or defense) in a Mobility art will only weaken it when we could simply use a pure offense (or defense) art which we already have.

I mean we already have a pure stealth art as well in ENM and Wind Thief is already pretty good at dodging. Wind Thief seems to be pretty balanced art between stealth, movement, and Avoid from looking at the stats and techs of the art.

picklepikkl · Jul 1, 2020

Ayashi said:
Because adding offense (or defense) in a Mobility art will only weaken it when we could simply use a pure offense (or defense) art which we already have.

It's not just a mobility art:

yrsillar said:
Keywords:
- Darkness, Intangibility, Motion, Wind, Yin.
- Athletics, Dance, Dodge, Stealth.

Passive Effects:
+25 to Speed
+10 to Initiative
+10 to Stealth
Speed and Stealth bonuses increase by 10 when airborne
+10 to Physical Avoid
+10 to Spiritual Avoid
+10 to Physical and Spiritual Avoid against effects which would restrain or impede movement
+10 to stealth when avoiding divination arts

Plus, of the techs it has, Zephyr's Mocking Escape is heavily defensive, Breeze in the Vault is stealth-focused, and Sable Crescent Step no-sells an attack (or lets you step in to deliver an attack even harder, but I think we've only ever used that feature like once).

There are definitely valid reasons to prefer one, but I don't think it's reasonable to say that LFWT is "only" a mobility art, therefore "only" the mobility option will not weaken it.

TimEd · Jul 1, 2020

I know we have a dedicated Stealth Art, but do we have one for avoid other than LFWT? Would PLR count?

Edit: Just checked. Seems PLR gets Avoid benefits as well. I think I'm gonna vote full avoid now, instead of Avoid and Stealth, since I like LQ fitting PLR's style more.

[X] The warm western wind, herald of spring (enhances Avoid effects of art)

NoxOfUmbra · Jul 1, 2020

The stealth part of the art is weaker than the other parts by a rank (C to Bs), the fact that EMM will end this turn means that we are not going to have a dedicated stealth art beyond G3. Why are so many people putting that as an argument for not choosing stealth?

TimEd · Jul 1, 2020

NoxOfUmbra said:
The stealth part of the art is weaker than the other parts by a rank (C to Bs), the fact that EMM will end this turn means that we are not going to have a dedicated stealth art beyond G3. Why are so many people putting that as an argument for not choosing stealth?

Has someone posted a comparison on our current build regarding which arts get which benefit? I either missed it, or nobody has posted one yet.

And on Stealth, this may be a decent way to slowly wean Ling Qi off of stealth (or at least make it not be the main focus of her build), so others may be voting for that reason.

Kai Merah · Jul 1, 2020

[X] the gentle eastern wind, unnoticed by all (enhances stealth effects of art)

Xepheria · Jul 1, 2020

TimEd said:
Has someone posted a comparison on our current build regarding which arts get which benefit? I either missed it, or nobody has posted one yet.

And on Stealth, this may be a decent way to slowly wean Ling Qi off of stealth (or at least make it not be the main focus of her build), so others may be voting for that reason.

No one wants to 'slowly wean Ling Qi off stealth'. It's an integral part of our defence layering, and something she happens to be incredibly good at.

Honestly, posts like these just amplify fear-mongering, and I genuinely have no idea where the sentiment comes from.

veekie · Jul 1, 2020

Xepheria said:
No one wants to 'slowly wean Ling Qi off stealth'. It's an integral part of our defence layering, and something she happens to be incredibly good at.

Honestly, posts like these just amplify fear-mongering, and I genuinely have no idea where the sentiment comes from.

Fearmongering to encourage emphasizing stealth because not focusing stealth means phasing it out!
Granted, its never really worked like that...ever really.

It'd be like saying we want to wean Ling Qi off dodging because she's not focusing it right now, and SCS is basically her only real Avoid-focused art(PLR evades as an accessory to the big phantasmal part-ay).

Nemonowan · Jul 1, 2020

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Adhoc vote count started by Nemonowan on Jul 1, 2020 at 10:37 AM, finished with 272 posts and 166 votes.

89 people have voted
[X] The warm western wind, herald of spring (enhances Avoid effects of art)
- Huo Yuhao
- Xepheria
- Mellithae
- karmaoa
- picklepikkl
- Mr Apollo
- Anderein
- Angelazreal1
- 1986ctcel
- lendary
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- Olgol2
- ConspiratorX
- Anders
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- veekie
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- Mr.rodent
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- Kingofbooks
- Empere
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- spiritualatheist
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- DeusExBritannia
- Lynk
- wingstrike96
- Zwobot
- meianmaru
- thamuzz
... and 49 more.
87 people have voted
[X] the gentle eastern wind, unnoticed by all (enhances stealth effects of art)
- NoxOfUmbra
- CornyBones
- HeroBob
- Braidtugger
- Vanguard_D
- olamide
- Lena27
- dycouza
- fictionfan
- NullVoid
- Bluffen
- uiopion
- Arkeus
- Apocalyptic Loon
- Neshuakadal
- azatol
- Varder
- Resonant
- Astro Ambulance
- tryrar
- sleepypanda
- Novi
- Forte
- Ompa60
- SamuraiNCO
- JunglyBush
- Hunendora
- Kellopyy
- Octol
- Clotho
- Humbaba
- Thor's Twin
- Ayashi
- EternalObserver
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- Lydia
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- Black Noise
- Tomsta
- LotusPocus
... and 47 more.
68 people have voted
[X] The tempestuous northern wind, bringer of storms (Enhances speed and initiative effects of art)
- NoxOfUmbra
- CornyBones
- HeroBob
- Braidtugger
- Vanguard_D
- olamide
- Lena27
- dycouza
- fictionfan
- NullVoid
- Bluffen
- uiopion
- Arkeus
- Apocalyptic Loon
- Neshuakadal
- azatol
- Varder
- Resonant
- Astro Ambulance
- tryrar
- sleepypanda
- Novi
- Forte
- Ompa60
- SamuraiNCO
- JunglyBush
- Hunendora
- Kellopyy
- Octol
- Clotho
- Humbaba
- Thor's Twin
- Ayashi
- Redciv3
- JowKeen
- Eastern Calculus
- angelofwhim
- Theunderbolt
- Dragonace111
- Zakelga
... and 28 more.
4 people have voted
[X] The cold south wind, which cut to the bone (enhances offensive aspects of art)
- Ordis
- tricholysis
- Hypate
- Octacron

CatOnTheWeb · Jul 1, 2020

Oh I haven't voted yet.

[X] the gentle eastern wind, unnoticed by all (enhances stealth effects of art)

1condor12 · Jul 1, 2020

[X] The tempestuous northern wind, bringer of storms (Enhances speed and initiative effects of art)
[X] the gentle eastern wind, unnoticed by all (enhances stealth effects of art)

JowKeen · Jul 1, 2020

[X] The tempestuous northern wind, bringer of storms (Enhances speed and initiative effects of art)
[X] the gentle eastern wind, unnoticed by all (enhances stealth effects of art)

I'd prefer stealth to spring

Qazplm · Jul 1, 2020

[X] The warm western wind, herald of spring (enhances Avoid effects of art)

AzureShogun · Jul 1, 2020

yrsillar said:
Yes," the other girl agreed.
Out in the field, Wang Chao had leveled his pike at Zhengui. "Let us begin then! Sir Ling, I will give you a five count to prepare yourself!"

Ling Qi blinked, referring to Zhengui that way… Wang Chao was taking her claim of him as her little brother kind of seriously wasn't he. She wondered, was that actually a thing she could do, legally speaking?

Does that mean that when the anime adaptation comes out he'll be called Ling Gui Ni-san?

Food Cultivator.

yrsillar said:
"Just after our escape," Xuan Shi looked pleased. "In my meditations, a Spirit of the Liminal approached and wished to make a pact. It is temporary yet, but this one is hopeful."

"Huh, funny, didn't notice anybody around besides that jerk," Sixiang murmured blearily.

I feel like I've been smashed in the face by the sledge hammer of foreshadowing. I'm going to be surprised if it isn't the evil spirit.

yrsillar said:
She looked at the ground, and decided that she wasn't falling anymore.

Zhengui: What's happening? I don't understand!
Sixiang: She's beggining to believe.

fischi101 · Jul 1, 2020

[X] the gentle eastern wind, unnoticed by all (enhances stealth effects of art)

LOLROFL · Jul 1, 2020

[X] The warm western wind, herald of spring (enhances Avoid effects of art)

commando2341 · Jul 1, 2020

[X] The warm western wind, herald of spring (enhances Avoid effects of art)

Mother Nyx · Jul 1, 2020

[X] the gentle eastern wind, unnoticed by all (enhances stealth effects of art)

Braidtugger · Jul 1, 2020

Hmm.... while I still think the north or east wind fits best with the Art, I have come around to being ok if the west wind wins. Wind Thief is a very individualistic art and the theme of speed (They can't catch me lol) or stealth theme fits best (They can't see me, isn't it great?).

If I may stretch the metaphor a bit, all four winds involves Laughter about the Thief's own prowess. On top of that , the north and east wind involves a bit of schadenfreude - about her opponents inability to catch or detect her. Whereas the warm, spring wind involves laughing about the rewards of her heist, as well as future events to come because of it.

Looking at it this way, I am hoping that the west wind could allow LQ to feel more joy for herself. I feel like a lot of her happiness is wrapped up in others. She's a bit gloomy on her own, our Ling Qi. What's missing, I think, is the - for the self, if not neccessarily selfish - joy in the results of her own actions and her own self. While I think that this theme holds true for the Art in general, I think the west wind (by virtue of being more future-looking) could provide for more introspection when it comes to this aspect of her personality.

Raydom · Jul 1, 2020

[X] The warm western wind, herald of spring (enhances Avoid effects of art)

BeepSmile · Jul 1, 2020

[X] the gentle eastern wind, unnoticed by all (enhances stealth effects of art)

BungieONI · Jul 1, 2020

picklepikkl said:
It's not just a mobility art:

Plus, of the techs it has, Zephyr's Mocking Escape is heavily defensive, Breeze in the Vault is stealth-focused, and Sable Crescent Step no-sells an attack (or lets you step in to deliver an attack even harder, but I think we've only ever used that feature like once).

There are definitely valid reasons to prefer one, but I don't think it's reasonable to say that LFWT is "only" a mobility art, therefore "only" the mobility option will not weaken it.

Also the idea that any of these will weaken it is downright kinda bizzare.

NoxOfUmbra said:
The stealth part of the art is weaker than the other parts by a rank (C to Bs), the fact that EMM will end this turn means that we are not going to have a dedicated stealth art beyond G3. Why are so many people putting that as an argument for not choosing stealth?

It's probably not going to stay at C rank as we level up LFWT. I am very much not worried about Ling Qi's stealth because we have a significant amount of derived Stealth and two arts working on it, one of them going beyond G3 that also comes from Great Spirits.

[X] The warm western wind, herald of spring (enhances Avoid effects of art)

Tendai25 · Jul 1, 2020

[X] The warm western wind, herald of spring (enhances Avoid effects of art)

RebelYell · Jul 1, 2020

There is also the thrill and delight of a successful Heist like with stealing Renshu's stuff
and just being outright pranksters to people such as that prank with FenFen sitting on Zhengui thinking he was a hill

ChronOblivion · Jul 1, 2020

[X] the gentle eastern wind, unnoticed by all (enhances stealth effects of art)

Hard choice, but upon reflection, Qi does more stealth shit than I was remembering, and it was a huge part of her role in our recent mission.

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