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[X] Plan: Peace, earth, and MAGIC
We Are the Gods of a New World Order [Warhammer 50K ~ Warp God Simulator]
- Thread starter Alectai
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- Sci-Fi Fantasy
[X] Plan: Peace, earth, and MAGIC
- Location
- Over the next hill.
I'm not going to argue about the mechanical benefits of elevating Connection. It would be great to just permanently add another bonus to all of our actions, but I have reservations about taking it narrative wise. If we elevate it, we are going to fundamentally change the way VM operates. It's true that we apply connection to a lot of our actions, but to permanently add it as a core domain would remove us of the choice of using it or not, even when we're in a situation where it's better not to use.
From the description, what I'm getting is that if we add it as a core domain we're basically going to be compelled to use Connection all the time. I don't want to do this. The reason we convinced the Space Marine's was because Dana chose to trust us, no VM interference there. If we add Connection, I'm worried some of the agency that our heros and followers have would be diminished which honestly is something I feel would lessen the fun of the quest.
The problem is, that some options are plainly not accessible to us without certain domains.
Examples:
We cannot have covens without sorcery.
We cannot plant corntatoes sustainably or create Evangelion equivalents without Earth.
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Sure, connection would apply to those domains, and yes in some circumstances a permanent Connection miracle could absolutely screw us over, you are correct.
That does not negate that the vast majority of the time its either a net neutral or a massive boost to our abilities on each and every bloody round, unlike merely gaining a couple of options early. Over all, I suspect that Elevating Connection will be an enormous benefit to our followers, as again, it means additional +20 minimum, to +50, or perhaps even more points to our actions each an every round, an effect that will only grow in usefulness as our cult grows larger.
Yes it is, Alectai already confirmed that's exactly what it does. Life doesn't because its the first and it allows us to take actions in the first place.
This is fair, it is indeed a trade off.
Do keep in mind that Sorcery is also a very dangerous power. Even with the calmed warp, there's still a lot that can go wrong. Just as Elevation gives a chance for critfails on some actions due to shoehorning it in where it shouldn't be, Sorcery gives a chance to critfail on all actions containing any
Sorcery also gives a chance for Miracles on
It was explicitly stated that it gives every action a favor token for Connection, a +10. The downsides are that it enables critfails where there shouldn't naturally be Connection, and the opportunity cost of not getting more domains. This was mentioned in the text and explicitly confirmed via discord.
Life doesn't give +10 because it's our first core domain, and as such is required to unlock any of the actions at all. Without any core domains, we're nut a warp god.
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No, Alectai did confirm that it would be a +10 on every action where Connection would help, which is most of them. That's the benefit of Elevating domains: significant increase in direct power. The cost is that you restrict your own capabilities, because it's required to shove that domain onto everything now.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Where did he confirm this? I don't remember it in the thread.
Confirmation was on discord, but it is heavily implied by the text "That Domain is invoked for free on every action that it applies to." And then mentions that it applies to everything now.... whether we want it to or not.
Edit:the exact quote is
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- Latvia, Riga
While I understand the need for Sorcery and the appeal of Elysium, we DO need to prepare for the inevitable attack, our own efforts to expand, etc.
[ ] Power of Tomorrow.
-[ ] Earth: The power of soil, stone, and everything in between. Mastery of Earth has great benefits in terraforming and drawing forth natural resources, it also augments your Weaving by allowing you to concentrate sufficient nutrients in one place to produce megaflora scale creatures.
-[ ] Expansion: Select two Associated Domains that you have previously passed up, the safe but boring choice.
--[ ] Sun
--[ ] Weather
Can someone explain why this is a bad idea?
[ ] Power of Tomorrow.
-[ ] Earth: The power of soil, stone, and everything in between. Mastery of Earth has great benefits in terraforming and drawing forth natural resources, it also augments your Weaving by allowing you to concentrate sufficient nutrients in one place to produce megaflora scale creatures.
-[ ] Expansion: Select two Associated Domains that you have previously passed up, the safe but boring choice.
--[ ] Sun
--[ ] Weather
Can someone explain why this is a bad idea?
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The lack of Sorcery is a big deal, especially since now we're at a level where we have Daemons for our followers to summon.
I do really love the Sun domain. The utility of Weather is less clear to me, though.
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People really want sorcery.
- Location
- Over the next hill.
Well it's not a bad idea. That plan would give us more domains to play with, but getting Elysium and Sorcery have their own benefits that also help with defense. Elysium protects our civilians and given that we've only just established control over a planet with a population of 10 million, every person is important. Sorcery lets our followers have better access to our domains. Up to this point, it's been only VM who's been able to enact her magic. Sorcery would let our followers access that.
- Location
- Over the next hill.
Weather would give us lightning and allow us to interdict planetary landings with massive storms. I guess it would also synergize with Earth to help with our growth.
Sorcery is kinda like a Swiss Army Knife in that it is probably one of the most things with the wide range of abilities.
Sorcery is a huge power multiplier as soon as we have enough followers and/or access to daemons, something we have now, since they can invoke our domains themselves, that should make something akin to lesser miracles possible without us directly investing in it (One possibility is that this pesky mortal limit on crits could go away).
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Jack-o'-Lantern
Local Shitposter
- Location
- Hell
[X] Plan: Peace, earth, and MAGIC
- Location
- Latvia, Riga
One word: Necrons.
By accessing this we could more easily work with Necrontyr lightning tech and all it's associated derivatives.
ok, that.. clarifies some details
And we absolutely need to take Earth, though what I read from comments about Elysium (though reasonable) sounds like trauma
aka we messed up, and now we overcompensate
[ ] Something Different.
-[ ] Earth: The power of soil, stone, and everything in between. Mastery of Earth has great benefits in terraforming and drawing forth natural resources, it also augments your Weaving by allowing you to concentrate sufficient nutrients in one place to produce megaflora scale creatures.
-[ ] Expansion: Select two Associated Domains that you have previously passed up, the safe but boring choice.
--[ ] Sun
--[ ] Sorcery
The last plan idea, make of it what you will.
Or, y'know, we could get the Elevation and invoke the domain everywhere automatically anyway. We definitely want either Sorcery or Elevation since both provide significantly increased miracle chances, but it seems like Sorcery might require hero actions to count whereas Elevation happens everywhere. Both introduce a chance for critfails though.
Still, the vote's pretty obviously lopsided. Let us hope the larger toolbox is worth losing raw power and guaranteed boosts.
Ekzentric Lohner
I miss Wildstar...
[X] Plan Paradise
-[X] Elysium
-[X] Expansion: Select two Associated Domains that you have previously passed up, the safe but boring choice.
--[X] Earth
--[X] Weather
Sun is tempting, but Elysium is so shiny.
This gives us control of everything on planet that counts as "natural" and guarantees safety for non-combatants. I'm also reluctant to add the possibility of Critical Fail outcomes that Sorcery would give us.
It's probably too late to stop the Peace+Earth+Magic plan, but I have to suggest it...
Approval vote:
[X] Plan Earth, Sun, and Elysium
-[X] Elysium
-[X] Expansion: Select two Associated Domains that you have previously passed up, the safe but boring choice.
--[X] Earth
--[X] Weather
Sun is tempting, but Elysium is so shiny.
This gives us control of everything on planet that counts as "natural" and guarantees safety for non-combatants. I'm also reluctant to add the possibility of Critical Fail outcomes that Sorcery would give us.
It's probably too late to stop the Peace+Earth+Magic plan, but I have to suggest it...
Approval vote:
[X] Plan Earth, Sun, and Elysium
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[X] Plan: Peace, earth, and MAGIC.