Mhm.
I think the template should be CR+4, or CR+3 at the very least, @DragonParadox.

Whole it isn't as strong in traditional dnd-sense sense, it has way too many abilities tailor-made for the job we are about to put the creatures with it on.

CR+2 doesn't really cut it for something that:
Can cast quickened Dim. Anchor, greater teleport and Planeshift regardless of the base creature it is put on with CL of 20,
attack every enemy in 100-feet radius every 4 rounds with 1d6+1 Con damage eyebeamz,
having the constant effect of the much-beloved rings of sustenance on them,
double the base creature's speed, bonus armor, free Gaze attack
and ignoring every etherealness-like effect there is.
 
Mhm.
I think the template should be CR+4, or CR+3 at the very least, @DragonParadox.

Whole it isn't as strong in traditional dnd-sense sense, it has way too many abilities tailor-made for the job we are about to put the creatures with it on.

CR+2 doesn't really cut it for something that:
Can cast quickened Dim. Anchor, greater teleport and Planeshift regardless of the base creature it is put on with CL of 20,
attack every enemy in 100-feet radius every 4 rounds with 1d6+1 Con damage eyebeamz,
having the constant effect of the much-beloved rings of sustenance on them,
double the base creature's speed, bonus armor, free Gaze attack
and ignoring every etherealness-like effect there is.
At a minimum, regardless of CR adjustment, I would limit the Greater Teleport and Plane Shift to self only plus no more than 50 pounds of cargo, like Outsiders who have at will travel SLAs.
 
Mhm.
I think the template should be CR+4, or CR+3 at the very least, @DragonParadox.

Whole it isn't as strong in traditional dnd-sense sense, it has way too many abilities tailor-made for the job we are about to put the creatures with it on.

CR+2 doesn't really cut it for something that:
Can cast quickened Dim. Anchor, greater teleport and Planeshift regardless of the base creature it is put on with CL of 20,
attack every enemy in 100-feet radius every 4 rounds with 1d6+1 Con damage eyebeamz,
having the constant effect of the much-beloved rings of sustenance on them,
double the base creature's speed, bonus armor, free Gaze attack
and ignoring every etherealness-like effect there is.

You make a fair point, but I'm not sure how fair it would be to increase the CR after you guys have already researched it, plus I'm not even sure you will b using it in large enough numbers for one more CR to make a real difference in your budget either way. It's probably best to leave this one as is and be more careful of template CRs in he future.

At a minimum, regardless of CR adjustment, I would limit the Greater Teleport and Plane Shift to self only plus no more than 50 pounds of cargo, like Outsiders who have at will travel SLAs.

Very good point. Easy teleportation is... not the best for my world-building for reasons I have pointed out before. Making the change.
 
plus I'm not even sure you will b using it in large enough numbers for one more CR to make a real difference in your budget either way.
Oh, trust me, we will be.
:V

But, all else aside, it's my OCD playing up now, compounded by SoD screaming out that "the templet 2 stronk!"
 
You make a fair point, but I'm not sure how fair it would be to increase the CR after you guys have already researched it, plus I'm not even sure you will b using it in large enough numbers for one more CR to make a real difference in your budget either way. It's probably best to leave this one as is and be more careful of template CRs in he future.

Very good point. Easy teleportation is... not the best for my world-building for reasons I have pointed out before. Making the change.
The +2 CR adjustment is pretty light, but there are a couple caveats I would add to keep it from being too ridiculous. I think ruling that it is not compatible with spellcasting templates would help a lot, along with requiring a minimum number of HD. The first prevents us from pulling off insane synergy due to the templates inherent abilities and boosted attributes and the latter means we can churn out thousands of overpowered CR 3 Watchmen servitors.
 
The +2 CR adjustment is pretty light, but there are a couple caveats I would add to keep it from being too ridiculous. I think ruling that it is not compatible with spellcasting templates would help a lot, along with requiring a minimum number of HD. The first prevents us from pulling off insane synergy due to the templates inherent abilities and boosted attributes and the latter means we can churn out thousands of overpowered CR 3 Watchmen servitors.

Rules for Watchmen:
  1. Teleport like Outsiders
  2. No spell-casting
  3. Needs 6 HD to be applied (Glint was special because Vee hand crafted him)
I think that should be a good way to limit spamming it increasing the CR (which I do not think would be that much of aissue for you gys to handle anyway as the realm grows more prosperous).

Oh, trust me, we will be.
:V

But, all else aside, it's my OCD playing up now, compounded by SoD screaming out that "the templet 2 stronk!"

Does the above seem good for you SoD-wise?
 
First, the Xor plushie was cute as hell and this quest has given even more that I could have asked for.

Second, why not use Seeker bio-constructs? They pass as normal silent people, but become perfect guards with this template
 
On the slave trade topic from earlier; we go have an option to free people without trying to start shit on Heaven's Shore or paying into the system. Our own disguise this time around involved forgettable captains who are likely involved in the slave trade as independents. We could move some forces up to the area of the plane they mostly settle around and free loads of slaves in what would look like completely normal pirate activity.

More of a resource investment, but it'd also work as a way to get some information about trade and the plane outside of Heaven's Shore in general.

It wouldn't even be hard to move back and forth once we scout it out. Just equip a ship to match the environment, load the crew in, then use Planar Navigation to pull them over all at once. Let then operate for awhile, then pick up anyone who wants to take a chance working in the hidden harbor of their saviors in a large group the same way.
 
"'Twas a fair enough choice to keep going through the barrows and old places instead of letting Them stake a claim when men were gone from the vale," Alyssa says after a moment. "Though I wish the First Men had more sense than to bury away all manner of treasures to molder in the dark."

Danar nods firmly. "You bury roots and carrots for winter, not treasures none but the dead know of."

"Well then, you will be glad to know I am not planning any barrows or tombs filled with treasure,"

Wouldn't it be true that both culturally and practically both the Barrows and the Treasure are linked in their relation to the Other?

Like, they didn't just chuck weapons in a cemetery, they put weapons in a purposefully designed secure containment facility built against the very same threat the weapons were.

It seems far more reasonable in that context.
 
Planar piracy might not be a bad go.
Just think of all the rich pirates with no real backing that we can loot while freeing slaves at the same time. Plus, killing slavers then freeing their victims and looting all their stuff is the Imperium's oldest tradition.

I'm pretty sure the only way to be more imperial is if you burn everything you can't take with you and celebrate after by sacrificing demons in/to a public garden.

Can Viserys even call himself a proper Citizen if he doesn't at least make an attempt to catch a ship full of slaving pirates when the opportunity presents itself? :V
 
Interlude DCCCXXV: Precipice
Precipice

Tenth Day of the First Month 294 AC

Naath, Laboratory of Wyla Drekelis

There was,
Wyla admired, a certain irony to her current work. She who had once walked gleefully in death and supped upon the blood of the living like wine, she who had turned her back reluctantly from that path now on the hunt for a way to drown out the madness and the hunger, to draw from that howling vortex some semblance of sanity and order. Maybe I could have my wings back, the part of her that remembered flying free upon the night wind, that was once the cold and chocking mist that heralded death to so many, whispered between the rustle of parchment and the pained gasps of her test subjects.

"My lady, I see... I see..." one manged to force out through gritted teeth. They were all volunteers, paid more for a few weeks of admittedly painful experimentation than they would otherwise see in their whole lives, and no one would walk out of her laboratory with any permanent scars. They would not even have to walk out with the memories, though few of her test subjects took her up on that offer.

"Cut the feed," Wyla sighed. Arcane runes carved into the pale limestone fell into quintessence and lines of dark fire faded. It had not taken Wyla long to realize that it was not exposure to the energies of unlife which created undesirable feedback loops. Feed them yes, sustain them like a thorn bush watered with blood, but the seed of madness lay elsewhere, in the very moment of transposition, what Dario, may daemons of his foul goddess feast upon his soul, called True Birth.

Wyla needed thus to replicate that moment as best she was able in living minds, to then study the memories of the events, the fleeting dreams of darkness the fire of unlife left behind in fleshy forms.

"I saw myself withering from within and there were worms growing under my skin, pale and black and filled with old blood, they burst out of my skin writhing and writhing..." the young man recounted to the scratching writing of her little golden assistant. "They wanted... they wanted to gnaw on me up forever and ever, to eat the world..."

Again that phrasing. The power almost seemed disappointed when none of the volunteers actually died and rose again, but Wyla knew enough of both magic and the tricks one's mind could play on one to understand that was anthropomorphizing it. The dark fire did not want to drive people mad anymore than water wanted to sink a ship when it seeped between the planks.

Wyla Drekelis, a daughter of Braavos, knew something of how to handle water in the bilges, you build a pump.

***​

Twenty Sixth Day of the First Month 294 AC

The skeleton exploded with a blast of balefire and a shower of bone fragments and molten lead. "A little too energetic for a pump," Wyla sniffed dramatically to cut the tension and fear behind the hardened glasteel. Most of the other mages present had not even been in proper battle, much less faced the perils of magical experimentation.

"Maybe we should have tried it on something more intelligent," one of the bolder mages interjected. "The balance of the animus would be different..."

"And if your guess would be wrong you would have to explain to Lady Lya how and why it was you who ripped a thinking soul apart," Wyla cut the girl off. "Well, that is if you were lucky. If you were not you would be explaining it to the King."

The silence that followed spoke louder than words.

"Log, experimental report one sixteen, catastrophic loss of integrity," she narrated for the diligent calligraphy wyrm taking all this down. "You can handle the resonance tests, I will be checking the auguries..."

Stabilization of sentient Undead progress 20/30

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what Dario, may daemons of his foul goddess feast upon his soul,
Question on that, did we ever find out how tightly Vampires' souls are really bound to their body?

Meaning, does he right now exist trapped within his spread-out ashes, unable to do anything about it, or did his soul move on to his final reward/punishment in Abbadon after his physical destruction?

[X] Reforging Anew the Secrets Lost
 
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Question on that, did we ever find out how tightly Vampires' souls are really bound to their body?

Meaning, does he right now exist trapped within his spread-out ashes, unable to do anything about it, or did his soul move on to his final reward/punishment in Abbadon after his physical destruction?

Wyla divined that a long time ago, he has long sine left this mortal plane to whatever fate awaited him.
 
Hey @DragonParadox, will we get another "Alinor finds things to do with research prototypes to balance the budgets" interlude?
Because I'm sure either Malarys or Garin's departements would be willing to spend some of their budgets to buy this off the R&D people. Or we could sell it in the City of Brass. Forget waterboarding, what Wyla just built here is possibly the ultimate agonizing torture device.

I hope we're paying those test subjects very well, at least, because this is just crazy. "More money than they would see in their lives" could be anything from, say, 100 IM (multiple times the yearly earnings of a skilled artisan, IIRC, and likely enough to life someone out of poverty if they aren't completely stupid with it) to 1 IM (which is still more than a beggar would ever have all at once, but isn't much for soul-torture).
I mean, paying people to consent to this stuff is arguably just preying on the poor and dispossessed. I was reassured by the details showing that we're doing it for actual medical reasons and that we're minimizing risks to them as much as possible. There's a line between valid medical testing and horrifying torture, and I hope we don't end up casually crossing it.
 
Precipice

Tenth Day of the First Month 294 AC

Naath, Laboratory of Wyla Drekelis

There was,
Wyla admitted, a certain irony to her current work. She who had once walked gleefully in death and supped upon the blood of the living like wine, she who had turned her back reluctantly from that path, now on the hunt for a way to drown out the madness and the hunger, to draw from that howling vortex some semblance of sanity and order. Maybe I could have my wings back, the part of her that remembered flying free upon the night wind, that which was once the cold and choking mist that heralded death to so many whispered between the rustle of parchment and the pained gasps of her test subjects.

"My lady I see... I see..." one manged to force out through gritted teeth. They were all volunteers, paid more for a few weeks of admittedly painful experimentation than they would otherwise see in their lives and no one would walk out of her laboratory with any permanent scars. They would not even have to walk out with the memories, though few of the test subjects took her up on that offer.

"Cut the feed," Wyla sighed. Arcane runes carved into the pale limestone fell into quiescence and lines of dark fire faded. It had not taken Wyla long to realize that it was not exposure to the energies of unlife which created undesirable feedback loops. Feed them yes, sustain them, like a thorn bush watered with blood, but the seed of madness lay elsewhere, in the very moment of transposition. It was what Dario, may daemons of his foul goddess feast upon his soul, called True Birth.

Wyla thus needed to replicate that moment as best she was able in living minds, to then study the memories of the events, the fleeting dreams of darkness, the fire of unlife left behind in fleshy forms.

"I saw myself withering from within and there were worms growing under my skin, pale and black and filled with old blood, they burst out of my skin, withering and writhing..." the young man recounted to the scratching writing of her little golden assistant. "They wanted... they wanted to gnaw me up forever and ever, to eat the world..."

Again that phrasing. The power almost seemed disappointed when none of the volunteers actually died and rose again, but Wyla knew enough of both magic and the tricks one's mind could play on one to understand that was anthropomorphizing the phenomenon. The dark fire did not want to drive people mad anymore than water wanted to sink a ship when it seeped between the planks.

Wyla Drekelis, a daughter of Braavos, knew something of how to handle water in the bilges, you build a pump.

***​

Twenty Sixth Day of the First Month 294 AC

The skeleton exploded with a blast of balefire and a shower of bone fragments and molten lead. "A little too energetic for a pump," Wyla sniffed dramatically, to cut the tension and fear behind the hardened glassteel. Most of the other mages present had not even been in proper battle, much less faced the perils of magical experimentation.

"Maybe we should have tried it on something more intelligent," one of the bolder mages interjected. "The balance of the animus would be different..."

"And if your guess was be wrong you would have to explain to Lady Lya how and why it was you ripped a thinking soul apart," Wyla cut the girl off. "Well, that is if you were lucky. If you were not, you would be explaining it to the king."

The silence that followed spoke louder than words.

"Log, experimental report one sixteen, catastrophic loss of integrity," she narrated for the diligent calligraphy wyrm taking all this down. "You can handle the resonance tests, I will be checking the auguries..."

Stabilization of sentient Undead progress 20/30

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OOC: Yes, Wyla built a near-death-and-reanimation device to study the process of mental alteration that comes with becoming undead and figure out how to compensate. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
 
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Hey @DragonParadox, will we get another "Alinor finds things to do with research prototypes to balance the budgets" interlude?
Because I'm sure either Malarys or Garin's departements would be willing to spend some of their budgets to buy this off the R&D people. Or we could sell it in the City of Brass. Forget waterboarding, what Wyla just built here is possibly the ultimate agonizing torture device.

I hope we're paying those test subjects very well, at least, because this is just crazy. "More money than they would see in their lives" could be anything from, say, 100 IM (multiple times the yearly earnings of a skilled artisan, IIRC, and likely enough to life someone out of poverty if they aren't completely stupid with it) to 1 IM (which is still more than a beggar would ever have all at once, but isn't much for soul-torture).
I mean, paying people to consent to this stuff is arguably just preying on the poor and dispossessed. I was reassured by the details showing that we're doing it for actual medical reasons and that we're minimizing risks to them as much as possible. There's a line between valid medical testing and horrifying torture, and I hope we don't end up casually crossing it.
  1. They are getting 200 IM each
  2. As for a torture device, it would be very niche, both the Lawmen and the inquisition have mind reading
 
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