That's fair, I didn't realize that he specified all of conjuration. I would point out that Door of Decay seems like it only fits in the school because it involves moving around. The targeting mechanism and working medium are significantly different from pretty much every every other teleport spell in the school.
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Well, let's see how this pans out for us.
Well, let's see how this pans out for us.
It's not like regular teleportation allows for an intercept either, despite the fact that you can go to the astral plane and look around. I'm not saying it has to work and we should totally do it, but it's worth looking into before we write it off as impossible or too dangerous to use based on assumptions.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Huh, that's a new one to me. I don't see us making use of it any time soon, if ever, but it's definitely worth keeping in mind as a possible tool in our toolbox.
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- Germany
Has been mentioned before.
I joked about it as a method of visiting Wyla, back when she was a Vampire.
Jumping out of her would have been a nice effect.
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Part MMMDL: The Devils You Know
The Devils You Know
Twenty Fifth Day of the First Month 294 AC
"I succeeded. I will play my part and participate in the interrogation. I only ask you to allow me to negotiate for the knowledge later," you send mentally to Heronious even as you graciously nod to the priest of Asmodeus. You are curious about what the handmaiden devil knows and even more interested in seeing if you can build a rapport with one of Malphas' lieutenants.
There is only a moment's silence in your mind followed by the oracle devil's soft voice, answering with a warning you had not expected. "Avoid any practical experience offered. They can read the shadow of your mind from the prisoner's thoughts, even warded."
When Iradious smoothly dispels your amber binding around the handmaiden devil you watch with wary interest as chains swiftly spring from the chair unbidden to shackle not only her hands but also the writhing tendrils bellow her waist and even those upon her brow. The prisoner is frozen utterly and without recall. The spell he wields is familiar from your own interrogations or Tyene's for that matter, mind-walking.
"Tsk... tsk..." the devil hisses, forked tongue slipping between sharpened teeth. "The Lord General will not be pleased at this unholy alliance. A letter shall have to be sent, perhaps something more strongly worded. A patrol in force will be dispatched to ensure that the sage's property is not compromised." A laugh passes his lips, cold and sharp. "She has some truly outlandish notions about those who attended the auction, that the mage in crimson was an agent of Asmodeus in truth and he would aid her together with the servant of Mammon in a fight, that the wind-binder was not there to bid but a thief waiting for her chance to claim the prize yet outplayed by her own attempt. And of course about you..."
Silence falls for a moment as Iradious's words trail off, then the question you had been expecting and in no small measure dreading. "Would you like to have a look for yourself?"
His gaze meets yours very carefully indeed. A test if you have ever seen it, but of what? If you would be so foolish as to give them undue clues about your nature and goals, if you know or do not know that they have means to obtain information from the aftermath of interrogation? Or ha Heronious lied for his own reasons, seeking to keep you from interrogating the prisoner yourself or seeking to drive a wedge between yourself and the garrison.
Perhaps you could attempt a spoken interrogation, curses and bindings of truth. You could claim a lack of knowledge in mind magics, but if Heronious had not lied would that perhaps give away that you know more about Iradious's intent than you aught to?
What do you reply?
[] Agree to interrogate the prisoner
-[] Mentally
-[] With Circle of Truth
[] Refuse to interrogate the prisoner
[] Write in
OOC: Really short unfortunately, but it can't be helped given the break point.
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- Argentina
Okay.
How could we even begin to prove that this is something that could actually happen?
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- United States
We have this: Abadar's Truthtelling
@DragonParadox, would this be enough to continue the interrogation without undue risk?
Right now? Not much. Later we can test this by taking a volunteer into the god warded room and probing their brain while someone sitting in the room with us (Dany or Lya most likely) tries to divine what the subject can perceive about Viserys from the spell.
For the moment I don't think Circle of Truth would expose us to a substantial risk, since it doesn't involve interfacing directly with the subject's mind. Alternatively, if we want to be really sure we could use major curse to make it hard for her to lie, then threaten her with something like Shattered Self if we catch her successfully resisting it.
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- Argentina
This is a lie. Of course she doesn't know shit about who we are, because we just created this persona. The interrogator is baiting us into looking at her mind. He is trying to bait us, thinking that we would be prideful and thinking about what she thought.
But this is all bullshit, so I'd rather make her tell us about what she actually thinks, loudly if possible. I'm trusting Heronious if only because we have enough leverage already, and if he wanted someone he trusted to deliver this Gylou he could have told one of his other friends. This Gylou doesn't have information the Oracle doesn't want we (or the Devils) to hear.
[X] Agree to interrogate the prisoner
-[X] Use Greater curse to reduce her wisdom to 1
-[X] Use simple Suggestion to maker her spill all that she knows. "I see that you have been clearly misguided. Surely if you cooperate and tell us the whole truth there will be a consideration for the crimes you were tricked into committing"
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
Ooh, I found somtehing neat to deal with things that can evade "can't lie"-effect of Zone of Truth and whom we can't really pick the mind of for one reason or the other.
Not certain this is the one to use here, not least of all b/c we have a... bit too much of damage-dice thanks to our CL, to swarm the Devil with questions using this. I guess we can undercast, or something?
At the very least, it allows to see very clearly if the entity's lying.
Not certain this is the one to use here, not least of all b/c we have a... bit too much of damage-dice thanks to our CL, to swarm the Devil with questions using this. I guess we can undercast, or something?
Maybe add something asking for vague permission to ensure her truthfulness first? He expects us to use mind magic, but we could get in legal trouble for causing permanent harm to a prisoner. However, it wouldn't be our fault if he misinterpreted what we're asking and approved more than he meant to.
Also, we should start being more careful with our interrogations. Maybe we could get some plant creatures with our mind spells as SLAs, then use the spell slots we would have used buffing them up to probe people for us.
edit: wait, we've already shown ourselves to be a summoner of great power, and our broad access to spells is both unusual and noteworthy. We should use a summoning spell instead, since it will fit our behavior so far and avoid tipping our hand to devils in a room specifically designed to help them gather information. We could be under observation from almost anything, including fancy dedicated enchantments that we can't yet see.
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Risk of mental echoes, sure, though it might arouse suspicions
It's a lvl 2 spell so you can under-cast it as though yyou were a level four sorcerer yes
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Trouble for using suggestion? It is harmless, unless there is something that prevented her from telling the truth.
Also we have no authority to issue any kind of penalty, so we are not making any promises. Suggestion just means that we need to phrase it so that it is believable. If they want to give her the maximum penalty that's fine because we can't promise anything on their behalf.
EDIT: any summon that can use Brain Spider or similar?
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Trouble for using major curse to reduce her wisdom to one. It's reversible, but with magic so is a lobotomy. It wouldn't be unusual to see them treated roughly the same way, and even if this guy is allowed to abuse prisoners under the law we probably aren't. Something like cursing her to be incapable of lying (or rather need a will save for it) might be fine, but now that I think on it we should probably use a less permanent spell.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
[X] Agree to interrogate the prisoner
-[X] Use Abdar's Truthtelling and Confess spells as necessary to learn things.
-[X] We are interested in who it's employer are, whom it serves overall, if it had any allies in this venture, what was it's target, what was it's plan, what it (thought) it knew of the auction attendees, etc.
This feels more in line with what devils would see an interrogation, if mental magics aren't used, but neither is outright torture, imo.
-[X] Use Abdar's Truthtelling and Confess spells as necessary to learn things.
-[X] We are interested in who it's employer are, whom it serves overall, if it had any allies in this venture, what was it's target, what was it's plan, what it (thought) it knew of the auction attendees, etc.
This feels more in line with what devils would see an interrogation, if mental magics aren't used, but neither is outright torture, imo.
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He just violated her mind. If there is a law for that, and considering that he just offered us to let it do it, then he would be breaking it by inviting us to break it.
@DragonParadox, do we know of any legal problems to use greater curses to interrogate?
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[X] Agree to interrogate the prisoner
-[X] Use Abdar's Truthtelling and Confess spells as necessary to learn things.
-[X] We are interested in who it's employer are, whom it serves overall, if it had any allies in this venture, what was it's target, what was it's plan, what it (thought) it knew of the auction attendees, etc.
-[X] Use Abdar's Truthtelling and Confess spells as necessary to learn things.
-[X] We are interested in who it's employer are, whom it serves overall, if it had any allies in this venture, what was it's target, what was it's plan, what it (thought) it knew of the auction attendees, etc.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Made a few more edits, DP.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
[X] Agree to interrogate the prisoner
-[X] Use Abdar's Truthtelling and Confess spells as necessary to learn things.
-[X] We are interested in who it's employer are, whom it serves overall, if it had any allies in this venture, what was it's target, what was it's plan, what it (thought) it knew of the auction attendees, etc.
I honestly don't see how it's suspicious that we don't know mind magics. Sometimes mages are blunter instruments.
-[X] Use Abdar's Truthtelling and Confess spells as necessary to learn things.
-[X] We are interested in who it's employer are, whom it serves overall, if it had any allies in this venture, what was it's target, what was it's plan, what it (thought) it knew of the auction attendees, etc.
I honestly don't see how it's suspicious that we don't know mind magics. Sometimes mages are blunter instruments.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
*cough* except we are using Bloodwish to cast these spells as well, so it wouldn't take a genius to see that we'd be able to cast Mind magics as well *cough*
Wait.
Does our fake identity here even allow for casting Bloodwish?
@DragonParadox, ah need some of the IC-insight on this.
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- Argentina
No, this is a Valyrian thing.
That's why I'd rather go for somehting that only has a couple of castings. We can squander two wishes, but not one for every question.