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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Adhoc vote count started by egoo on Jun 2, 2020 at 9:20 AM, finished with 24 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] Plan Compliance Is Expected
    -[X] Explain to him that you are not blind to the acts of the Mad King, or their repercussions at the time and since then on both your own family and others. It is vital to be aware of these things to put them into their proper historic and political perspective, which in turn is vital to learning from them to facilitate your own rule. He certainly understands the importance of this.
    -[X] Explain further to him that you are saddened to hear about the strife between his house and his neighbors. Such disunity and bad blood is undesirable at the best of times, and these are hardly the best of times.
    -[X] Explain the thread of the Fey, the Far North, the Illithid, the Devils and so on.
    -[X] Thus, it is quiet evident that these times are dire and the realm is at war with all these threats who would seek it enslaved. Or worse. Strife and disunity are dangerous in such times. They are the weapon of the enemy, seeking to weaken mankind. After all, what worth is an army when the knights and the nobles squabble among themselves instead of standing united against a common enemy.
    -[X] He will certainly understand that, given the prosperity granted to clever and loyal lords through Imperial favor in the times to come will gravely outweigh the grudges of ages past. After all, unity is paramount and you will do what is necessary to ensure that unity.
    [X] A more nuanced approach
    -[X] Before we take this conversation any further, explain in detail just what the Court of Stars would make of the Reach so that he might judge clearly whether he wishes to bind his House's fortunes to them.
    --[X] Admit that while we are not privy to the details of his grievances against Houses Byrch, Follard, or Longwaters, we find it hard to place vengeance against them ahead of the continued well being and free will of the people of the Reach. Try to convince him to set aside his grudges. While it may sound trite, being the bigger man in this instance is the best course of action for all involved.
    ---[X] Although House Byrch and House Follard are no friends of yours, the same cannot be said of the Longwaters. If Leygood feels that he absolutely must pursue his agenda against Byrch and Follard, we will not make an issue of it, at least in the time remaining before we retake Westeros, but doing so will not earn himself or his House any favors in the years to come.
    ---[X] The Longwaters, however, are off limits. We cannot afford to have our allies fighting among themselves, not when the Court of Stars threatens to reduce entirety of the Reach to an endless puppet show.
    -[X] Leygood has much to gain by swearing himself to you, as have many other lords. We hope that he will make the best decision for both himself and the people for whose safety he is responsible.
    [X] House Byrch and House Follard are no friends of yours, you would be willing to see to it that he gets some of his restitution from them so long as he drops all pretenses against the Longwaters
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@DragonParadox, when will the Merling King's daughter have an answer for us in regards to the deal to make a Water Elemental forge in his temple, without oversight on our mages, in exchange for Flesh Forging a Divine Herald for him? IIRC the thread already came up with a proposal but we're waiting on her to show up with her father's answer.
 
Duesal said:
Sorry @egoo, I also don't get this one.

This is World of Warcraft, right? I always wondered why the elves' ears are so freakishly big.
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That's the first of many fails that faced the latest expansion of WoW.

The character, Sylvanas Windrunner, has been gutted and remade into a Mary Sue for purposes of storytelling... and became an (un)living meme at that.
This picture is from a cinematic, where she does an extremely insensible thing as a general, but a veeeeery flashy way of showing how Evil Morally Grey™ she is to the playerbase.



(Meme'd part at 3.16)
 
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Jack vile Ripper said:
So many.... time travels...
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Eeeeeh.
WoD was a travesty, but a relatively self-contained in terms of continuity for the game.
It didn't spawn a new timeline for the players to inhabit, or anything just... weirdly affected the existing one. Ghul'dan (starting Legion expansion) and Mag'har allied race exempt.

All the other stuff was self-contained too, iirc.
Time-loops in Caverns of TIme and Chromie scenario are just that, self-contained shitshows of Infinite Dragonflight trying to break the timeline because they in the past knew that the future them will try to break the timeline.

I really want to try and find the Time Flayers in-quest eventually, though.
Not a guarantee they even exist, but DP saying "You don't know of them, but they'd be extremely rare and require some very specific stuff to summon" isn't a denial to their existence either...
 
Me, an intellectual: "Yes, committing numerous war crimes and atrocities is extremely morally grey."

Sylvanas: "BURN IT!"
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jun 2, 2020 at 11:36 AM, finished with 41 posts and 17 votes.
  • [X] Plan Compliance Is Expected
    -[X] Explain to him that you are not blind to the acts of the Mad King, or their repercussions at the time and since then on both your own family and others. It is vital to be aware of these things to put them into their proper historic and political perspective, which in turn is vital to learning from them to facilitate your own rule. He certainly understands the importance of this.
    -[X] Explain further to him that you are saddened to hear about the strife between his house and his neighbors. Such disunity and bad blood is undesirable at the best of times, and these are hardly the best of times.
    -[X] Explain the thread of the Fey, the Far North, the Illithid, the Devils and so on.
    -[X] Thus, it is quiet evident that these times are dire and the realm is at war with all these threats who would seek it enslaved. Or worse. Strife and disunity are dangerous in such times. They are the weapon of the enemy, seeking to weaken mankind. After all, what worth is an army when the knights and the nobles squabble among themselves instead of standing united against a common enemy.
    -[X] He will certainly understand that, given the prosperity granted to clever and loyal lords through Imperial favor in the times to come will gravely outweigh the grudges of ages past. After all, unity is paramount and you will do what is necessary to ensure that unity.
    [X] A more nuanced approach
    -[X] Before we take this conversation any further, explain in detail just what the Court of Stars would make of the Reach so that he might judge clearly whether he wishes to bind his House's fortunes to them.
    --[X] Admit that while we are not privy to the details of his grievances against Houses Byrch, Follard, or Longwaters, we find it hard to place vengeance against them ahead of the continued well being and free will of the people of the Reach. Try to convince him to set aside his grudges. While it may sound trite, being the bigger man in this instance is the best course of action for all involved.
    ---[X] Although House Byrch and House Follard are no friends of yours, the same cannot be said of the Longwaters. If Leygood feels that he absolutely must pursue his agenda against Byrch and Follard, we will not make an issue of it, at least in the time remaining before we retake Westeros, but doing so will not earn himself or his House any favors in the years to come.
    ---[X] The Longwaters, however, are off limits. We cannot afford to have our allies fighting among themselves, not when the Court of Stars threatens to reduce entirety of the Reach to an endless puppet show.
    -[X] Leygood has much to gain by swearing himself to you, as have many other lords. We hope that he will make the best decision for both himself and the people for whose safety he is responsible.
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Part MMMDXXVII: Weighing Pledges
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    Twenty Second Day of the First Month 294 AC

    You consider the matter a long moment. Almost you are tempted to tell him he can continue his feud with those Houses that are aligned against you as long as he leaves the Longwaters be, but that would be poor precedent, not to mention a waste of those who would better serve the cause of sanity fighting the horrors of the depths not their fellow man, to judge from what you had seen in the tavern.

    "I am not blind to my father's acts in his later years and their effects both upon my own House and others," you reply, drawing a look of growing surprise from the lord. "Sooner would I place them in my proper context to aid me to rule justly and with wisdom than lash out blindly against those who chose to rebel against him, or bend the knee to said rebels. There will be a reckoning, but it shall be no simple tally of sins I would have made as a boy."

    "That is a fine thought Your Grace, fine indeed, but I fear the craven bastards won't thank you for it save to bite the hands that feeds them," he replies, trying to get back on firmer footing.

    "Perhaps that is so, perhaps not. The First Men had a saying which the Skagosi still recall," you tilt your head towards Danar. "'Even Greenseers cannot witness all ends.' It seems wise not to anticipate the choices of others in ill will." You pause a long moment. "I am saddened, my lord, to hear of the strife between your House house and those of your neighbors. Such disunity serves men ill at the best of times, and these are hardly the best of times. "

    You speak then of the danger to the north, of that which lingers in the depths of the sea, of devils and other fiends and at last of the Court of Stars which would make all the world a stage and mortals the poor mummers upon it.

    Though the Lord of Horse Hill grows paler with each telling, not all the tidings new to him but never recounted in quite such a manner you suspect, as soon as you mention the Court of Stars his cheeks grow flushed once more. "Wait just a moment here Your Grace, I think you place in poor company the Court and its Queen who have done much to protect us from those who would make bowls of our skulls to drink our living brains. I would myself be dead or worse than dead at the hands of some eye-gouging horror if one of their knights had not only found me just in time and slain the beasts. They traded with me fairly for armor to guard me against sorcery and gave fair counsel on where to find a sword the Leygoods of old bore."

    "And for that you don't mind dancing to their tune?" Alyssa asked incredulously. "Better than death and slavery of the foulest sort, but hardly better than living your life as men were intended to, growing and changing."

    "This would be growth too of a sort at least," the lord returns. "More magic and strange ways, but the world would not be worse for knights keeping to their oaths more closely or men knowing when evil reaches towards the edges of their settlements." He turns to you with a sigh. "You bring change even as the Star-Crowned did, promising a better, safer future, but they came first and they dealt fairly with me. It leaves a bitter taste in my mouth to think of breaking my pact with them honestly made because I might like your offer better."

    What do you reply?

    [] Point out that the change the fey bring is illusory and behind it is stasis that would bind him away from the best abilities of mortal minds, their creativity

    [] To be found by the Court of Stars narrative is to trust their Queen far more than what a lord may ask his bannermen, it is compulsion of the mind and spirit however subtle

    [] Write in

    OOC: Not quite as smooth riding here as with Lord Costayne, this guy actually likes the Court of Stars because they have been very helpful both to him personally and his fief.
     
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    DragonParadox said:
    Weighing Pledges ​

    Twenty Second Day of the First Month 294 AC

    You consider the matter a long moment. Almost you are tempted to tell him he can continue his feud with those Houses that are aligned against you as long as he leaves the Longwaters be, but that would be poor precedent, not to mention a waste of those who would better serve the cause of sanity fighting the horrors of the depths rather than their fellow man, to judge from what you had seen in the tavern.

    "I am not blind to my father's acts in his later years and their effects both upon my own House and others," you reply, drawing a look of growing surprise from the lord. "Sooner would I place them in my proper context to aid me, to rule justly and with wisdom, than lash out blindly against those who chose to rebel against him, or bend the knee to said rebels. There will be a reckoning, but it shall be no simple tally of sins I would have made as a boy."

    "That is a fine thought, Your Grace, fine indeed, but I fear the craven bastards won't thank you fotha , save to bite the hands that feeds them," he replies, trying to get back on firmer footing.

    "Perhaps that is so, perhaps not. The First Men had a saying which the Skagosi still recall," You tilt your head towards Danar. "Even Greenseers cannot witness all ends. It seems wise not to anticipate the choices of others in ill." You pause a long moment. "I am saddened, my lord, to hear of the strife between your House house and those of your neighbors. Such disunity serves men poorly at the best of times, and these are hardly the best of times. "

    You speak then of the danger to the north, of that which lingers in the depths of the sea, of devils and other fiends, and at last of the Court of Stars which would make all the world a stage and mortals the poor mummers upon it.

    Although the Lord of Horse Hill grows paler with each telling, not all the tidings new to him, but never recounted in such a manner, you suspect. As soon as you mention the Court of Stars his cheeks grow flushed once more. "Wait just a moment here, Your Grace. I think you place in poor company the Court and its Queen who have done much to protect us from those who would make bowls of our skulls to drink our living brains. I would myself be dead or worse than dead at the hands of some eye-gouging horror if one of their knights had not only found me just in time, but also slain the beasts. They traded with me fairly for armor to guard me against sorcery and gave fair counsel on where to find a sword the Leygoods of old bore."

    "And for that you don't mind dancing to their tune?" Alyssa asked increduliously. "Better than death and slavery of the foulest sort, but hardly better than living your life as men were intended to, growing and changing."

    "This too would be growth of a sort, at least," the lord returns. "More magic and strange ways, but the world would not be worse for knights keeping to their oaths more closely or men knowing when evil reaches towards the edges of their settlements." He turns to you with a sigh. "You bring change even as the Star-Crowned did, promising a better, safer future, but they came first and they dealt fairly with me. It leaves a bitter taste in my mouth to think of breaking my pact with them honestly made because I might like your offer better."

    What do you reply?

    [] Point out that the change the fey bring is illusory and behind it is stasis that would bind him away from the best abilities of mortal minds, their creativity.

    [] To be bound by the narrative of the Court of Stars is to trust their Queen far more than what a lord may ask his bannermen, it is compulsion of the mind and spirit however subtle.

    [] Write in

    OOC: Not quite as smooth riding here as with Lord Costayne, this guy actually likes the Court of Stars, because they have been very helpful both to him personally and his fief. Not yet edited.
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    Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
     
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