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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Azel said:
Thing is, for a measly 2,250 IM we could spam Permanent Teleportation Circles, with all the bedlam that would cause.

How about making linked mirrors 6m / 20ft. across from Mythral plated Imperial Steel. Reach up to 3.2 km / 2 miles and only affecting a living creature and up to 50 pounds of carried items?

Costwise I'd say 8,000 IM in materials and 2,000 IM crafting. That's about the througput and price of a two-lane Teleport Circle loop, while limiting the amount of setting breaking.
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I would rather use Create Greater Demiplane to establish a transit hub for the city. That would cost 4,500 IM to render Permanent.

Then each portal Gate we wish to establish would cost another 4,500 IM to render Permanent. They could be placed strategically throughout the city and local environs, then pedestrians could simply walk through one portal, make their way through the hub, and out of the portal nearest to their destination. The hub could have shops and restaurants, plus a dedicated Inquisition surveillance station to track the movements of the populace. The transit hub could be easily expanded as the city grows and the populace increases.

Portal entrances could be monitored with Spontaneous Search stations and it would be a simple matter of selling passes to use the transit hub for various lengths of time (day, week, month, annual).
 
Goldfish said:
I would rather use Create Greater Demiplane to establish a transit hub for the city. That would cost 4,500 IM to render Permanent.

Then each portal Gate we wish to establish would cost another 4,500 IM to render Permanent. They could be placed strategically throughout the city and local environs, then pedestrians could simply walk through one portal, make their way through the hub, and out of the portal nearest to their destination. The hub could have shops and restaurants, plus a dedicated Inquisition surveillance station to track the movements of the populace. The transit hub could be easily expanded as the city grows and the populace increases.

Portal entrances could be monitored with Spontaneous Search stations and it would be a simple matter of selling passes to use the transit hub for various lengths of time (day, week, month, annual).
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Please stop trying to break the setting with Gate cheese... The ramifications of this are far too great.
 
Azel said:
Because you are inserting a huge gap into the system by having them skip multiple councils to sit straight in the penultimate level. This is the equivalent of just straight away giving a coal lobbyist a vote in the federal legislative.
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Wait, about what level of lordship are we talking here?

Not an entire province I think?
 
Azel said:
Might as well have the Moonchaser do a fly-by at tree level for how subtle this would be.

... is "date rape night" really a valid option for this ... ?
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It would not be quite that bad, anyone who did not want to participate could stay inside, behind wards of cold iron and salt.

Azel said:
@DragonParadox, what about making their holy places baronies in their own right?
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Yes, though they would ask for rights to appeal directly to the crown in matters of magic without going through the normal audience process. They don't trust the local lords to understand their concerns when it comes to the magical landscape.
 
DragonParadox said:
It would not be quite that bad, anyone who did not want to participate could stay inside, behind wards of cold iron and salt.
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... please read this again and think very carefully about what you are implying here ...

DragonParadox said:
Yes, though they would ask for rights to appeal directly to the crown in matters of magic without going through the normal audience process. They don't trust the local lords to understand their concerns when it comes to the magical landscape.
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That's the Scholariums job though.
 
Azel said:
Ducal level. So about the scale of Pentos, Myr or half of Dorne.
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Still, even those should propably have a representative for the Fey in their area.

And if we are talking about so large and area, it means there is guaranteed to be a proper mage in the council and likely that the lord is either someone with a decent level, or has people with a decent level in his retinue.
So they wouldn't be outmatched in social combat like some local yokels might be.

This does still not seem bad to me.
 
DragonParadox said:
It would not be quite that bad, anyone who did not want to participate could stay inside, behind wards of cold iron and salt.
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"If you don't want to get raped, just stay home!"
Not a good look.

There are many, many reasons for someone who isn't into the idea of mind-altering magic + sex to be outside on that date. A traveller who doesn't know what they're walking into, a child or someone mentally handicapped, someone who has to be out for work and simply hoped to get home quick enough (but failed), etc...
I'm against it on principle, anyway. It's hard to tell our Scholarium mages not to use mind-control to seduce random people if we let the Fey do it three times a year!

Crake said:
Hm, I guess we're back to real rail stations with locomotives then. Kind of boring from our perspective, TBH, I mean I'm sure it's fucking amazing and magical-seeming to the average Planetosian and even Planar people would be impressed, but we have that IRL.

Oh well.
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1: How dare you shit-talk our beautiful trains? Trains are amazing and you should admit it! I literally work in a train planning authority right now. Shit-talk the way we run our trains, but don't shit-talk trains themselves! Think of all the cool fight scenes our PCs will be able to have on trains! The heists! The convenience for the people!
2: I was under the impression that you were American. So no, you don't already have a good train system IRL. How can you call it boring, when it's literally a utopia in most countries?
3: We're far from inventing steam trains, but we're quite close to inventing magical convoys focusing on making a single transport spell (flight? Antigrav? Weight reduction? Shrink item?) work on as many carriages as possible. So we'll probably have magitech trains and not just normal trains, anyway.
4: We don't even have a proper road system across most of our Imperium. Trains are not for tomorrow just yet.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
1: How dare you shit-talk our beautiful trains? Trains are amazing and you should admit it! I literally work in a train planning authority right now. Shit-talk the way we run our trains, but don't shit-talk trains themselves! Think of all the cool fight scenes our PCs will be able to have on trains! The heists! The convenience for the people!
2: I was under the impression that you were American. So no, you don't already have a good train system IRL. How can you call it boring, when it's literally a utopia in most countries?
3: We're far from inventing steam trains, but we're quite close to inventing magical convoys focusing on making a single transport spell (flight? Antigrav? Weight reduction? Shrink item?) work on as many carriages as possible. So we'll probably have magitech trains and not just normal trains, anyway.
4: We don't even have a proper road system across most of our Imperium. Trains are not for tomorrow just yet.
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3. We are pretty close actually. The Bulabar have been slaving on this offscreen of a year IC.
4. We have the highways though, so we can service major cities from Braavos to SD to Tolos easily.
 
@DragonParadox, as an alternative to this:
-[] Feast of the fey (obligation to arrange wide scale festivities at least three times per year during which the fey enchantments will influence mortals to lower their inhibitions)
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What if there was instead a roaming Fey festival, one which is allowed to travel throughout the region on a semi-regular schedule, perhaps setting up in a new location every month or two, where the partying is full bore, Fey enchantments and all, but only for those revelers who willingly enter a thoroughly demarcated area? Basically, on one side of the line you're safe from Fey shenanigans but on the other it's open season on mortals (within previously established limits, of course). The party would only need to stop while they were traveling to the next festival site.

There would be no need for mortals to hide in their homes for fear of Fey trickery. We could attach one or two Heralds to the festival as Imperial observers, if necessary.

This could actually be a boon for the region, bringing entertainers (both Fey and mortal alike), tourists, and commerce to areas that normally do not benefit from such.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
"If you don't want to get raped, just stay home!"
Not a good look.

There are many, many reasons for someone who isn't into the idea of mind-altering magic + sex to be outside on that date. A traveller who doesn't know what they're walking into, a child or someone mentally handicapped, someone who has to be out for work and simply hoped to get home quick enough (but failed), etc...
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You could probably also work out wearable tokens to exclude people from the magic. As long as most mortald do not choose to wear them the satyrs will not hold you responsible for the boring people.
 
[X] Draft contracts (50,000 IM)
-[X] You will recognise the sacred places of the Fey as their own baronies, with the local Fey ruler receiving the title.
-[X] This implies that the Fey need to maintain their own council and can send some of their members to the county level council as per the Imperial constitution. If they want to be represented at higher levels, they need to be elected in the regular process.
-[X] All Scholarium branches in the Imperium will have to create an office that deals with the concerns of the Fey in their area. Preferably this office will be staffed by Fey who are actively involved in the Scholarium themselves.
-[X] All matters that concern the life and limb of Fey, such as rulings for feeding on mortals, unforeseen magical events or similar urgent matters can be escalated directly to the Crown by Fey barons or the Scholariums Fey liaisons.
 
Goldfish said:
@DragonParadox, as an alternative to this:

What if there was instead a roaming Fey festival, one which is allowed to travel throughout the region on a semi-regular schedule, perhaps setting up in a new location every month or two, where the partying is full bore, Fey enchantments and all, but only for those revelers who willingly enter a thoroughly demarcated area? Basically, on one side of the line you're safe from Fey shenanigans but on the other it's open season on mortals (within previously established limits, of course). The party would only need to stop while they were traveling to the next festival site.

There would be no need for mortals to hide in their homes for fear of Fey trickery. We could attach one or two Heralds to the festival as Imperial observers, if necessary.

This could actually be a boon for the region, bringing entertainers (both Fey and mortal alike), tourists, and commerce to areas that normally do not benefit from such.
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That is posibile in theory, but you would need to get more mercantile fey involved somehow. They fey of the wildwood are not the best with those sorts of explicit exchanges.
 
DragonParadox said:
It would not be quite that bad, anyone who did not want to participate could stay inside, behind wards of cold iron and salt.
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Requiring people to stay inside behinds wards to avoid it is a little much, if they get to have it, it shouldn't happen in the villages, it should happen outside it, where you choose whether to go to the party or not, as opposed to being mind whammied, if you forgot to put up a salt circle.

We can make them some giant festival tents, so they can set up a big party quickly, but they shouldn't get to bring it into the villages, any such things should be on an opt in basic, not on an opt out basic, such mind effecting things are only okay, if people have to actively opt in to get effected.
 
DragonParadox said:
That is posibile in theory, but you would need to get more mercantile fey involved somehow. They fey of the wildwood are not the best with those sorts of explicit exchanges.
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We have a Fey contract maker on speed dial, and the numerous mercantile fey in Lys to talk up reliability of service (which is the concern for Fey, apparently, since you kind of routinely point out for however tricksome Fey are, they are wary of Mortals' spectacular ability to lie outright).

Even though this should only really confound fey without adequate skillranks in Sense Motive... which anyone who has any business creating a deal or making an exchange would likely have to high levels. It just tells me that most minor fey are impulsive idiots who don't like making concession payments for hiring a local negotiator.
 
[X] Azel

Sounds fine from a representative standpoint. Educating people more about how nature works is also something Fae can actively work towards.
 
DragonParadox said:
You could probably also work out wearable tokens to exclude people from the magic. As long as most mortald do not choose to wear them the satyrs will not hold you responsible for the boring people.
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And that there is the problem, they don't get to make this an opt out thing, if they get to do this, it will be as an opt in thing, where only people who actively choose to come to them participate.

Them having big parties with inhibition lowering magic is okay, provided only people who want to experience such things get involved, which mean if tokens were involved, they shouldn't mark who isn't participating, they should mark who is participating.

An alternative is holding the party outside of the villages and towns, clearly marking the space where the party is happening, and having it so only people who choose to walk into the party get effected.
 
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