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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Look we already said we wouldn't be killing any kids, even specifically Robert Arryn to Yohn Royce when asked point blank about it.

For a variety of reasons.

I'm ambivalent on the plan to murder Brynden Tully, because he's not truly relevant, thus I don't think really deserving of murder. But it's not like I want to headhunt him for our collection either.

But no one is killing kids. As far as I know, Azel has just stated his oft repeated lack of concern with child murder.

Which, concerning, but whatever.

He's not trying to get anyone to bandwagon for it.
 
Shador said:
Him being a kid or not doesn't affect our plans though? It's not like we're planning to kill him or something, just remove him from the line of succesion.
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Yep. Stripped of his lands, stripped of his titles. Unlike the Lannisters, he has the opportunity to work his way up in the Imperium after the conquest, but he definitely won't rule the Eyrie or the Vale.
 
DragonParadox said:
OK guys I feel like I should chine in, it would be quite out of character for Viserys to kill a child. I'm not going to pretend he is a moral person, but he does have lines he will not cross, certainly not on a whim.
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I feel like people are repeatedly misunderstanding the plan. It isn't to kill Lysa and Robin Arryn, it's to kill the Blackfish, make it seem like his men attacked Lysa and Robin out of vengeance, and then having the Arryns disappear and leaving the Vale to fight in chaos as they accuse each other. The kid would be captured but unharmed, and later stripped of any lands and titles.

We mostly need the Blackfish dead to get him out of the way so we can depose House Arryn.
 
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Duesal said:
I feel like people are repeatedly misunderstanding the plan. It isn't to kill Lysa and Robin Arryn, it's to kill the Blackfish, make it seem like his men attacked Lysa and Robin out of vengeance, and then having the Arryns disappear and leaving the Vale to fight in chaos as they accuse each other. The kid would be captured but unharmed, and later stripped of any lands and titles.
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I get that, I'm just making the character's lines clear because as @Azel pointed out some months ago I had a bad habit of letting Viserys be too malleable to player input which made his character change from one moment to the next.
 
@Azel, I don't particularly care if the Blackfish survives, but I think we should either try to capture him and replace him with a Fleshforged corpse, keeping him in a Smoky Confinement bottle on a shelf in the anti-Divinatiom room of the Shadow Tower in the meantime, or at least taking a piece of his corpse for potential Resurrection later. It may become politically expedient later on for him to survive or be Resurrectable. He is the son of a Lord Paramount (for however long that will last), after all, and his sister is married to the Lord of the North. That's a not insignificant bargaining chip.

[X] Azel
 
Goldfish said:
@Azel, I don't particularly care if the Blackfish survives, but I think we should either try to capture him and replace him with a Fleshforged corpse, keeping him in a Smoky Confinement bottle on a shelf in the anti-Divinatiom room of the Shadow Tower in the meantime, or at least taking a piece of his corpse for potential Resurrection later. It may become politically expedient later on for him to survive or be Resurrectable. He is the son of a Lord Paramount (for however long that will last), after all, and his sister is married to the Lord of the North.to

[X] Azel
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He's actually the brother of Lord Paramount Hoster Tully, uncle to Edmure Tully, Catelyn Stark, and Lysa Arryn.

He's old. Not Frey levels of old, but still old.
 
@Azel Could you consider to investigate who exactly was that Lysa made a bargain with before putting any sort of scheme in motion? I feel that trying to interfere with the busines of a fey court when we don't know what resources they can call upon is something that can bite us in the ass.
 
Goldfish said:
@Azel, I don't particularly care if the Blackfish survives, but I think we should either try to capture him and replace him with a Fleshforged corpse, keeping him in a Smoky Confinement bottle on a shelf in the anti-Divinatiom room of the Shadow Tower in the meantime, or at least taking a piece of his corpse for potential Resurrection later. It may become politically expedient later on for him to survive or be Resurrectable. He is the son of a Lord Paramount (for however long that will last), after all, and his sister is married to the Lord of the North. That's a not insignificant bargaining chip.

[X] Azel
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If the fake!Other's servant kills him, blood alone will be enough to try and rezz.

...Or to put an anti-resurrection Curse on him for the time we want him out of the picture, because that would be very much Other-like.
Hey, @Azel, how about putting a Rest Eternal on the good dead fish here? Would make the ruse extra-convincing.
You place a curse upon a dead creature that bars its spirit from returning. Anyone casting a spell that would communicate with the dead creature, return it to life, or turn it into an undead creature must succeed on a caster level check with a DC of 11 plus your caster level. Rest eternal cannot be dispelled, but it can be negated with remove curse or break enchantment.
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egoo said:
If the fake!Other's servant kills him, blood alone will be enough to try and rezz.

...Or to put an anti-resurrection Curse on him for the time we want him out of the picture, because that would be very much Other-like.
Hey, @Azel, how about putting a Rest Eternal on the good dead fish here? Would make the ruse extra-convincing.
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We have no asset there that could cast this spell.

Also, I'm not going to change my plan anymore before someone claims I've snuck in to burn down an orphanage and to snort the ashes.
 
Azel said:
We have no asset there that could cast this spell.

Also, I'm not going to change my plan anymore before someone claims I've snuck in to burn down an orphanage and to snort the ashes.
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I think we could technically imbue someone with the spell-
But whatever, I can relate to the butthurt aggreviation, so you do you.
 
Duesal said:
He's actually the brother of Lord Paramount Hoster Tully, uncle to Edmure Tully, Catelyn Stark, and Lysa Arryn.

He's old. Not Frey levels of old, but still old.
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Curse my poor ASOIAF lore and bad memory. :oops:
Azel said:
We have no asset there that could cast this spell.

Also, I'm not going to change my plan anymore before someone claims I've snuck in to burn down an orphanage and to snort the ashes.
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You really need to cut back on the orphan ash habit, dude. That's a Dragon you'll never be able to catch, and orphans aren't quite the renewable resource they once were.
 
Azel said:
Hm... I'm strongly inclined to get Brynden killed in an ambush. Then we can use his decimated knights as cats paws to get rid of Lisa and her son, leaving the Vale without a heir and a de facto civil war splitting the remaining loyalists.
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Why tho, we literally have no need for a civil war. We are invading in a month or two. The civil war would just weaken the assets we are going to own in a little while anyway, why risk a weaker kingdom when we can just take them with less damage
 
Acolyte said:
Why tho, we literally have no need for a civil war. We are invading in a month or two. The civil war would just weaken the assets we are going to own in a little while anyway, why risk a weaker kingdom when we can just take them with less damage
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It's to clear out the ones who would oppose us. The ones this plan targets are Arryn loyalists, and House Arryn is going to be deposed and stripped of their lands and titles. Obviously this would cause the Arryn loyalists to protest, so we're much better off if they fight among themselves before we take over.
 
@Azel, your plan doesn't include the next set of questions to ask Bloodraven.

With the Vale section down, I would like to move on to the King's Landing section.
 
Azel said:
Hm... I'm strongly inclined to get Brynden killed in an ambush. Then we can use his decimated knights as cats paws to get rid of Lisa and her son, leaving the Vale without a heir and a de facto civil war splitting the remaining loyalists.
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Duesal said:
Yeah, he's definitely a problem. As long as he's alive he's going to stand in the way of us deposing his niece and grand-nephew.
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Expose his grand-nephew as not being his grand-nephew anymore and rather a Dark Fae wearing the child's body as a meat suit and he'll be on our side pretty quick.
 
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