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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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I'm kinda hoping someone made a play for Rhaella while we were occupied with Lord Hightower. That would be a truly unfortunate encounter for the assailants, considering what her entourage currently consists of.
 
065tdsa said:
I can't help but feel we should tell lord Hightower what we know about the Citadel and the conspiracy in it. He just seems too confident of his grasp on what the Maesters get up to, and I think he may experience a very unpleasant surprise at one point. Being informed of the sheer depth of what he's unaware of should instill some caution.

On the flipside, we really don't want them to know exactly how much we know, so maybe don't tell him all we know?
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At this point I get the impression that Lord Baelor has less hold over Citadel politics than even we do. The only way it would make sense to clue him in to how deep the rot goes would be if we were prepared to act on it. Otherwise the knowledge does him no good, other than to make him extremely guarded against the organization if he believes us, or want to conduct his own investigations to confirm if what we're saying is the truth (though we're credible enough to get him to believe that at least some Maesters are willing to assassinate lords and send spies into Sorcerer's Deep to enchant other people and incite conflict).

His public support to conduct our own investigations once we are in control of the city out in the open would be a fait accompli however, forcing the Maesters to action if they want to preserve their assets, rather than painting us as the aggressor.

But only if we're prepared to act. We just don't know enough about the internal structures of Citadel politics to know what to do yet.
 
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[X] Crake

If it is possible we could try to gain a master to our side and have he go and copy down the books at the citadel. That way when the conspiracy tries to do a book burning we already have the loot secured.
 
Speed53066 said:
[X] Crake

If it is possible we could try to gain a master to our side and have he go and copy down the books at the citadel. That way when the conspiracy tries to do a book burning we already have the loot secured.
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Short answer: No.

Longer answer: It would be possible to get some of them... but incredibly suspicious without the right amount of magic involved. And I suspect that most of the rare books, the ones that would result in a loss of knowledge, the ones that have not been copied into some Lord's library at some point, would be inaccessible to all but specific people in the Citadel, who definitely would have their access of each book under scrutiny for the very reason that the Maesters of various factions do not want those books to be copied or ever leave the Citadel, it threatens their monopoly on specialist knowledge.

Also... honestly, with how compressed our timeline is, I do not know how much we will get to act against the Citadel before they force us into making a choice on how to respond to them. I think the most we'll get to do is learn who hates us for sure, and whether it's for a reason we would kill them over, or if they are the troublesome kind of enemy that we are trying not to kill. Those kinds of enemies tend to pop up whenever we head west.
 
So I have a question. Could we not set aside a bunch of blood sacrifices and in exchange use Yss' boon to protect the knowledge of the Citadel? Maybe even just a boon to turn all books in the citadel to that Hardness thing we did with the Pamphlets. That way the books are difficult to destroy and we can move with some impunity.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
So I have a question. Could we not set aside a bunch of blood sacrifices and in exchange use Yss' boon to protect the knowledge of the Citadel? Maybe even just a boon to turn all books in the citadel to that Hardness thing we did with the Pamphlets. That way the books are difficult to destroy and we can move with some impunity.
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Keep in mind we have a ritual to bring back burned books. If it comes to the worst case scenario and the Maesters start burning books to spite us we could restore the Citadel's libraries and claim them by right of conquest.
 
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Keep in mind we have a ritual to bring back burned books. If it comes to the worst case scenario and the Maesters start burning books to spite us we could restore the Citadel's libraries and claim them by right of conquest.
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Ideally, I would want to have them infiltrated to the point that we can take out the conspirators in a single swoop. We may need to send in an infiltrator creature.
 
I sincerely doubt the Maesters, even the ones with magic powers, would have unanimous support from other Maesters with magic powers, in the burning of knowledge simply out of spite.

As in, that's an act that could split even the entire Maester Conspiracy straight down the middle, with half turning on themselves in order to save the lore they are trying to destroy.

And at its core, I don't think many would do it, not unless they don't give a shit about the Citadel's mission statement in the least and are only in it for power and influence. The way I see it, it would be physically painful for most of the nerds who wear a chain to even contemplate the act.
 
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One Autumn Leaf said:
Ideally, I would want to have them infiltrated to the point that we can take out the conspirators in a single swoop. We may need to send in an infiltrator creature.
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Definitely not disputing that, only problem is all the other things taking our attention. Things should clear up a bit once Asmodeus' plots in Slaver's Bay are properly dealt with.

On the other hand i bet Myrkdreki would love to poke around the Citadel if we gave them the tools for it.
 
Well, if anyone could reverse the massive book-burning via a supercahrged ritual of ours, that'd be Yss and R'hlor, and sacrifices we have aplenty.
We really shouldn't worry about losing some knowledge to a fire, accidental or not.
 
I don't think there is significant risk of a widespread book burning, since there's not really much to gain from doing so for anyone in the Citadel.

What they will definitely try to get rid of though are any documents proving their activities.
 
I think if the worst a member of the Conspiracy chooses to do is eliminate the evidence and retire into a life of solitude, we could count ourselves lucky, but seeing as how we know they exist and won't hire any into an important institution without extensive vetting, I think it is safe to say audacity will be the calling card, that and manipulating other Maesters into acting against us indirectly with those manipulated being unaware of why they are doing what they are doing, or not wholly aware of why, at any rate. We don't really know how many assets the conspiracy actually possesses to be honest, but with thousands of years to collect magic and knowledge, probably enough to pose a threat.
 
Crake said:
I think if the worst a member of the Conspiracy chooses to do is eliminate the evidence and retire into a life of solitude, we could count ourselves lucky, but seeing as how we know they exist and won't hire any into an important institution without extensive vetting, I think it is safe to say audacity will be the calling card, that and manipulating other Maesters into acting against us indirectly with those manipulated being unaware of why they are doing what they are doing, or not wholly aware of why, at any rate. We don't really know how many assets the conspiracy actually possesses to be honest, but with thousands of years to collect magic and knowledge, probably enough to pose a threat.
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Keep in mind that one of the conspiracies was actively trying to destroy magic itself, so they might have far fewer resources then their age and reach would imply. It's ultimately a rather self-defeating movement.
 
Azel said:
Keep in mind that one of the conspiracies was actively trying to destroy magic itself, so they might have far fewer resources then their age and reach would imply. It's ultimately a rather self-defeating movement.
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Maester: "We have completed the translation of the proto-Valyrian script etched into the staff, sir."

Archmaester: "And were our assumptions correct?"

Maester: "Indeed, sir. It is called a Staff of Power, which our records indicate is a rare tool capable of duplicating numerous magical effects."

Archmaester: "You and your fellows have done good work. See to it that the staff is destroyed immediately."

Maester: "At once, sir."

:o
 
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Maester: "We have completed the translation of the proto-Valyrian script etched into the staff, sir."

Archmaester: "And were our assumptions correct?"

Maester: "Indeed, sir. It is called a Staff of Power, which our records indicate is a rare tool capable of duplicating numerous magical effects."

Archmaester: "You and your fellows have done good work. See to it that the staff is destroyed immediately."

Maester: "At once, sir."

:o
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Don't we have one of those doohickies?
 
Talking about Staffs of Power, didn't the twin mages in the golden company have one?

I don't think we properly added that to our loot.
 
Crake said:
Don't we have one of those doohickies?
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Artemis1992 said:
Talking about Staffs of Power, didn't the twin mages in the golden company have one?

I don't think we properly added that to our loot.
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Yep, I just reminded myself of that and was going to bug @DragonParadox for its stats again.

Right now, all we know is that it can be teleported between at least two people and that it can be recharged like a Pathfinder staff, IIRC.
 
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