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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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egoo said:
True, but that's besides the point!
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I just really dont think she's had... any legend to get so far, not really.

The stuff we did when we saved her initially is 70% OGs, 25% us, and 5% her own will.
Since then she... socialized with Djinn, her father, a few other people, freezed some Efreeti on two-three separate boat-hunting occasions and she's now here.

The enemy may be well-firring thematically, but I don't feel like Rina has had anything significant enough done yet to get the "Legend-wrought power".
Least of all because she's not even Fey yet, if she was she'd kinda get an excuse for easier MTs.

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Duesal said:
I fully agree with all of this. If Rina gets a Mythic rank for this it'd feel really forced, @DragonParadox.
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Er... guys. I feel like you may have missed something:

DragonParadox said:
You do have a point this does echo Waymar's situation however that is one of the reasons she won't be getting a mythic rank. They are supposed to be unique and linked to the character's own growing legend. A duel fit Waymar, but it does not really fit Rina.

Don't worry though I have posibile steps planed out for her too.
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Whew, another family gathering completed. If my grandmother gets COVID-19, I'm going to blame my sister for insisting we visit and eat in her backyard.

@Crake, the Crone Queen is Undead, which means Destruction won't affect her at all.

DP said he would let us tailor Rina's spell loadout for this encounter, as it makes sense that she would have spells more appropriate for fighting Undead prepared while adventuring in the North. I'll have a plan ready shortly.
 
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Er... guys. I feel like you may have missed something:
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@DragonParadox, one of the big narrative issues is that you had thousands of pages before Mythic Ranks were implemented by you at all. Soloing an Ulitharid, Dany killing that first Tiamat avatar, slaying the Avatar of Mammon, etc. This equates to most of the core Companions already having accomplished legendary feat after legendary feat and basically having nothing but XP to show for it. While it's nice to see more Mythic tiers being gained in general, there is a cost to them being gained too easily, which is where our concerns are coming from. It invalidates the efforts of older companions still without Mythic ranks.

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Unfortunately we're going to have to leave it at two updates for today guys, it's late for me and combat is never straightforward to roll at this level. Better to wait for morning so I don't mess something up.
 
Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, one of the big narrative issues is that you had thousands of pages before Mythic Ranks were implemented by you at all. Soloing an Ulitharid, Dany killing that first Tiamat avatar, slaying the Avatar of Mammon, etc. This equates to most of the core Companions already having accomplished legendary feat after legendary feat and basically having nothing but XP to show for it. While it's nice to see more Mythic tiers being gained in general, there is a cost to them being gained too easily, which is where our concerns are coming from. It invalidates the efforts of older companions still without Mythic ranks.

[X] Goldfish
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Part of gaining Mythic ranks is building the weight of your legend, I think. If that is the case, a lot of those early successes would be establishing the foundation of what would become the legend which would then become the Mythic rank.
 
Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, one of the big narrative issues is that you had thousands of pages before Mythic Ranks were implemented by you at all. Soloing an Ulitharid, Dany killing that first Tiamat avatar, slaying the Avatar of Mammon, etc. This equates to most of the core Companions already having accomplished legendary feat after legendary feat and basically having nothing but XP to show for it. While it's nice to see more Mythic tiers being gained in general, there is a cost to them being gained too easily, which is where our concerns are coming from. It invalidates the efforts of older companions still without Mythic ranks.

[X] Goldfish
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but she Isn't gaining one? this respond doesn't make sense in this context. she isn't getting an easy MR so i don't know what this responce is meant as?
 
Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, one of the big narrative issues is that you had thousands of pages before Mythic Ranks were implemented by you at all. Soloing an Ulitharid, Dany killing that first Tiamat avatar, slaying the Avatar of Mammon, etc. This equates to most of the core Companions already having accomplished legendary feat after legendary feat and basically having nothing but XP to show for it. While it's nice to see more Mythic tiers being gained in general, there is a cost to them being gained too easily, which is where our concerns are coming from. It invalidates the efforts of older companions still without Mythic ranks.

[X] Goldfish
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And like with Dany the solution implemented is to hand them out more generously when they do get to their first now. I thought about giving Waymar two as well but Mammon felt a little too cooperative to assign a mythic rank just to him because he dealt the finishing blow.
 
I'd actually prefer to keep MRs both scarce and difficult to get.

They are, essentially, our chosen leveling method past level 20.
It'd only make sense for it to be as difficult to get one as it was throughout the entirety of the quest.

Tldr: @DragonParadox, pls no rewarding multiple MRs at once without truly world-shacking stuff, like killing the 15th/Bloodstone Emperor/Uniting all of Essos and Westeros under our banner/etc.
 
Goldfish said:
Part of gaining Mythic ranks is building the weight of your legend, I think. If that is the case, a lot of those early successes would be establishing the foundation of what would become the legend which would then become the Mythic rank.
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If that's the case it only lends more credence to the notion that older Companions should be getting their Mythic Ranks far before the newer ones. They've had more legendary battles, they're the ones who've built that foundations whereas the newer Companions are still building their foundations.
Rovos said:
but she Isn't gaining one? this respond doesn't make sense in this context. she isn't getting an easy MR so i don't know what this responce is meant as?
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Yes, Rovos, because I'm arguing against the notion of it. I am in fact aware Rina isn't getting a rank from this.
DragonParadox said:
And like with Dany the solution implemented is to hand them out more generously when they do get to their first now. I thought about giving Waymar two as well but Mammon felt a little too cooperative to assign a mythic rank just to him because he dealt the finishing blow.
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That may not work as a blanket solution. For older companions who've been with us for longer and fought all those battles it makes more sense, but for newer ones that generosity for gaining their first rank feels a bit sour. If we're doing it this way then I agree with the explanation that @Goldfish posited above, with Companions or others needing to spend that time building the foundation of their legend before they even begin to qualify.
 
Duesal said:
That may not work as a blanket solution. For older companions who've been with us for longer and fought all those battles it makes more sense, but for newer ones that generosity for gaining their first rank feels a bit sour. If we're doing it this way then I agree with the explanation that @Goldfish posited above, with Companions or others needing to spend that time building the foundation of their legend before they even begin to qualify.
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That makes sense too of course.

egoo said:
Tldr: @DragonParadox, pls no rewarding multiple MRs at once without truly world-shacking stuff, like killing the 15th/Bloodstone Emperor/Uniting all of Essos and Westeros under our banner/etc.
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Dany got 2 MR at once because I owed her one for Essaria before the system was implemented. Granting 2 at once for one event without any retroactive elements is practically impossible.
 
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Azel said:
Time even moves slower the deeper you go... you are on to something... 🤔
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A devil doesn't know how the breath of a Paradox Dragon works? That's new. And here I thought you are well aware of it after complaining about sidequests. Here's DP's quote:

Abilities of the Paradox Dragon:

Breath Weapon (Su): A paradox dragon has one breath weapon—a cone of lightning charged with temporal energy. Creatures within the cone must not only succeed at a Reflex save to take half damage from the lightning but also succeed at a Fortitude save or roll a 1d4 to gain or lose that many age categories.

Chronocide (Su): An opponent who loses or exceeds age categories inherent to it's race due to the paradox dragon's breath weapon vanishes, leaving not a trace. All memory of the victim similarly vanishes from the minds of those who knew of or met him as if he had never existed. All actions directly caused by the vanished individual are undone. He may not be raised, resurrected, or otherwise restored, even by means of a wish.

Paradoxical Existence (Su): An opponent erased by the breath of a paradox dragon becomes an entity capable of being summoned by the dragon who killed it. It retains all skills, spells, equipment, levels, and items upon the moment of erasure. This summoning acts as Summon Monster V and works once per day.

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Sorry DP, just rereading some old chapters and boredom struck. So here's your Balefire!
 
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This isn't your average everyday ordinary shitposting... this is advanced shitposting.
 
I also think that this fight is far too narratively unimportant for a Mythic rank.
Giving it our now would cheapen everything.
Retroactively giving ranks only makes sense if it's done after a thematically important and even more epic battle.
 
I wonder how Vee is gonna get her mythic rank. She doesn't really have a legend or story, she's just part of the group.
 
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enigma1995 said:
I wonder how Vee is gonna get her mythic rank.
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Plenty of different avenues. Summon spamming in an epic battle, tinkering in the Forges, or feeding something special to the gods.

Garin's got a good shot at his first rank in countering Asmodeus in Slaver's Bay, and I wouldn't be surprised if Maelor and Malarys got close in the City of Brass infiltration.
 
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