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The Westerosi Giants are basically Mythic Engineering that rivals even Brandon the Builder dangling in front of us, taunting us.
One day we will unlock it and build mega-fortresses.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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The Westerosi Giants are basically Mythic Engineering that rivals even Brandon the Builder dangling in front of us, taunting us.
One day we will unlock it and build mega-fortresses.
KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
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Don't we have a frost giant from Armun Kelisk working for us?
Wonder if he knows anything about his regressed cousins?
Wonder if he knows anything about his regressed cousins?
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I am definitely interested in poking him about this when we get back.
I have the suspicion Westerosi Giants are going to be a big blank spot in Planar Giant history.
Vote closed.
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probebly not since the cloud castles were from cloud and storm giants. i feel in this case it was more literal since DP said: "the dragons knew they were abroud cloud castles and all that" but who knows what happened to them with the fading of magic, maybe the giants decided to land the castles and repurpace them. who knows maybe we will find one to the west where that expidition is heading and we know one of the coatl is
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Things get twisted in retelling so I wouldn't count on it. If Forgotten Realm type cloud castles were a thing, we would have seen some in the PoA by now.
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we know about the cloud giants and their cloud castles due to our Ancestral memory tho not a retelling of it?
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I distinctly don't remember any of that though. When did that happen?
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Duesal : DragonParadox, what does Viserys remember of the bygone war between Dragons and Giants?
DP: *rolls*
Well the giants didn't die... and he remembers storm and cloud giants being abroad in the world, cloud castles and all. These were beings the dragons respected.
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Just to be clear you do not see enough to be 100% sure if they are actual flying fortresses and the mechanics of Valyrian wind ships make it seem at best very difficult to build one on the material plane
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the way you worded it was what made me think that: remembers cloud and storm giants being abroad in the world, cloud castles and all. makes it very much sound like it was certainly a flying or at least floating castles about way back when.
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Isn't the capital of the Djinn basically a flying island (Or a lot of them build together)?
Yeah that was a confusing way to word it, sorry about that.
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Yeah, but the PoA has subjective gravity. Making things float there is the same as making things fall down to the ground in the PoB.
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True.
But once you have architecture to make functional floating castles, it shouldn't be too difficult to actually make them float.
Basically, after working through all necessary secondary requirements (structure, sensible defences, usable ports, etc.), I can't see an upscaled Levitation as the big hinderance.
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Scaling is a problem though. There are a lot of spells that would be a lot more awesome if they were just a piddly 10,000 times stronger.
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Honestly, that seems like something rituals and loads of materials can propably solve.
We know from Darleth's excercise in fortress-building for us that a lot of things can be scaled up.
We know from the various Genies that you can make really big structures fly (like oversized ships).
Combining that and you can propably make fortresses fly, even if it takes a lot of money and a few dozen Elder Air Elementals.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Armun Kelisk is the center of Djinn civilization and trade in the Plane of Air, but the Plane is infinite and we've not actually explored it at all. We've seen quite a bit of the Planes of Earth, Fire, and Water, but our adventures in the Plane of Air haven't extended beyond the borders of the city.
Storm Giants are unlike most species of Giant in that they tend to form actual functioning societies. With their innate power, ability to cooperate with one another, and with infinite space allowing them to settle wherever they wish without fear of clashing with other powerful creatures, there could easily be one or more significant Storm Giant polities on the Plane of Air which we've never heard of, let alone had a chance to run across.
There is plenty of lore in D&D settings that describes the existence of Cloud Castles or Palaces, we just haven't seen one yet.
And there is this nifty artifact which would be a neat bit of loot if we ever found it.
Storm Giants are unlike most species of Giant in that they tend to form actual functioning societies. With their innate power, ability to cooperate with one another, and with infinite space allowing them to settle wherever they wish without fear of clashing with other powerful creatures, there could easily be one or more significant Storm Giant polities on the Plane of Air which we've never heard of, let alone had a chance to run across.
There is plenty of lore in D&D settings that describes the existence of Cloud Castles or Palaces, we just haven't seen one yet.
And there is this nifty artifact which would be a neat bit of loot if we ever found it.
DND magic is flexible enough to make a lot of things possible, but that doesn't necessarily make them practical. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that rituals to make a city float exist, but the expense, logistical issues, and defensive vulnerabilities would likely make them uncommon.
If you can build a flying castle, why not use the same resources to build a dozen ships that actually take advantage of the ability to fly instead of carrying around a building that is mostly wasted? For a flying city the risk of falling would be uncomfortable, and managing travel would be a pain. Someone would always be getting moved away from their trading partners/family members/religious sites/etc. and complaining about it.
Highly centralized nomadic cultures would be most comfortable (and likely to produce) such an environment, but why would they want to stop and build anything like what we picture when thinking about a flying city?
It'd take a really specific set of circumstances to make building stuff like this desirable, even for a society where it's practical to do so. It's probably happened at least a few times in the infinite planes, but not in anything like statistically significant levels.
The update is unfortunately going to be a bit late guys. I just read up on some of the stupid things happening in my country with regards to the quarantine (which is de facto unenforceable right now thanks to a decision of the Constitutional Court). I'm afraid things are going to get really bad soon and that's not exactly helping me write.
Still I need to distract myself somehow, so I'm ging to keep trying to write.
Still I need to distract myself somehow, so I'm ging to keep trying to write.