@Crake, @egoo, so basically the Magewrights are trained just like any other class.
I will add them to the spreadsheet during the First Month of the next year (next month) then. If I add them now they will be counted for this month, and not the First Month of the next year.

Edit : so there is stuff to add before the end of month Scholarium update (new teachers, etc), and then tuff to add before the end of next month (Magewrights).
Well I am currently busy IRL and haven't been very active in the thread, but it will definitely happen by then. Just probably not in the next 48 hours.
 
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@Crake, @egoo, so basically the Magewrights are trained just like any other class.
I will add them to the spreadsheet during the First Month of the next year (next month) then. If I add them now they will be counted for this month, and not the First Month of the next year.
How soon until we start training those runelore masters? We only recently got the class from poking around First Men barrows, so I don't expect it right away, but where does that fit in with the curriculum?
 
How soon until we start training those runelore masters? We only recently got the class from poking around First Men barrows, so I don't expect it right away, but where does that fit in with the curriculum?
I thought that it was a PrC ? PrCs can't really be trained like weak magelings just yet. They're left for DP to give to exceptional magelings as we meet them (generally, they tend to have not insignificant jobs in some of our more dangerous institutions).

Edit: part of why updating the sheets is long is because I have to go, find and reread stuff like this. I don't remember the details right now, so I could be wrong.
 
I like Azel's plan, but I think we can be a little more direct in how we present it. The Separatist Illithidae are essentially are foreign nation, one we actually share a border with. Thoughts?

[X] Plan for Integration
-[X] "To think that we who are so alien in nature could have so much in common. I have lost track of how often either I, or an intermediary speaking in my name, have opened negotiations with little trust between myself and the one to whom I spoke. Yet, from these first hesitant bargains, an empire was forged. Three times before have I struck such bargains with denizens of the Far Realm in good faith, and from those meetings I count fair transactions, an honest ally, and truest friend, respectively. Because of these experiences I know that if the interest of our peoples are to remain inimical, that will be a path we have chosen to walk rather than one forced upon us by our divergent natures.
-[X] "As King, I have a duty to my people. I will see them protected from predation, but I know my reach is currently limited. Therefore, I seek an alliance against a common foe."
-[X] Terms and conditions (the Separatists can pick as many as they will agree to):
--[X] Non-aggression pact. The Separatists will not raid any land's under the Imperium's protection. In return, the Imperium will not actively seek out and destroy any Separatist holdings. Frame this as extending the terms of the treaty we have with the Loyalists to the Separatist, though we would not allow them to tear the spirit of the agreement to tatters as the Loyalists have done.
--[X] Ethical food sources. Requires the acceptance of a non-aggression pact. Separatists agree to limit their feeding on thinking beings in lands outside of Imperial protection to what is strictly necessary. We'd work towards providing Rings of Sustenance to eliminate that necessity. We also would work to develop alternate forms of nutrition as we know a demand to "never eat naturally again" will break down in the long run.
--[X] Intelligence sharing agreement. Requires both non-aggression pact and ethical food sources. We would begin sharing information about Loyalist operations with an eye towards stymying their efforts.
--[X] Lore sharing agreement. Requires both non-aggression pact and ethical food sources. We would begin offering the trade of mystic lore, negotiated on a case-by-case basis. We are particularly interested in psionics and fleshcraft, and can offer lore, currency, or resources in exchange.
--[X] Joint military operations. Requires non-aggression pact, ethical food sources, and military intelligence. We would begin organizing joint military operations against the Loyalists. This would primarily take the form of them provided intelligence that we could choose to act on without their direct involvement, us providing non-sentient creatures as reinforcement for any raids they may conduct, and collaboration on mystic rituals as necessary.
--[X] Official recognition. If the Separatists agree to all the above, and relationships work out in the long term, the Imperium will officially recognize the Separatists as allies. However, this would require the Separatists outright cease hostility against civilians, even those outside the Imperium's protection, once we find a solution to their nutritional demands.
-[X] If the Separatists agree to at least the non-aggression pact and will consider more, request that they appoint a diplomatic liaison to the Imperium. The liaison(s) would be given a Ring of Sustenance while it remains in the Imperium. Be upfront about keeping them under careful watch, but we would otherwise presume good faith. If negotiations break down for reasons other than the liaison abusing their access to the Imperium, we will allow the liaison to depart in peace. We will swear this before Yss, if they do not trust our word.
Much too much right now. They are currently weighing the chances that we will use this meeting to locate further targets to annihilate, that this offer is genuine and that this offer is genuine, but will draw the Elder Brains attention and get them all annihilated.

Let's give them some time. This is all on the docket for alter, when they are less twitchy.
 
I thought that it was a PrC ? PrCs can't really be trained like weak magelings just yet. They're left for DP to give to exceptional magelings as we meet them (generally, they tend to have not insignificant jobs in some of our more dangerous institutions).

Edit: part of why updating the sheets is long is because I have to go, find and reread stuff like this. I don't remember the details right now, so I could be wrong.
It was a PrC, yes.

There are a few different PrCs that I really want to see minions get through. There was this one, then there was that Sorcerer PrC for some desert-based class that almost everyone was excited about, etc.
 
It was a PrC, yes.

There are a few different PrCs that I really want to see minions get through. There was this one, then there was that Sorcerer PrC for some desert-based class that almost everyone was excited about, etc.
I agree!
But PrCs really are DP's stuff, not the everyday Scholarium stuff. And we do have few level 6 or higher magelings, so this could take a while...
 
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Much too much right now. They are currently weighing the chances that we will use this meeting to locate further targets to annihilate, that this offer is genuine and that this offer is genuine, but will draw the Elder Brains attention and get them all annihilated.

Let's give them some time. This is all on the docket for alter, when they are less twitchy.
Being nebulous about what we want and the extent of an agreement we would accept could be worse on that front. We are in a (relative) position of power insofar as the Separatists are guaranteed to fear the Loyalists even if we don't know for sure what they think of us. Making it known that we might eventually be open to a formal alliance as equals (rather than food) gives them a clear two step program. First, determine if we are being sincere. Second, determine if our aid is actually worthwhile. I don't expect them to them to jump at an alliance right away, but the best way to earn the trust of a bunch of schemers is to let them scheme around our schemes.
 
Y'all are talking about this class right?

Maybe Leila could enter it? Would it be a good idea? Iirc she was learning runelore from Lya
Yeah, that's the one. I'm honestly not sure the direct value it would have for her, though. Fluffwise it'd definitely be neat if she goes all in for runecrafting, though there could be better options out there.
 
You know. My first though upon seeing the doppelganger was. "Wow us curb stomping the Elder Brain really had some unintended side effects."

But that's just guesswork.
 
Benerro and Zherys, as you've probably already been told, are not ideal for pulling out of their duties for anything but a combat action, or something that they could reasonably finish within a week or two, with that being a bit of a stretch already.
And I'm still disagreeing with the notion.
Dont they have the administration to lay their duties over on for only a month?
I think the Devils are far, far more important to deal with than... whatever administrative shite they do usually.

Their porential firepower is too good to miss out on here, imo.
Diana is captain of the Queen Rhaella, so no.
Does that matter? We are teleporting all of the expedition back to the SD at the start of the month, and I'll try to have Driad!Rhaella with us to that one Fey court.
Is captain of the flagship going on a short journey somewhere else a such big deal?

But whatever, I'll see if I can salvage the action in any manner once I have the access to a pc.

Reassign Amrelath to this along with another Mind Dragon.
Do we have to?
I feel like we arent going to have enough firepower in Slavers' Bay otherwise.
Yet dealing with Fey is still about just as important, and, say, Mel is one of the few Researchers we can put on it (requires good knowledge of Fey), so I'm kinda torn when re-assigning.

All other points are taken, thanks a lot for actually reading through.
 
@egoo, please stop trying to cram artillery units into an infiltration group. Slavers Bay is highly unlikely to explode into Pit Fiends at the drop of a hat.
 
I think y'all are overestimating how incapable of subtlety Amy is, but whatever, I'll move him.
It's not that he can't be subtle, but it's definitly not his strenght.

And besides that, he is a mid-level Dispel away from turning into a giant monster right in whatever street he may be in.
That is an inherent weakness to any discrete approach.
 
All the more reason to asymmetrical warfare on him :evil:
[:V]

I think y'all are overestimating how incapable of subtlety Amy is, but whatever, I'll move him.
Take out Zherys and Benerro too. They are not adding anything to that mission except more people who could get noticed. They are skilled at political intrigue, not infiltration and skullduggery.
 
so what is the plan with these rebels again? just make it not our problem and see if we can get something out of it? becouse we have a lot of allies who really don't like them and i don't really know what the plan is here
 
so what is the plan with these rebels again? just make it not our problem and see if we can get something out of it? becouse we have a lot of allies who really don't like them and i don't really know what the plan is here
The slant seems to be convincing them that this group can even be something other than just another bunch of slavers looking to replace the old ones.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Apr 13, 2020 at 7:51 AM, finished with 68 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Plan Trust Building
    -[X] Offer to share knowledge about the bases of the loyalist Illithid and inform them about the locations where you have set up Anti-Illithid defenses. No details on what those defenses are and make it clear that if they get caught, they will be killed, last but not least because we couldn't reliably ID them, but you are offering a fair chance to avoid them to prevent further collateral damage incidents such as Volmark.
    -[X] You are furthermore mainly interested in knowledge. About their operation, their goals, psionics and fleshcrafting mostly. If they are willing to offer any of that, you will hear out what they expect in return.
    -[X] Things you are willing to agree to in turn:
    --[X] Payment in raw materials or planar currency.
    --[X] Some lore in return (non-sensitive only, nothing with military applications).
    --[X] Rings of sustenance to eliminate the need of their members to feed on sentient humanoids, which would make further cooperation more palatable to you and their logistics much easier. You are also interested in creating a mass producible food substitute for Illithidae that has all the flavor and none of the murder of the genuine article, though that is mostly an idle thought at this point due to the lack of detailed knowledge on the Illithid biology. (Hint Hint, Nudge Nudge)
    -[X] You are also open to lend disposable and deniable assets for attacks on loyalist Illithid, though this is most likely not in any way interesting for them right now.
    -[X] After the first round of haggling is done, see where you stand with each other and ponder if additional questions might be in the cards right now.
    [X] Plan for Integration
    -[X] "To think that we who are so alien in nature could have so much in common. I have lost track of how often either I, or an intermediary speaking in my name, have opened negotiations with little trust between myself and the one to whom I spoke. Yet, from these first hesitant bargains, an empire was forged. Three times before have I struck such bargains with denizens of the Far Realm in good faith, and from those meetings I count fair transactions, an honest ally, and truest friend, respectively. Because of these experiences I know that if the interest of our peoples are to remain inimical, that will be a path we have chosen to walk rather than one forced upon us by our divergent natures.
    -[X] "As King, I have a duty to my people. I will see them protected from predation, but I know my reach is currently limited. Therefore, I seek an alliance against a common foe."
    -[X] Terms and conditions (the Separatists can pick as many as they will agree to):
    --[X] Non-aggression pact. The Separatists will not raid any land's under the Imperium's protection. In return, the Imperium will not actively seek out and destroy any Separatist holdings. Frame this as extending the terms of the treaty we have with the Loyalists to the Separatist, though we would not allow them to tear the spirit of the agreement to tatters as the Loyalists have done.
    --[X] Ethical food sources. Requires the acceptance of a non-aggression pact. Separatists agree to limit their feeding on thinking beings in lands outside of Imperial protection to what is strictly necessary. We'd work towards providing Rings of Sustenance to eliminate that necessity. We also would work to develop alternate forms of nutrition as we know a demand to "never eat naturally again" will break down in the long run.
    --[X] Intelligence sharing agreement. Requires both non-aggression pact and ethical food sources. We would begin sharing information about Loyalist operations with an eye towards stymying their efforts.
    --[X] Lore sharing agreement. Requires both non-aggression pact and ethical food sources. We would begin offering the trade of mystic lore, negotiated on a case-by-case basis. We are particularly interested in psionics and fleshcraft, and can offer lore, currency, or resources in exchange.
    --[X] Joint military operations. Requires non-aggression pact, ethical food sources, and military intelligence. We would begin organizing joint military operations against the Loyalists. This would primarily take the form of them provided intelligence that we could choose to act on without their direct involvement, us providing non-sentient creatures as reinforcement for any raids they may conduct, and collaboration on mystic rituals as necessary.
    --[X] Official recognition. If the Separatists agree to all the above, and relationships work out in the long term, the Imperium will officially recognize the Separatists as allies. However, this would require the Separatists outright cease hostility against civilians, even those outside the Imperium's protection, once we find a solution to their nutritional demands.
    -[X] If the Separatists agree to at least the non-aggression pact and will consider more, request that they appoint a diplomatic liaison to the Imperium. The liaison(s) would be given a Ring of Sustenance while it remains in the Imperium. Be upfront about keeping them under careful watch, but we would otherwise presume good faith. If negotiations break down for reasons other than the liaison abusing their access to the Imperium, we will allow the liaison to depart in peace. We will swear this before Yss, if they do not trust our word.
 
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