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I ask again: which law, applicable now at the place she's living / commited the crime, applies here?
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Retroactive application of law is a fun concept. We can just make a law.
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PfE for everyone.
Literally.
Or at least the cheaper version that only protects from Charm/Compulsion, if you don't want to shell out for improved AC and saves.
That makes all these low-level efforts from relative beginners a non-issue.
Would have worked on that Fey-tought Witch in the Reach too, the one who enchanted her household to avoid marriage.
If these schemes take significantly more power or cleverness than they do now, the number of problems goes near zero.
We do not exactly know Doran's laws on the matter, but he propably included one against using enchantments on non-consenting people.
tarrangar
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If I didn't get to do that for the slavers, then you don't get to do it for this girl.
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She's a usurper. Arguably, she's a thief. Furthermore, this place runs on feudal law, which wasn't exactly nicely written down for everyone : if Doran interprets her actions negatively (which he will, because her actions are utterly shocking to the feudal lords who rule the area and dispense justice), she's fucked.
In any case, they probably don't bother with an explicit ban on mind-control because until recently it was either thought impossible, or covered by the existing "kill Witches" religious statute.
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Core of the issue is that this was going on for years. Making it public knowledge now would cause a scandal and a lot of suspicion, including driving people to Daynes way of thinking.
I'm very much inclined to loose the younger sister to a freak Teleport accident and have this be over and done with.
I'm very much inclined to loose the younger sister to a freak Teleport accident and have this be over and done with.
Sure we do, we didn't do it for the slavers because it was more hassle than it is worth. This would be beneficial for us so we can do it. And it doesn't matter, it would be doran doing it, not us.
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I've actually been looking for that chapter right now, to reread it and reread the discussion. Any suggestions for things to type into the search bar?
But we can use this an example of how magic lets you solve magical crime. It would be a scandle, but i am confident we could spin it in a way to seem like magic as a gopd thing. And we can do it at the tourney, with people that are injured being healed in the background to showcase the positive aspect of magic.
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It was partially in an Rhaelle Interlude, so searching for that helps a lot.
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Daynes platform is that mages need guidance from the Seven. Serving him the perfect case to reinforce that line of thinking on a silver platter is a bad idea.
The problem is that this whole mess is easy to divine and there's not a whole lot we can do to cover it up.
We can easily counter that magic needs guidance from law and since the law solved the problem where the seven failed. We have the high ground.
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@DragonParadox, could Yss do a metaphysical cover-up in return for her sacrificing her magic?
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S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
And he can flip that right back around by saying that if the Seven were actively involved with the process we wouldn't have to had gotten involved in the first place and our law is merely putting a bandage on a spiritual wound.
Trust me I come from a long line of people deep in the faith, if you can't make your argument Iron-clad in every way they will put God's will in there somewhere.
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What do you mean by cover-up here?
Merely divination-proof it, or mindwipe the whole matter?
And if not the latter, could anything prevent further talk about it between the concerned parties from coming out? Even a divine act does not activly work forever I think.
Thats easy to counter. If they can't be bothered to involve themselves and solve problem they don't care about them. Everyone know they have angles where were they during this. Or sent people visions lile he is supposed to be devote right. Why didn't he get told of this.
And we don't need to convince him, we need to convince people that might gravitate towards him. Since we are the high lords they would have a bias toward our view point. Especially with the prosperity doran has brought.
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tarrangar
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We can't do that anyway, we aren't in charge of Dorne at the moment, it's still a part of the Seven Kingdoms under Robert, and Doran can't give those reassurances you speak about, without admitting he's sworn to us.
What assurance. He has the three order, he can say they divined that, which they did. We only knew about it after it was handled. He can provide the reassurance that his orders are protecting the lords and such.
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[X] Talk the elder daughter into staying her current course and become an adventurer, then let her talk to her mother
-[X] Help her convince her mother that this is best for her and the second daughter should inherit
-[X] Said second daughter will never speak about this or do anything that stupid again
Again, someone needs to ask the right questions to find out what happened here. Doran had reason to do so, but anyone not the liege of House Toland has significantly less.
Just let the plan succede and be forgotten. If we pull off the final steps with merely mundane diplomacy it could further confuse divination, since Enchantment was not involved in these events and that means Lady Teory did, technically and for divinatory purposes, not secure her succession via magic.
-[X] Help her convince her mother that this is best for her and the second daughter should inherit
-[X] Said second daughter will never speak about this or do anything that stupid again
Again, someone needs to ask the right questions to find out what happened here. Doran had reason to do so, but anyone not the liege of House Toland has significantly less.
Just let the plan succede and be forgotten. If we pull off the final steps with merely mundane diplomacy it could further confuse divination, since Enchantment was not involved in these events and that means Lady Teory did, technically and for divinatory purposes, not secure her succession via magic.
Not really no, a god with some kind of aplicable domain like trickery maybe, but Yss is not really sneaky.
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As expected, @Artemis1992 sees no problem with wandering the world as an adventurer.
I don't see why we can't just find the older sister and Diplomance her into going home. Do we really need to reveal the mind-control? If it's no longer operating, she's just ruled by normal conviction these days, which is definitely something we can beat.
And we don't know what situation she's in. Is she happy? Is she in trouble? We should check!
Arguments we could use in favor of returning home : what if you returned home for a visit (with Teleportation it's possible!), how long do you want to keep wandering, why are you traveling.
tarrangar
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[x] have a talk with both the sisters, find out which of them would make the better Lady, and find out what caused this feud in the first place.
Making a decision without all the facts is suboptimal, so lets find out all the facts, for now we know the sins of the younger daughter, but before making a judgement, I would like to know what drove her to it, from how she spoke, it sounds like her sister was an asshole to her, and that might indicate she wont be a very good Lady.
Making a decision without all the facts is suboptimal, so lets find out all the facts, for now we know the sins of the younger daughter, but before making a judgement, I would like to know what drove her to it, from how she spoke, it sounds like her sister was an asshole to her, and that might indicate she wont be a very good Lady.
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That's what has me stumped. How to punish her, and in an appropriate manner, without causing significant political blowback.
@DragonParadox, what kind of mage is she?