Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Just call him Sandor "Dale" Clegane.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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- a song of ice and fire a sword without a hilt d&d 3.5 dungeons & dragons 100% high octane dragon fuel ave corvidae battle action dragon diplomacy best sister bureaucromancy delicious soul-stuff dragon dreams come true dragon ta'veren greatest uncle hubris is a coward's word in defiance of gods and men mammon's folly mutually assured mage's disjunction qm murderhobo top tier coatl
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- E-Girl Deseret
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- She/Her
Vote:
-Loot Viserys
-Kill the imposter for being a challenge to your charisma and beauty
- Location
- ?????????
No write-in allowed. There is only two choices.
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- Australia
Is it wrong of me to want to resurrect FAegon and his people after all this is done just so we can really drive home what puppets they were?
ryuan
From Zero to Hero!
Yes, because they're all sacrifice fodder.
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- United States
Let's please not resurrect Tiamat cultists.
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- Ohio
We are UN-resurrecting them at the moment.
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- ?????????
In all honesty I hope the Seeker ends up killing JonCon. He is not worthy to die by Richard's blade. Ashara...hmm kill her quickly because fuck clerics.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
I wanna say we waited too long, but did we? I think this fight wouldn't have apocalyptic connotations if we had pursued to the hilt the second time we went after Illyrio, but it definitely would have been just as risky to our personal safety. About the only time I think we could have had a fight where we held a relative advantage is if we abandoned all of the other things distracting us (like trying to be a good ruler and not let our banana republic collapse) we could have went after F!Aegon directly after Tiamat went searching for him.
Varys could have kept that whole thing interesting, and they would have had people like Anu and the handful of mages they had trained or recruited by that point, but we were a pretty well-oiled fighting machine in terms of party synergy around that point.
And at that point we could have resolved this plot-line any number of ways. I mean there's some parallels in that entrance scene depicting Aegon freshly having murdered a mage for power, but that mage was young, honorable and literally just trying to find a place for themselves rather than living the equivalent of being a hedge knight in Yi Ti. And the people Viserys sliced up were generally madmen who had spent months finding new and creative ways to kill people for nothing more than the love of destruction and death, or their patsies who we recently have decided to take a lighter hand with because we can afford to spare more and more effort as we get the resources.
I went into this, by contrast with Lanna and Gerion, who seemingly want to live their lives in peace but are forced into opposition by circumstance (at least that's their view of things), feeling somewhat optimistic that we could flip Aegon. But I bet if we poked around in his head, we'd just find the same simmering madness Tiamat seems to love cultivating in her pawns, just in enough control to be useful but not quite to the point they pose a threat or might unite her servants against her.
Think about the steady downhill slope she carved out for him. Drakes that can only be kept alive by feeding them finite unique items, not even wands that Zherys can buy at the market to keep his immortal body running? Or failing that, mages who provide way more utility than a warbeast ever will? These are all fault-lines to force ones hand into making enemies of people. Getting rid of obstacles to Tiamat's total and complete dominance over everyone and everything. No one would, of those currently organized and united in purpose, countenance working with actual institutions forming on the basis of cutting off your ear to spite your face.
Contrast with how we operate, and we always spend our own resources, rather than making other people pay the price, because while expensive, it is more sustainable in the long term. People will develop stakes by dealing with you because you bring in business, or stability, or protection against mutual enemies, etc.
Then pick out the times where we do pay with blood. They are all strategic resources, also sustainable, none of which provide a boon or reward which must be given active upkeep in more blood. 1:1, equivalent exchange.
And once you get used to having a leaky pipe, you never find the time to buy a new one (God) because no one wants to do business with you anymore.
Back to Lanna and Gerion, but like the Tyrells, like the Tullys, you got all of these people who can see the writing on the walls but for one reason or another are dragging their feet to actually fixing the problem. And then when they get there finally, they are surprised when we tell them to sit and spin, or at best accept our first offer. Contrast that with even the fucking Starks, and you'll notice that concern is more of a personal hangup. You don't see Ned Stark finding anything wrong with how we exert our authority or influence. And we still reached out first because they did us a solid that they don't even realize we know they did us. How meta, right?
So pick a card, Varys never saw the purpose in fighting so hard to protect "useless" people like the Royces or the Brunes, people who give us no real utility beyond the long-term scope of their contributions later on down the road, but... what conceit does Jon Connington have to believe Aegon would be a good ruler beyond delusions of grandeur and love of Rhaegar? What purpose does Aegon have to vie for power other than power itself? A perfect vessel filled with hollow ambitions, who would bleed the world dry for his patron for... for what? Nothing. He has built nothing. He has only destroyed. That is the only thing he has ever done with any of his agency or power.
He is our antithesis. The simplest explanation for Richard's earlier visceral anger is that all of the above is quite obvious. There's only one way this ends. No one tried to talk to us, because no one trusted anyone, except Viserys did. What did Viserys do when he first met Richard?
He told him the truth about his magic. Communication, kills.
Ugh, this whole arc makes me angry but not because I find any fault with the writing. It is consistent with events that have occurred and our own actions which exacerbated the issues (delaying dealing with it, purposefully choosing not to be murderhobo troubleshooters and just beaming around dismantling cults and stuff), but points out the fallacy in our possibly having done so. Tiamat would be on the back-foot. The Devils would instead have stepped up the kind of stakes for their plots, each one foiled being a Listener Scale apocalypse threat.
The Deep Ones would have no organized opposition we didn't outsource at great personal expense. Most of our resources would be kept off-plane because we would not have the sort of gravitas and reputation which staves off most attacks from people these days. It is fear of the unknown, what we are capable of, and disproportionate retribution, which has tapered off wide-scale attacks on us. We would likely have had to take over Westeros with bloody civil war just to get rid of the annoying assassination attempts while being in the middle of delicate counter-espionage against Asmodeus or battling that one murder-boss Tiamat scrounged the resources to summon after we killed the last one, and it never ends.
And because of that we come to the end of every plot chain with a desperate fish at the end of every hook. Aegon drinking the Chromatic Dragon kool-aid. Tywin making pacts with Baator and Lanna and Gerion reluctantly going along because they could not bother to sneak a letter our way. Mace and Olenna trying for a rash gambit to cling onto power instead of making themselves useful enough to gain new influence and trust.
Meanwhile Doran Martell comes to us and makes out like a bandit. I am convinced most of the people who are sheepishly coming over the Narrow Sea only now would have had similar strokes of good fortune if they had come to the table as early as our dispatching the Royal Fleet. That wouldn't have been as early as Doran, but I guarantee you it would have assuaged a lot of those feelings of being left out in the cold.
We even have to be the ones to manage religious turmoil, even though we solve most of the problems plaguing both continents, sometimes personally, fixing shit other people broke or keeping the pests out and removing the source of the problem instead of salving a tumor.
Varys could have kept that whole thing interesting, and they would have had people like Anu and the handful of mages they had trained or recruited by that point, but we were a pretty well-oiled fighting machine in terms of party synergy around that point.
And at that point we could have resolved this plot-line any number of ways. I mean there's some parallels in that entrance scene depicting Aegon freshly having murdered a mage for power, but that mage was young, honorable and literally just trying to find a place for themselves rather than living the equivalent of being a hedge knight in Yi Ti. And the people Viserys sliced up were generally madmen who had spent months finding new and creative ways to kill people for nothing more than the love of destruction and death, or their patsies who we recently have decided to take a lighter hand with because we can afford to spare more and more effort as we get the resources.
I went into this, by contrast with Lanna and Gerion, who seemingly want to live their lives in peace but are forced into opposition by circumstance (at least that's their view of things), feeling somewhat optimistic that we could flip Aegon. But I bet if we poked around in his head, we'd just find the same simmering madness Tiamat seems to love cultivating in her pawns, just in enough control to be useful but not quite to the point they pose a threat or might unite her servants against her.
Think about the steady downhill slope she carved out for him. Drakes that can only be kept alive by feeding them finite unique items, not even wands that Zherys can buy at the market to keep his immortal body running? Or failing that, mages who provide way more utility than a warbeast ever will? These are all fault-lines to force ones hand into making enemies of people. Getting rid of obstacles to Tiamat's total and complete dominance over everyone and everything. No one would, of those currently organized and united in purpose, countenance working with actual institutions forming on the basis of cutting off your ear to spite your face.
Contrast with how we operate, and we always spend our own resources, rather than making other people pay the price, because while expensive, it is more sustainable in the long term. People will develop stakes by dealing with you because you bring in business, or stability, or protection against mutual enemies, etc.
Then pick out the times where we do pay with blood. They are all strategic resources, also sustainable, none of which provide a boon or reward which must be given active upkeep in more blood. 1:1, equivalent exchange.
And once you get used to having a leaky pipe, you never find the time to buy a new one (God) because no one wants to do business with you anymore.
Back to Lanna and Gerion, but like the Tyrells, like the Tullys, you got all of these people who can see the writing on the walls but for one reason or another are dragging their feet to actually fixing the problem. And then when they get there finally, they are surprised when we tell them to sit and spin, or at best accept our first offer. Contrast that with even the fucking Starks, and you'll notice that concern is more of a personal hangup. You don't see Ned Stark finding anything wrong with how we exert our authority or influence. And we still reached out first because they did us a solid that they don't even realize we know they did us. How meta, right?
So pick a card, Varys never saw the purpose in fighting so hard to protect "useless" people like the Royces or the Brunes, people who give us no real utility beyond the long-term scope of their contributions later on down the road, but... what conceit does Jon Connington have to believe Aegon would be a good ruler beyond delusions of grandeur and love of Rhaegar? What purpose does Aegon have to vie for power other than power itself? A perfect vessel filled with hollow ambitions, who would bleed the world dry for his patron for... for what? Nothing. He has built nothing. He has only destroyed. That is the only thing he has ever done with any of his agency or power.
He is our antithesis. The simplest explanation for Richard's earlier visceral anger is that all of the above is quite obvious. There's only one way this ends. No one tried to talk to us, because no one trusted anyone, except Viserys did. What did Viserys do when he first met Richard?
He told him the truth about his magic. Communication, kills.
Ugh, this whole arc makes me angry but not because I find any fault with the writing. It is consistent with events that have occurred and our own actions which exacerbated the issues (delaying dealing with it, purposefully choosing not to be murderhobo troubleshooters and just beaming around dismantling cults and stuff), but points out the fallacy in our possibly having done so. Tiamat would be on the back-foot. The Devils would instead have stepped up the kind of stakes for their plots, each one foiled being a Listener Scale apocalypse threat.
The Deep Ones would have no organized opposition we didn't outsource at great personal expense. Most of our resources would be kept off-plane because we would not have the sort of gravitas and reputation which staves off most attacks from people these days. It is fear of the unknown, what we are capable of, and disproportionate retribution, which has tapered off wide-scale attacks on us. We would likely have had to take over Westeros with bloody civil war just to get rid of the annoying assassination attempts while being in the middle of delicate counter-espionage against Asmodeus or battling that one murder-boss Tiamat scrounged the resources to summon after we killed the last one, and it never ends.
And because of that we come to the end of every plot chain with a desperate fish at the end of every hook. Aegon drinking the Chromatic Dragon kool-aid. Tywin making pacts with Baator and Lanna and Gerion reluctantly going along because they could not bother to sneak a letter our way. Mace and Olenna trying for a rash gambit to cling onto power instead of making themselves useful enough to gain new influence and trust.
Meanwhile Doran Martell comes to us and makes out like a bandit. I am convinced most of the people who are sheepishly coming over the Narrow Sea only now would have had similar strokes of good fortune if they had come to the table as early as our dispatching the Royal Fleet. That wouldn't have been as early as Doran, but I guarantee you it would have assuaged a lot of those feelings of being left out in the cold.
We even have to be the ones to manage religious turmoil, even though we solve most of the problems plaguing both continents, sometimes personally, fixing shit other people broke or keeping the pests out and removing the source of the problem instead of salving a tumor.
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- Germany
Minor note, Zherys' own magic is easily enough to sustain him. He can just sacrifice a low-level spell every evening or so.
The only potential problem is his healing if he gets wounded in battle, and I think that's quite rare for him.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
As for FAegons reason for power is very simple. He thinks it's his by right. Jon and Ashara seem to believe FAegon is actually Rhaegars son with FAegon believing he is as well. They pretty much see him as the Hero of the story while Viserys and Dany are the evil uncle and aunt trying to steal the Throne. Many times in history of uncle's doing that. Stupid of them to not try and figure out what motivates Viserys or why he is doing certain things. Like Jon just not even thinking of talking with Viserys for if nothing else because Viserys and Dany are Rhaegars siblings. Wouldn't be surprised if Ashara or FAegon didn't even know Elia and Rhaenys are alive.
- Location
- Brazil
It just struck me that I can't recall the original Tor's class. Did we ever find out?
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- United States
We did. He was some kind of blood-drinker, a knock-off vampire type thing.
- Location
- Germany
We did, but it was some third-party content that nobody can find anymore, so the details are and remain unknown.
I still have the book if you guys want to see the original inspiration, though the custom write up of the class has unfortunately been lost to PC troubles.
On another note since no one seemed to be upset at the non-sequitur the last time here's an interesting fanfic I just finished (it is actually complete for a wonder):
Things in Common
It's a Harry Potter AU with the PoD of Ginny Weaselly being resentful of her family's poverty her father's job and thus his obsession with Muggles. Thankfully for her there's another person more than willing to commiserate with her over both points... his name is Tom and he lives in a diary.
This is to me one of those rare fics that manages to have a villain protagonist without either constantly making excuses or making them so vile and unlikable that they turn into a caricature. Everyone is IC and consistent and one can never be quite sure how things are going to work out until the end. I have to admit a bit of a personal bias for Diary Tom Riddle. I've always found him the most compelling vilain in the whole series because he is so insidious as opposed to No Nose McSnake Pants. If only his plan was not to release a giant snake in a school.
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- Ohio
I used to, and still do, picture book!Voldelamort as a snake guy, with a snake head and fully scaled.
To be fair, that worked for us. We have a snake running a school and getting along with phoenixes.
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- Philippines
British Actor!
vs
Confused Sorcerer King!
Begin!
(Rap music background)
Viserys: Wtf?!
Pot calls the kettle black.
[X] Goldfish
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Zherys also has Undying Vigor of the Dragonlords as one of his 5th level spells, which allows him to use Arcane spells to heal himself in a pinch. It's basically a more efficient means of using his own spell slots to heal rather than pumping raw magic into his veins, at the minimum cost of a 5th level spell slot.
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- The Netherlands
so random question just becouse we don't see them oftain. how are our wards? how are Ylissa, Kyla, jorel, the changeling babies, Reva, Liset, sam, Shara's siblings and that one kid who is decendent of the previous ghost of Richards armour, i would include Garins kids but they are like a month old.
man we have a lot of children in our care.
man we have a lot of children in our care.
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- United States
Learning magic, getting educated, having fun exploring Sorcerer's Deep and the Shadow Tower, socializing with each other, begging for chocolate, etc.
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- The Netherlands
i know kinda what they are doing i'm just wondering how it's all going. like Ylissa and Kyla (was it kyla idr) are training for the inquisition sam is learning magic, reva and liset are training as green seers i'm just wondering how it is all going. what is their progress like, what personality traits have the changelings developed ect
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- France
I love the changeling babies. Those were adorable!
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Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
This is a good spell for Zherys, under the context that healing for him is really tough in a combat situation, but it's a bad spell from a healing perspective once you're at the higher levels. Most of the big name ones clear away ailments and debuffs while also healing more HP. Though the fact that he has something which can fill the gap at all is amazing.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Yeah, it is a big help for him, considering that as a Sorcerer he has plenty of spell slots to burn to heal himself out of combat, but in combat situations it's still pretty far from ideal.
His situation really benefits from making use of the False Life and Heart of Earth spells constantly. So long as they're active, he has 40+1d10 Temp HP to serve as a buffer between him and real damage. That's good for anyone, of course, but doubly so for him.