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Ahh loot preservation...carry on.
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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Ahh loot preservation...carry on.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
It's a secondary objective of course, but I would prefer for those Whalers loot, not to end up lost to the bottomless sea of flame.
Crake
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tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
So do I have support for my plan to make pod guardian teams consisting of, 1 Anaconda, 5 burning bloodsharks, and 1 of Goldfish's Dolphins?
We still need to finalize the Anaconda of course, but I would like to know if people even like my plans for what creatures to use, before I keep on refining it.
Edit. Actually we should probably replace at least some of the Bloodsharks with further Dolphins, I just noted that Dolphins are social creatures, I doubt they will like being the only Dolphin around.
We still need to finalize the Anaconda of course, but I would like to know if people even like my plans for what creatures to use, before I keep on refining it.
Edit. Actually we should probably replace at least some of the Bloodsharks with further Dolphins, I just noted that Dolphins are social creatures, I doubt they will like being the only Dolphin around.
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I like it. We get a passive source of income from them and any ships that we might be able to just take. I am in support of it.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Nice to know I have support.
Also unrelated, I can't find a link to the bloodsharks, I trust that when both Goldfish and Azel recommend them they're good, but I would like to actually see them.
Crake
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Goldfish
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Anacondas are not great combatants, IMO. Your defense strategy shouldn't revolve around constricting or capsizing an enemy ship. That just leaves you ill-prepared when whalers in flying ships show up. If you can wait until after I get home, I'll try to come up with something more useful for you.
@Azel suggested a better alternative to the Dolphins, too, which I agree with. Sorcerer Creature Half-Dragon Snapdragon Leshys with some extra HD added are really good CR 10 options.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Oh Bloodsharks are undead, I'm not sure what to think about that, on one hand it mean I can redo my calculations all over again, as with how much cheaper undeads are to make, it would be robbery to charge full price for them(we can make 5 Bloodsharks, for the cost of 1 living CR10 creature) on the other hand I'm not sure if the Fire Whales are okay with undead.
If you can come up with something better then certainly, it's not like we need to have this today anyway so no rush, and if you say the Snapdragon Leshys are better, then I will believe you.
@Azel what's the cost of your burning Bloodsharks? I just noticed they were undeads not Forge creatures, so I need to redo my math, to see what we will be charging the Fire Whales.
The base Bloodsharks cost a 5th of what a living CR10 creature do, I'm assuming adding burning increase the cost, but I need to know how much.
I'm okay with upping our profit margins when we sell undead, but charging 5 times as much is over the top.
Crake
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They're basically armor-plated tanks. They don't really resemble your typical undead.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Yeah still we need to sound the Fire Whales out, they're rich enough that they can afford being picky, so if they don't want undead we can get them something else, it will just cost more.
Crake
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IMO a regular necromancer's work is basically like desecrating the grave of someone without permission and sticking a leaky nuclear reactor onto it to top it all off and then insisting that everyone everywhere should also run on nuclear reactors because nuclear power is AWESOME.
Our Necrocrafts/Soulforged Undead are basically production models not thrown together by an deranged idiot, and though there's a nuclear reactor inside it isn't leaking all that delicious radiation everywhere, and we also don't insist nuclear power is better (it's just cheap in large amounts).
I'm sure some people *cough* might disagree with that assessment but since when did we care for their opinions?
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Yeah and we should certainly propose the Bloodsharks to the Fire Whales, and tell them how safe they are compared to normal undeads, but the customer is always right(when it come to choosing what to buy at least) so if they don't want undead guardians, they will just have to pay for living guardians.IMO a regular necromancer's work is basically like desecrating the grave of someone without permission and sticking a leaky nuclear reactor onto it to top it all off and then insisting that everyone everywhere should also run on nuclear reactors because nuclear power is AWESOME.
Our Necrocrafts/Soulforged Undead are basically production models not thrown together by an deranged idiot, and though there's a nuclear reactor inside it isn't leaking all that delicious radiation everywhere, and we also don't insist nuclear power is better (it's just cheap in large amounts).
I'm sure some people *cough* might disagree with that assessment but since when did we care for their opinions?
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@tarrangar, the Burning Bloodsharks would cost 1,035 IM a piece to create.
Also, aren't Firewhales INT 7 or so? I don't see them having huge philosophical hangups about undead.
Also, aren't Firewhales INT 7 or so? I don't see them having huge philosophical hangups about undead.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
They're low INT creatures yes, but they're high WIS creatures, so they might very well be philosophical, although being Plane of Fire Native nomads, they might have no hangups about undead, simply because they have never encountered undeads.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
With how cheap I just learned Bloodsharks are, a pod can easily afford a CR15 protector as well, so I'm thinking 1 of Azel's Snapdragons, 5 Bloodsharks, and whatever CR15 creature we decide will work best, this is enough force that they will be able to not just depend the pods, but when facing singular Whalers, they will be able to kill and loot them, making the sea of fire safer for all whales, and netting us some nice extra loot.
Interlude DCCIV: The Queen Who Never Was
The Queen Who Never Was
Sixth Day of the Twelfth Month 293 AC
Elia Martell shut the book with a heavy snap and instinctively pushed it way almost as though she was afraid the plain leather cover would transfigure itself into some scuttling thing and leap upon her. A pity she could not kill memories as easily as monsters. She would not forget what she had learned over these past few weeks. She couldn't.
Being the sister of a prince, the wife of another and now at last the goodsister of a king opened many doors. She glanced down at the simple silver rings that held, to her understanding, one of the most powerful wards one could make into an enchantment. The knowledge of all the hidden horrors of the world was as safe in her head as they were in the restricted section of the library, safer than in the heads of the lords the king had already warned that they might have some hope of recognizing the hand of dark powers before it devoured them all. Part of her wished she had never embarked upon learning so much, but that voice was easily silenced. For Rhaenys' sake she had to understand, her daughter was a part of the tale of this age and nothing Elia could do would change it.
Above all other doubts and fears a single question rose. Were you right Rhaegar in some twisted way, did you see something the rest of us were blind to? Elia had never paid much attention to the dusty scrolls her husband used to read deep into the night, never put much stock in prophecy or magic. Now here she was, a woman brought back to life by sorcery, mother of a child who dreamed of dragons and fire. Had he dreamed of it too, was there something I could have done, something I could have said all those years ago to keep him from his mad course?
The airy reading room with the golden afternoon sun peering through the tall Myrish glass window could not have been more different from the rooms she had been kept a prisoner in those final months in the Red Keep, when the only thing more terrifying than the rebels gathering outside was the monstrous old man on the Iron Throne, yet these were questions she had asked herself then too. If she could have borne Rhaegar one more child, if she had paid more attention, if she had talked to him more after Harrenhal... At the end it had been easier to hate him, to blame him, and there was certainly plenty of blame for her husband to bear and hatred deserved for his deeds, but she could not keep from wondering...
You could find out, the thought was in a way the most frightening one of all. She could walk out this door, buy a cow or ten or however many sacrifices the snake god required and ask him to look on what was, what might have been and tell her.
The princess did indeed walk out the door of the private reading room, but her steps did not lead her out of the keep and into the temple of marble and jade. Instead she knocked upon a familiar door.
"Aunt Elia, come in," Tyene greeted her with a smile, leading her into a chamber of sky-blue silk and airy poplar furnishings of a sort half-way between Dornish and Essosi designs. "How can I help?"
In another life the notion of asking for advice from a girl of seven and ten, much less one of Oberyn's daughters, would had seemed absurd, but she wanted... she needed answers about magic and it was well known that you could not find magicians more skilled than the Companions even in Sorcerer's Deep.
Elia took a deep breath, uncertain how to articulate the question. No need to watch my words here, she's kin, she admonished herself. Even after almost a year of this new life it was hard to shake off the instinct to watch every word. That was probably a good thing in public, but one had to remember there were people one could unburden oneself to, had to according to her mother's advice years ago, or the weight of things unsaid would break you. "How do you deal with being able to foretell... well not the future, but the past, to know beyond a shadow of a doubt if you made a mistake or not? Is it better to know or not to know?"
"Well shit, isn't this a lighthearted chat," the girl sighed. "Well first off I don't because can't do that on account of not being a god, luckily."
Had the last been a jest, the princess wondered briefly, but shook off the thought. "But you could ask a god, you could see..."
Tyene shook her head. "It's like single points of light illuminating an infinite weave, I could find out if I might have prevented something bad from happening..." From the look in her eyes she had guessed what Elia had not said aloud, enough of it at least. "But not if in preventing it I did not cause something worse. People who are obsessed with prophecy, either fulfilling or averting it, miss the choices right under their noses."
Elia sighed her, shoulders relaxing a little. "Thank you, that will spare me the cost of the cow." As jests went it was rather feeble, but it set them both briefly giggling anyway.
OOC: And here we are, I'm going to to another interlude focusing on Rhaenys soon, but for this one I wanted to focus on how Elia is struggling with her past experiences and starting to heal.
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@tarrangar, how about this;
www.d20pfsrd.com
Orca's are CR 5, 9 HD.
Add +12 Racial HD to push it to 9 CR, then apply the Advanced, Half-Dragon, and Sorcerer Creature templates to round it off at CR 15.
That'll put them at 15th caster level with 7th level spell casting. They wouldn't need the Snapdragon, just a school of Burning Bloodsharks.
I intend to have us order some Druid Creature versions for our aquatic forces.
Cetacean, Orca (Killer Whale) – d20PFSRD
www.d20pfsrd.com
Orca's are CR 5, 9 HD.
Add +12 Racial HD to push it to 9 CR, then apply the Advanced, Half-Dragon, and Sorcerer Creature templates to round it off at CR 15.
That'll put them at 15th caster level with 7th level spell casting. They wouldn't need the Snapdragon, just a school of Burning Bloodsharks.
I intend to have us order some Druid Creature versions for our aquatic forces.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Sound good, though we might as well add a few low CR looters to things, there's no sense in just letting perfectly good loot sink.@tarrangar, how about this;
Cetacean, Orca (Killer Whale) – d20PFSRD
Orca's are CR 5, 9 HD.
Add +12 Racial HD to push it to 9 CR, then apply the Advanced, Half-Dragon, and Sorcerer Creature templates to round it off at CR 15.
That'll put them at 15th caster level with 7th level spell casting. They wouldn't need the Snapdragon, just a school of Burning Bloodsharks.
I intend to have us order some Druid Creature versions for our aquatic forces.
An Orca and 10 Bloodsharks, should be able to sink most any Whalers, but they aren't all that great for looting the corpses, and while that's not hugely important, I doubt the Fire Whales will mind having a couple low CR creatures travel with them, whose job it is to recover anything valuable from defeated Whalers.
That's not really the heart of Ellia's issue above, she was wondering if there was anything she could have done or said to keep him from going crazy or at lest acting crazy. Back during the war it was 'if I had given him another child would it have stopped him from going for the Stark girl?' Above it was slightly different: "if I paid attention to the damn prophecy and believed him could I have persuaded him to pursue it another way?"
Ultimately the answers don't matter now and she was just torturing herself with it, hence Tyene's answer, reminding her that she should look to the present and the future not the past.