There are good odds of there being another continent across the Sunset Sea TBH, and Sothoryos is truly massive and we've barely uncovered the parts we know of it. There's also Ulthos which might extend into even more landmass further eastward. Planetos is truly massive and we could be playing around in it long before we make our first serious efforts towards colonizing off-world or off-plane.
But there are several areas off-plane that are better known and easier to access for us than the depths of Sothyros for example.
Places where we have known natural treasures, known neighbours and all that.

Just because the back-end of Planetos is geographically closer doesn't mean its the more sensible choice for expansion in the near- to mid future.
 
Mmmm.

Thats actually more than a little too their benefit. Putting a terminous IN the city is a rather gnarly military and economic risk. (Usually trade goods are taxed at a cities walls)

If we put it somewhere outaide the city its far less risky for them and all our goods still have to go through customs.

Idk, maybe im missing a few things, but those are my thoughts.
it doesn't need to be in the city itself, but it needs to be nearby and in a fixed position relative to the city. Remember, the Plane of Water is just that, water, with no sea floor or shallows and coastline. Vialesk is built into a huge piece of rock suspended within the waters of the Plane.

Stable non-attached real estate is going to be hard to come by.
 
it doesn't need to be in the city itself, but it needs to be nearby and in a fixed position relative to the city. Remember, the Plane of Water is just that, water, with no sea floor or shallows and coastline. Vialesk is built into a huge piece of rock suspended within the waters of the Plane.

Stable non-attached real estate is going to be hard to come by.
Permanent demiplane with gates to trade partners?
 
Long as he doesn't pull a "Sir Bearington" on anyone visiting the Wall...
In that case we should wait until after the Fungal Forge gets the CR 15 upgrade so that we can make an Advanced Plant-Imbued Druid Creature Dire Bear with some extra HD. That way it won't only be a rocking mount, but when Jeor isn't in the field it can stand on the Wall and lob spells at the Others like a bossbear.

Well shall name her, Maiden Fair!

That seems like a good assumption, in all honesty. Tacking on more world would just increase the logistics of the quest, and it's not really needed. So much world + planes left.

Moonsong is scheduled to do a circumnavigation after visiting the moon.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 12, 2020 at 2:25 PM, finished with 71 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Seek an audience before the Council of Vialesk, but first try to learn more of the person who crafted the High Quartermaster's prosthetic limbs.
    -[X] Our primary goals for the meeting with the Council will be to attempt to secure a defensive military alliance against Deep Ones and to gauge how receptive they are to allowing us to establish a Planar Terminus in Vialesk, considering how much trade revenue we have already brought to the city and what will likely be coming in the future. Explain that even if they agree, construction wouldn't begin until next month and it wouldn't be ready for operation until the month after that.
    --[X] A Terminus connection would make coming to their aid militarily much easier, and vice versa, should we establish a defensive alliance.
    --[X] We won't lead with this, but we can make them aware that we are going to seek another site for an economic Terminus somewhere on the Plane of Water if they prove reluctant and Viserys doesn't believe doing so will actively damage our relations with Vialesk.
 
Part MMMCCLXXXVI: By Coiling Currents
By Coiling Currents

Third Day of the Twelfth Month 293 AC

You have much to discuss with the council in the hopes of closer ties between your realm and the City of Splendid Waves, but you are not so pressed for time that you cannot follow Lya's curiosity in seeking the smith who could so seamlessly merge living flesh and golemic enchantment, especially with the notion having caught Moonsong's imagination. Probably best to find him yourself rather than leaving the matter to the fey captain...

"I wonder if he can add arms too instead of just replacing them. Imagine having four arms like the Seeker. You would never be caught in a fight without a drawn weapon. Though he would probably struggle to add such things when accounting for wings I imagine..."

Definitely best to find him yourself, you amend, though it is a struggle not to smile at the enthusiasm.

Thus the three of you make your way back to the Serene Shallows to listen for any rumors of the teleriel smith the High Quartermaster had not heard from in eleven star turns, the orbits of Palxina around its axis by which the maridar tell time. More than fifty years, you translate in your head, not good odds of finding the smith after so much time, he could have moved on, retired or died. Even for the long-lived folk one is likely to find in the Inner Spheres that is no small span.

You are rather proud to hear that the currents are alive with news of the Moonchaser's arrival and the beasts she has brought, though granted not as proud as Moonsong who you have to all but physically restrain to keep her from heckling a merrow-blood bard with the shark-skin drum for 'telling the story wrong'.

Though it is hard to judge the time of day by the subtle pulses of silver light seen through the shimmering waters you take lunch as you swim, steamed silverfish. Biting into it you discover the name is not simply proof of a lack of originality in naming the dish but it contains actual silver, about a Star's worth in Westerosi coin. It accounts for all the Xorn milling nearby you suppose, glad Lya had decided to buy a skewer of steamed shrimp instead. You are not sure how well her spell-forged bodies would be able to handle consuming metals.

"Found something," Moonsong calls out from among a gathering of sea-silk draped Xorn chatting cheerfully, their rumbling voices enough to startle a shoal of dog-sized bone-armored fish passing through much to the annoyance of their locathah herder.


Before the irate herdsman can do more than glower and grumble at Moonsong's answering laugh you change directions, heading downwards following the warm currents to the Glass Furnace where the greatest wealth of Vialesk is forged. There amid the clink of glass and the hiss of molten fumes spilling into the water you find a passage through the limestone barely wide enough to fit two tritons or undine swimming side by side, and at its end the light of a small forge glowing deep red of bloodstone and old embers.

The smith Gerlos is a cecaelia, his face lined by work and age both, half his tentacles singed and blackened at the tip though he shows no discomfort from it. Alas, he has no interest in moving to a far off realm away from kith and kin, though he does have an apprentice looking to broaden his horizons and more to the point deepen his pockets. Three thousand marks are enough to persuade him that Sorcerer's Deep is the best place for such travels.

"Do you remember when that was a fortune to us?" Lya asks pensively.

"And how much would you have paid for unseen arcane lore those days?" you ask with a teasing smile.

"More than three thousand marks," she laughs a touch sheepishly.

Lost 3,000 IM

Research Path Open: Enchanted Prosthesis


***​

The bargain done you head back towards the Council's Sphere, the great circular chamber that is the beating heart of Vialesk, where you had arranged to speak today. Constructed after the city threw off the dominion of the brine dragons it is meant to symbolize the unity of the city in the face of the often hostile tides of the Endless Ocean, half submerged in water half open to the air it is a place where any voice in the City of Splendid Waves can be heard. As is often the case in matters of rule ideals to not tell the full tale.

No sooner have you swam past the wards of the sphere, ushered in by courteous but weary maridar guards, that you can taste the water filled with exotic perfumes and alchemical musks whose effects stop just shy of outright enchantment. This is a place for the powerful and especially the wealthy to speak. Thankfully, most of that wealth came from trade and you have brought trade aplenty.

Still, the merchants of Vialesk are doubtlessly weary of summoning another draconic overlord to their proverbial gates.

How do you address the Council's Sphere, the sovereign legislative body of Vialesk?

[] Focus on the profits they can gain, play to those who have already made significant profits through trade with you

[] Concentrate on the military benefits a terminus will bring, the undersea forces you are marshaling

[] Write in


OOC: I thought about making the smith acquisition a vote, but given the small cost that looked like a foregone conclusion.
 
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By Coiling Currents

Third Day of the Twelfth Month 293 AC

You have much to discuss with the council in the hopes of closer ties between your realm and the City of Splendid Waves, but you are not so pressed for time that you cannot follow Lya's curiosity in seeking the smith who could so seamlessly merge living flesh and golemic enchantment, especially with the notion haveing caught Moonsong's imagination. Probably best to find him yourself rather than leaving the matter to the fey captain...

"I wonder if he can add arms, too, instead of just replacing them. Imagine having four arms like the Seeker. You would never be caught in a fight without a drawn weapon. Though he would probably struggle to add such things when accounting for wings I imagine..." rambled Moonsong.

Definitely best to find him yourself, you decide, though it is a struggle not to smile at the enthusiasm.

Thus the three of you make your way back to the Serene Shallows to listen for any rumors of the cecaelia smith the High Quartermaster had not heard spoken of in eleven star turns, the orbits of Palixna around its axis by which the maridar tell time. More than fifty years, you translate in your head. Not good odds of finding the smith after so much time. He could have moved on, retired, or died. Even for the long-lived folk one is likely to find in the Inner Spheres, that is no small span.

You are rather proud to hear that the currents are alive with news of the Moonchaser's arrival and the beasts she has brought, though granted not as proud as Moonsong, who you have to all but physically restrain to keep her from heckling a merrow-blood bard with the shark-skin drum for 'telling the story wrong'.

Although it is hard to judge the time of day by the subtle pulses of silver light seen through the shimmering waters, you take lunch as you swim, enjoying steamed silverfish. Biting into it, you discover the name is not simply proof of a lack of originality in naming the dish, but that it contains actual silver, about a Star's worth in Westerosi coin. It accounts for all the Xorn milling nearby you suppose, glad Lya had decided to buy a skewer of steamed shrimp instead. You are not sure how well even her spell-forged bodies would be able to handle consuming metals.

"Found something," Moonsong calls out from among a gathering of sea-silk draped Xorn chatting cheerfully, their rumbling voices enough to startle a shoal of dog-sized bone-armored fish passing through, much to the annoyance of their locathah herder.


Before the irate herdsman can do more than glower and grumble at Moonsong's answering laugh, you change heading downwards, following the warm currents to the Glass Furnace where the greatest wealth of Vialesk is forged. There amid the clink of glass and the hiss of molten fumes spilling into the water, you find a passage through the limestone barely wide enough to fit two Tritons or Undine swimming side by side, and at its end the light of a small forge glowing deep red of bloodstone and old embers.

The smith Gerlos is a cecaelia, his face lined by work and age both, half his tentacles singed and blackened at the tip, though he shows no discomfort from it. Alas, he has no interest in moving to a far off realm away from kith and kin. He does, however, have an apprentice looking to broaden his horizons and, more to the point, deepen his pockets. Three thousand marks are enough to persuade him that Sorcerer's Deep is the best place for such travels.

"Do you remember when that was a fortune to us?" Lya asks pensively.

"And how much would you have paid for unseen arcane lore in those days?" you ask with a teasing smile.

"More than three thousand marks," she laughs a touch sheepishly.

Lost 3000 IM

Research Path Open: Enchanted Prosthesis


***​

The bargain done, you head back towards the Council's Sphere, the great circular chamber that is the beating heart of Vialesk, where you had arranged to speak today. Constructed after the city threw off the dominion of the Brine Dragons, it is meant to symbolize the unity of the city in the face of the often hostile tides of the Endless Ocean, half submerged in water and half open to the air, it is a place where any voice in the City of Splendid Waves can be heard. As is often the case in matters of rule, ideals do not tell the full tale.

No sooner have you swam past the wards of the sphere, ushered in by courteous but weary maridar guards, that you can taste the water filled with exotic perfumes and alchemical musk whose effects stop just shy of outright enchantment. This is a place for the powerful and especially the wealthy to speak. Thankfully, most of that wealth came from trade and you have brought trade aplenty.

Still, the merchants of Vialesk are doubtless wary of summoning another draconic overlord to their proverbial gates.

How do you address the Council's Sphere, the sovereign legislative body of Vialesk?

[] Focus on the profits they can gain, play to those who have already made significant profits though trade with you

[] Concentrate on the military benefits a terminus will bring, the undersea forces you are marshaling

[] Write in


OOC: I thought about making the smith acquisition a vote, but given the small cost that looked like a foregone conclusion. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, @DragonParadox.
 
Regarding the Dire Bear, which I just now heard about, we could make it right now using the Vahana template as a base. It'd be capable of becoming any sort of caster and serve as a mount.
 
Military profits:
...there aren't really any, unless we really push the "The squids will pick off everyone one-by-one"-narrative, and they might just say that they "already drove them out once before" too.

Economically, Planar Termini are amazing: through SD they'll get access to all the goods of Plane of Balance - and direct ways into the Opaline Vault and Armun Kelisk, which are by no means bad markets for them.
Also, theoretically, if we put one at Mrdja and one at Vialesk - both will be able to help each other out.
Theoretically.
That's assuming Mrdja doesn't ever decide to invade through their Terminus, and Vialesk will be reasonably paranoid over such an idea as an "ever-independent city".
From the get-go, Termini may seem like having more minuses than plusses to them :/

And that's before we consider that by drawing them into a defense alliance we aso expose them to the Efreeti war - and are unlikely to be into the idea to join in just yet.

I'm not sure how are we to best approach this.
@DragonParadox, what's the general consensus between the rulers of the city on the state of Deep Ones' threat?
What about their opinions on Efreeti (and the Efreei War as such)?
 
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An idea that I haven't seen outside the construct armor:

Hardened glass visors for the Legions armor.

Most helmets had an awful field of view and you couldn't do much to keep dirt out of your eyes. Like the dust kicked up on an active battlefield.


Now, the glass is nowhere near as good as even basic steel, but it's not supposed to replace the helmet. Just create a viable visor that allows a soldier to protect his eyes from dirt while still providing decent protection and full peripheral vision.



Btw, is concrete known on planetos? Everfire furnaces would make cooking limestone pretty cheap and allow a lot of cheap construction without needing heavy duty magic.
 
@DragonParadox, what's the general consensus between the rulers of the city on the state of Deep Ones' threat?
What about their opinions on Efreeti (and the Efreei War as such)?
  1. Most people think the Deep Ones have been beaten back for at least a matter of centuries, maybe forever
  2. They generally distrust efreeti and both fear and disdain the Brazen Throne, but these are traders not generals, they see no profits in distant wars.
 
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  1. Most people think the Deep Ones have been beaten back for at least a matter of centuries, maybe forever
  2. They generally distrust efreeti and both fear and disdain the Brazen Throne, but these are traders not generals, they see no profits in distant wars.
Perfect.

Then they understand economic rivals, and the implications of us going to open a Terminus in a different city.
 
@egoo @Duesal @DragonParadox Also, the non-inconsiderable influence they would wield among everyone else if they had the sole economic Terminus.

I don't think it's unreasonable to negotiate for the right to open up military passages, perhaps using merely Demiplanes with Gates, though I wouldn't make those permanent either for security reasons.

Neither do I think that we have to sign a deal with trade exclusivity in perpetuity. But we can reasonably negotiate on a long-term timescale. The important part about having any degree of exclusivity is that their rivals can't simply "wait it out" to enjoy the lion's share of the benefits, nor that it will end too soon to really exploit it to its fullest.

@DragonParadox My take on this is that there would be considerable economic benefit if they were the first to have a Terminus, and they could use their own diplomatic contacts they will establish in the other major cities to negotiate for favorable contracts that everyone else will struggle catching up with even if they possessed a Terminal of their own.
 
  1. Most people think the Deep Ones have been beaten back for at least a matter of centuries, maybe forever
  2. They generally distrust efreeti and both fear and disdain the Brazen Throne, but these are traders not generals, they see no profits in distant wars.
Hm.
So we probably should prioritize the "This is bling! Join us to have more of bling!"-trail of thought in our speech here, then.

The military implications of the Terminus should be left well alone, if most of them believe the Deep Ones are well beaten- And we aren't ready to rope them, or any other Marid states for that matter, into the Efreeti war just yet.

Instead, we should note that "Hey, Plane of Balance is even more profitable than what we are letting on so far. We just haven't had a chance to beat back the remains of the illithid threat you expulsed out of here long ago. Help us make sure they don't attack the trade routes, and you will have more profits, too!" and ask for a mutual defense pact, like with Mrdja.
 
@egoo @Duesal @DragonParadox Also, the non-inconsiderable influence they would wield among everyone else if they had the sole economic Terminus.

I don't think it's unreasonable to negotiate for the right to open up military passages, perhaps using merely Demiplanes with Gates, though I wouldn't make those permanent either for security reasons.

Neither do I think that we have to sign a deal with trade exclusivity in perpetuity. But we can reasonably negotiate on a long-term timescale. The important part about having any degree of exclusivity is that their rivals can't simply "wait it out" to enjoy the lion's share of the benefits, nor that it will end too soon to really exploit it to its fullest.

@DragonParadox My take on this is that there would be considerable economic benefit if they were the first to have a Terminus, and they could use their own diplomatic contacts they will establish in the other major cities to negotiate for favorable contracts that everyone else will struggle catching up with even if they possessed a Terminal of their own.
In the end greed shall prevail over the cries of paranoia. :evil:
 
[X] A Layered Proposal
-[X] Established Fact #1: Currently there is considerable profit that Vialesk and the rest of Water are missing out on, contracts they are unable to negotiate for in order to exploit their own resources and trade factors to their fullest. Thus far, you being the arbitrator of any large-scale trade favors you, Viserys Targaryen, the most out of anyone in this arrangement, as you have full control over which goods get shipped in bulk quantities AND control most of the sources for them, either through economic primacy of your own companies and contacts, military supremacy in an area that determines who can ship what and where, or outright exerting your authority on those areas.
-[X] Established Fact #2: Luckily this one-sided arrangement isn't to your liking, neither for your hopes of bringing the scale of trade up to a level which eclipses your own throughput or even interest in enriching yourself through exploiting this market, being perfectly happy to trade more quick wealth for House Targaryen for more influence (and still not inconsiderable wealth). The problem presented is thus...
-[X] Established Fact #3: Whoever be so the first to gain a Trade Terminus will thereby wield immense influence among their neighbors and be able to use that influence to purchase favor in any number of things, military, economic or industrial. The ways their diplomats could exploit possession of this asset to help their allies exploit their own resources to the fullest, or hinder their rivals, can not be understated, and won't be, seeing as how you are trying to convince them of the merits of the proposal.
-[X] Established Fact #4: While the fears of you exerting military power through the Terminus was cited as a concern, that is the least of your plans for the very reason that you also possess trade terminals with allies who you would in turn be one to hold concern about unwarranted breaches of Imperial sovereignty being imposed through use of force. Viserys Targaryen has no intention of violating the sovereignty of Vialesk, for the mutual prosperity of the Imperium's friends and contacts is borne through the use of economic stimulus, negotiation and cultural exchanges, not violence borne of greed or malice. To violate this ethos would be the same as inviting it in turn on his own lands by those who might have instead come in peace.
-[X] Established Fact #5: Not to say you would be opposed to military alliance, with Vialesk or other Maridar realms, by virtue of the fact that at any time, the wealth and benefits from this trade web could collapse if it is predated upon by unholy powers such as the Deep Ones, or others who would like to see such relations crash and burn. Moreover, it is obvious that Vialesk is equally benefited by their destruction and equally threatened should we fail to make progress against them in turn. The understatement of the Deep Ones' power projection capabilities is to the detriment of Vialesk's safety and security. They are completely capable of waging full-scale war even now, and will return, possibly within those on this current Council's lifetime.
-[X] "In short, I propose that surveyors and diplomats sent by this august body come to my realm, to ascertain that the numbers in the reports which I have provided to you are both accurate and that the stated benefits would come to pass. Furthermore, I invite you to join a defense pact with the Crown and their allies against specific threats which we all share, ones that threaten not only the livelihood and safety of our citizens, but our very ways of life."
 
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[X] Crake
Hah! And just as I was going to make a "*pokes the speechwriters with a stick*"-joke!
:V

Seriously though, thanks for the write-up, this is seriously one of the places we'll need the bonus.
 
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