Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

@Spectral Waltz
Tossing away the ability to summon a powerful kaiju to fight for, with, and to protect you for what amounts to a stronger shield is not practical.
It's shortsighted.
 
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Tossing away the ability to summon a powerful kaiju to fight for, with, and to protect you for what amounts to a stronger shield is not practical.
It's shortsighted.

Thats a painfully misleading intepretation to say the least. Missy's an AA-Rank mage, she's got the capability to have Breaker tier spells whatever device we give.

What you're really doing is picking the ability to summon a powerful Kaiju over..... the ability to personally wield a city-busting Nuke? (Intelligent Device / Nanoha Standard), or whatever terrifying equivalent melee gets. (Seriously, whats a Melee Breaker look like to equal Starlight or Ragnarok?!)

And for anything less than a Giant Monster Fight .... you get the lovely trouble of always deciding when a particular Godzilla Threshold has been crossed, because summons take up a lot of space and do a lot of scenery damage compared to the more preceise application of force delivered by a (flaming plasma) blade.
 
Thats a painfully misleading intepretation to say the least. Missy's an AA-Rank mage, she's got the capability to have Breaker tier spells whatever device we give.

What you're really doing is picking the ability to summon a powerful Kaiju over..... the ability to personally wield a city-busting Nuke? (Intelligent Device / Nanoha Standard), or whatever terrifying equivalent melee gets. (Seriously, whats a Melee Breaker look like to equal Starlight or Ragnarok?!)

And for anything less than a Giant Monster Fight .... you get the lovely trouble of always deciding when a particular Godzilla Threshold has been crossed, because summons take up a lot of space and do a lot of scenery damage compared to the more preceise application of force delivered by a (flaming plasma) blade.
It is an appropriate comparison though. The difference between choosing an Armed device over a Boost one is losing the ability to use giant/champion summons in exchange for knight armour and free cartridges. The comparison was never talking about the ability to use Breakers.

And for smaller battles, a boost device still has summons which are stronger than the swarm one but smaller than the giant ones so we would use those in that situation.
 
@Racoras
Walts was specifically mentioning the shield as their reasoning, and calling summons unpractical. All the devices have upsides and downsides, I'm not denying that, but saying everyone hates the idea of Missy being able to take a hit because they personally prefer Armed over Boost is uncalled for.

Anything sufficiently powerful will cause collateral, and not all summons need be giant.
Plus if you look at team composition, you have Taylor for Intelligent, Kayleigh for Storage, Missy for Boost, and Laura for Armed. As a team they would cover each others weaknesses and bring something different and important to the group.
 
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Also I'd note that a buff oriented Summoner's familiar can duel a peer Knight on par in combat. And their Breaker Summon...well, buff those up and you have a raidboss.

The main drawback of Summoner is the Master Problem: if they don't have a keen tactical mind its entirely possible to wind up out of position and exposed to enemy attacks to take down the much easier to defeat Summoner over their 2-3 support units.
 
Here is Vita's strongest attack:

Fate can do something similar with her energy sword, but it doesn't get that big.
This is of course not an attack that would ever need forthought or worrying about the Godzilla Threshold, as it would never deal excessive collateral damage, no siree.
 
This is of course not an attack that would ever need forthought or worrying about the Godzilla Threshold, as it would never deal excessive collateral damage, no siree.
Actually theres a stronger version of it, but we don't get to see it in full action. The Plus Ultra version adds a rocket booster and a drill. Vita uses it to break the Cradle's reactor through a bajillion layers of antimagic shields.
 
[X] (Boost Device) Full Naruto

Strike Boost – Serums can be produced that increase physical strength or speed. This synergizes with parahuman superstrength, superspeed, and touch-based powers. Effect lasts 5 minutes. With Mutagenics skill, a serum to provide this enhancement permanently can be produced that would create only minor mutations.

think she would be up for a speed mutagen? then missy go really fast
 
Full naruto with a sonic jacket, blitz action, speed serum for a panic button.

Missy go nyoom.

I dear say shell enjoy it too. Speed can be one hell of a rush. :cool:
 
Hmm...would it be possible to summon creatures specialized for various tasks? Such as transporting individuals or large groups of people quickly or support capabilities as opposed to direct combat abilities? Or would that be accomplished via creative use of the already existing Summon spells?
I would imagine it depends on investment like most things. Lut seems to have mostly focused on her summoning, while Caro was focused on support magic. So Lut has a dozen different kinds of summon while Caro only uses two.

Or it may be a limitation on type. Insects obviously come in lots of specialized forms. Maybe dragons dont have much between 'shoulder dragon', 'eragon' and 'bahamut'?
Some of it will be summon "species" restriction, and some of it will be what Missy chooses to specialize in. Missy's species are all fairly in-your-face types when it comes to combat, so they themselves will not be able to do support casting. For transportation purposes, sure, just have people climb on one of the siege levels.

It's also mentioned in canon that summoners are almost by definition masters of different transport magics, so we could further explore that too.
Quick question. Blitz Action vs. Sprint from the spells list. Would you describe Blitz as speeding up a mage's physical abilities (movement and aiming) whereas Sprint would speed up a mage's mental abilities (reflexes and prepping magic for spells). So a powerful Blitz Action could have a mage's body move faster than their mind could anticipate and a powerful Sprint could leave the mage's body barely moving from their own perspective?
Sprint is basically a self-directed Crescendo. It directly speeds up the flow of time for the caster, making them think AND move faster. I was pulling spells from the different templates, and that one comes on Extinction Knight. What makes it so nasty is that there is nothing stopping you from combining Sprint and Blitz Action.
Well, since armed device winning is pretty much impossible because people hate the idea of Missy actually being able to take a hit, guess I'll switch to the least bad option remaining.
Probably not much of a salve, but at least with Full Naruto Missy has more protection than she did when she was engaged in hit-and-run fighting back in Brockton Bay; i.e., nothing at all. Keep in mind that she did go hand-to-hand with HOOKWOLF of all people in canon.
And for anything less than a Giant Monster Fight .... you get the lovely trouble of always deciding when a particular Godzilla Threshold has been crossed, because summons take up a lot of space and do a lot of scenery damage compared to the more preceise application of force delivered by a (flaming plasma) blade.
Oh, no no no. Don't try saying this. ALL Breaker equivalents, whether they be bombardment, melee, or summons, are going to be hell on their surroundings. There is no "precise application of force"; any Breaker is going to be "fuck up everything in that general direction". If you think going Armed Device Breaker is SAFER of all things, you're dead wrong.
Full naruto with a sonic jacket, blitz action, speed serum for a panic button.

Missy go nyoom.

I dear say shell enjoy it too. Speed can be one hell of a rush. :cool:
Just don't make her go too fast or she might leave rainbows in her wake :p
 
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Wait... Do the serums and mutant powers stack?
Serums and mutations don't stack because they're technically the same thing, one is just permanent while the other is temporary.

HOWEVER, a Strike Boost serum/mutation, the Strike Boost spell, Crescendo/Sprint, Blitz Action, and a haste-mode Barrier Jacket WILL stack because they're all different ways to make people faster.

'Course that being said, you'd probably get to do that all of once before the other characters complain that Missy didn't leave any baddies for the rest of them.
 
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