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They're still part of the economy, earning a wage, paying expenses, buying food, etc.you might still want to tax them, so they can feel they are citizens instead of a burden.
I don't think that token taxes should be levied against the people for which each coin is worth the most. Even if the actual cash value of that 1% goes down the significance of it to the people we're taking from goes up.you might still want to tax them, so they can feel they are citizens instead of a burden.
And how exactly would it do that, again?Have a vote on how to stop rampant magitech from crashing huge swathes of our economy
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The income tax cap at 50%?@Goldfish your adjusted plan is based on some very very wrong assumptions by @Abhishek M and @BronzeTongue.
I'm currently writing a big reply post to everyone (just woke up). Please wait a minute before calling the vote.
Regarding the "savings account" : literally no rich person keeps their money in a savings account. Not only are there caps on how much money you can put on a normal savings account, but financially it just doesn't make sense at all. There are endless investments with low returns (1-3%) and literally zero risk if you can pay up a few hundred thousand USD to get in. That's how the housing market works for investors in cities like Paris. And I say zero risk because the individual investor isn't the one who takes the risk anymore in this kind of low-return, high-security housing investment. The exception here is if there's a major financial crisis and shit really really hits the fan, but in these circumstances savings accounts go down too, so...I'm taking it from the optic of the guy who doesn't take risks and just wants to enjoy their wealth. But I guess that if you are rich you gotta take some risks.
You mean the property tax and income tax?Anyway, you have to make it explicit that this wealth tax is deductible from the income tax. It distorts the math if you don't.
Current IRL income tax are historically low.That 95% Income Tax is excessive. There is a reason the highest income tax rate in the world still isnt too much over 50%. After a certain point it just stifles product more than it helps boost revenue.
I'd say a ceiling of 50-55% is the most and after that just keep it that way. Especially since you will not be leaving dividends and interest untaxed. Not to mention anyone making that kind of money is pretty much a party member or a dragon and will get exemptions anyway.
Dragon hoards are property, not income, so he should be fine.You try and charge Amrelath a 95% tax and there will be a dead dragon.
Correct.While I wouldn't mind capping it at 50% or 60%, from what I assumed the Income Tax would only apply to the proceeds of money earned via work, returns on investments, etc.
Stuff he earns adventuring would be property and subject to the 1% property tax.
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This is a valid point (I didn't acknowledge it in your earlier quote, but it is good).And you think Amrelath isnt gonna invest after we drilled that into his head? Besides the 50% isnt just for him. After a certain point it really does just incentivize letting your capital stay idle instead of letting it flow.
Afterall what's the incentive for an Archmage to spend a couple more weeks on another comission if he will only get to keep 5% of that money? People being incentivized to work is pretty important in a setting where the greatest money earner is magic.
Absolutely not. Google medieval Tithes : 20% literally means reducing taxes for almost everyone! And no taxes beneath the median? No mandatory religious tithes? That's amazing!Drop the Imperial Median tax rate to 10-15% 20 is a bit much for barely middle class that would be the bare median. You run into the problem of losing a fifth of your income for earning a silver more and problems like that. And maybe a ceremonial 1% for those below the median. Median isnt a sudden dip to poverty line afterall.
Just for purposes of participation. Maybe 1, 10, 15 ,25, 35, etc works better.
That's incredibly low though.
tax foundation said:The top marginal tax rate in 1960 was 91%, which applied to income over $200,000 (for single filers) or $400,000 (for married filers) – thresholds which correspond to approximately $1.5 million and $3 million, respectively, in today's dollars.
And it was full of so many exceptions that the only ones it effectively applied to were the 'new' rich. It was in effect a stratitification tax. Something used to keep a separation of entry to the higher levels from something as 'base's as income. 91% on Income not on investment. A hugely unpopular policy that mostly affected new income earners and not investors.That's incredibly low though.
Here's some data about the 1960s USA, during a time of significant economic growth, investment and progress :
In any case, I'll also remind you that our income tax brackets are very, very high. Much higher than IRL tax brackets! These taxes aren't going after the rich, they're going after people who make one thousand times the median income.Reminder said:As a reminder, here's what happens if things are uncapped :
I am a rich Essosi Magister who controls a significant amount of land and trade in the disputed lands. I invest a massive pile of wealth into low-return, high-security investments. Say, 1% return guaranteed (this could be housing, land near an expanding metropolis, whatever). Every 100 years, I double my holdings. Meanwhile I'm still running my main businesses, but I'm also accumulating enormous influence as a landowner. This means I'm permanently grabbing a forever larger market share, keeping all newcomers out and getting ever more influence with which to further my main business and/or political goals. And I won't be the only one doing this!
This is just the simplest way (no complicated investments, little diversification, no web of contacts and debtors or whatever) and yet it's already a theoretical long-term problem. It's simplistic, but its a showcase of the issue.
And that's why we have a soft-cap in our tax system.
Although on second thoughts, the median income is currently very low (it's what, 50IM a year? Something like that? @DragonParadox, do you have any economic notes about that?). ACSEC as a whole makes slightly under 300 000 IM a month, so 3,6 million IM a year. It's one of the most insanely huge corporations in the setting, AFAIK. And the cap (+1,000,000% of the median income, so 500 000 IM) is currently significantly lower.